Coalition provides arms for terrorists

[PhillyKev 0]

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And you seem to overlook what was obviously sarcastic humor even when it was pointed out by Nacmacfeegle.

So, you're finally admitting that the lack of any WMD is proof there weren't any to begin with? I thought you were one of those confused soles trying to claim that we just haven't found them yet. My mistake.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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>Is this your attempt at misdirecting the fact you got faked out by a bogus news story?

Are you really going to claim a story that the Bush administration has admitted is true is fake? Hey, you could try that on the Abu Ghraib prison scandal! Perhaps even the Iraq war. Just claim we actually found WMD's. Credibility problem solved.

I'm saying a story you and the others on this thread were wetting your pants over is bogus. There are so many who are willing to believe anything bad, that you got faked out. Did you know 60 minutes was going to run this story on Sunday Night? There's a real bastion of credibility. That should have tipped you off right there. I saw the story for what it was, a radical, left wing, hit piece on the eve of an election. This tells me just how desperate the Left is. This was nothing but a "win at all costs, Hail Mary, act of desperation by a party that not only is going to lose the election, but you are going to lose a couple of Senate Seats.

[billvon 3,114]

>I'm saying a story you and the others on this thread were wetting your
> pants over is bogus. There are so many who are willing to believe
> anything bad, that you got faked out.

I'm confused on what you're saying here. Are you really claiming that there were no explosives there? We have multiple news reports and interviews confirming that. Or are you claiming they are still there now? Again, you have no evidence whatsoever of that position, and there's plenty of evidence to contradict that statement.

I mean, believe whatever you want, of course. Most FOX viewers believe that we found WMD's in Iraq; they also believed most of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi. It is certainly a nice thing to believe, for them.

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>I'm saying a story you and the others on this thread were wetting your
> pants over is bogus. There are so many who are willing to believe
> anything bad, that you got faked out.

I'm confused on what you're saying here. Are you really claiming that there were no explosives there? We have multiple news reports and interviews confirming that. Or are you claiming they are still there now? Again, you have no evidence whatsoever of that position, and there's plenty of evidence to contradict that statement.

I mean, believe whatever you want, of course. Most FOX viewers believe that we found WMD's in Iraq; they also believed most of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi. It is certainly a nice thing to believe, for them.

I think what I'm saying is pretty clear. Sorry you are having trouble understanding me. Perhaps you need to read it again... slowly this time.

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I mean, believe whatever you want, of course. Most FOX viewers believe that we found WMD's in Iraq; they also believed most of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi. It is certainly a nice thing to believe, for them.

My guess is that you could replace FOX with CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, etc . . . and your statement would still be true.

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[billvon 3,114]

>My guess is that you could replace FOX with CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS,
>MSNBC, etc . . . and your statement would still be true.

True, to some degree.
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WASHINGTON - A majority of Americans have held at least one of three mistaken impressions about the U.S.-led war in Iraq, according to a new study released Thursday, and those misperceptions contributed to much of the popular support for the war.

The three common mistaken impressions are that:

1. U.S. forces found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

2. There's clear evidence that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein worked closely with the Sept. 11 terrorists.

3. People in foreign countries generally either backed the U.S.-led war or were evenly split between supporting and opposing it.

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The analysis released Thursday also correlated the misperceptions with the primary news source of the mistaken respondents. For example, 80 percent of those who said they relied on Fox News and 71 percent of those who said they relied on CBS believed at least one of the three misperceptions.

The comparable figures were 47 percent for those who said they relied most on newspapers and magazines and 23 percent for those who said they relied on PBS or National Public Radio.

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/special_packages/iraq/6918170.htm?1c

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I'm confused on what you're saying here. Are you really claiming that there were no explosives there? We have multiple news reports and interviews confirming that. Or are you claiming they are still there now? Again, you have no evidence whatsoever of that position, and there's plenty of evidence to contradict that statement.

Bill, it's not that tough.

The reporter from NBC, who arrived there when our troops did, said the explosives were already gone. There was nothing for us to secure in this case. The stuff was gone, the seals were broken, before we got to Baghdad. We didn't lose it because it was never possible for us to take possession.

What do you expect could have been done? Get there faster? It's not like out guys were lolly-gagging around on the way there.

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I'm confused on what you're saying here. Are you really claiming that there were no explosives there? We have multiple news reports and interviews confirming that. Or are you claiming they are still there now? Again, you have no evidence whatsoever of that position, and there's plenty of evidence to contradict that statement.

Bill, it's not that tough.

The reporter from NBC, who arrived there when our troops did, said the explosives were already gone. There was nothing for us to secure in this case. The stuff was gone, the seals were broken, before we got to Baghdad. We didn't lose it because it was never possible for us to take possession.

What do you expect could have been done? Get there faster? It's not like out guys were lolly-gagging around on the way there.

Maybe he thinks we should have invaded Iraq sooner than we did. I don't know, he's completely lost me too. Maybe the confusion has something to do with lefties being sucked into believing this whole story and now trying to figure out how to spin and mis-direct their way out of it.

[nacmacfeegle 0]

"Maybe the confusion has something to do with lefties being sucked into believing this whole story and now trying to figure out how to spin and mis-direct their way out of it."

Probably.

Less likely but equally believable, this is a distraction to avert our conspiracy seeking attention from the fact that entire buildings, walls, roofs and contents, previously earmarked for scrutiny, just vanished into thin air.
Lets face it, precision machine tools, laser welders, and stocks of high strength aluminium don't sound as immediately threatening as 380 tonnes of high explosive.
Think about it.

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NBC television reported that one of its correspondents was embedded with the 101st Airborne Division which temporarily took control of the base on 10 April 2003 but did not find any of the explosives.

However, other US outlets, including NBC's own news website, quoted Pentagon officials who said a search of the site after the US-led invasion had revealed the explosives to be intact.

Seems to me that there is still concensus that the weapons were there - or maybe the Pentagon in just plain incompetant and this NBC reporter should replace them?

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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I'm confused on what you're saying here. Are you really claiming that there were no explosives there? We have multiple news reports and interviews confirming that. Or are you claiming they are still there now? Again, you have no evidence whatsoever of that position, and there's plenty of evidence to contradict that statement.

Bill, it's not that tough.

The reporter from NBC, who arrived there when our troops did, said the explosives were already gone. There was nothing for us to secure in this case. The stuff was gone, the seals were broken, before we got to Baghdad. We didn't lose it because it was never possible for us to take possession.

What do you expect could have been done? Get there faster? It's not like out guys were lolly-gagging around on the way there.

The stuff was SECURE until Bush ordered the UN out on the eve of the invasion. The US had been informed that the stuff existed and where it was. I guess it was just lower priority for Bush than grabbing the oil wells.

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[billvon 3,114]

>The reporter from NBC, who arrived there when our troops did, said
> the explosives were already gone.

?? They didn't even search. The reporter you're talking about:

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Amy Robach: And it's still unclear exactly when those explosives disappeared. Here to help shed some light on that question is Lai Ling. She was part of an NBC news crew that traveled to that facility with the 101st Airborne Division back in April of 2003. Lai Ling, can you set the stage for us? What was the situation like when you went into the area?

Lai Ling Jew: When we went into the area, we were actually leaving Karbala and we were initially heading to Baghdad with the 101st Airborne, Second Brigade. The situation in Baghdad, the Third Infantry Division had taken over Baghdad and so they were trying to carve up the area that the 101st Airborne Division would be in charge of. As a result, they had trouble figuring out who was going to take up what piece of Baghdad. They sent us over to this area in Iskanderia. We didn't know it as the Qaqaa facility at that point but when they did bring us over there we stayed there for quite a while. We stayed overnight, almost 24 hours. And we walked around, we saw the bunkers that had been bombed, and that exposed all of the ordinances that just lied dormant on the desert.

AR: Was there a search at all underway or did a search ensue for explosives once you got there during that 24-hour period?

LLJ: No. There wasn't a search. The mission that the brigade had was to get to Baghdad. That was more of a pit stop there for us. . .

AR: And there was no talk of securing the area after you left. There was no discussion of that?

LLJ: Not for the 101st Airborne, Second Brigade. They were -- once they were in Baghdad, it was all about Baghdad, you know, and then they ended up moving north to Mosul. Once we left the area, that was the last that the brigade had anything to do with the area.
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So not only did they not search per the above, they didn't secure the area, an area at least full of munitions.