Should Britan be armed?

[bigway 4]

whoooa, i am not telling you to keep your mouth shut and that you have no right talking about another country because you do not live there...


what i am saying....


cameras make me feel safe. I am sure there are not to many pshycopaths i need to worry about and i do not woryy about them. I live my life and enjoy it without worrying.

2/ i do not think you can tell acountry we have to have the right to have a gun when you do not have a clue what it is like to live in a country when you feel safer no thaving this right.


we are not talking about third world countries either we are talking about england.

Yes cameras make you feel safe here and if you need to be sarcastic about this or not belive that cameras can make you feel safe well that is because of your lack of education in living in a country where we do not need or want guns.

This is all i am saying and am not trying to tell you to shut up but am merley telling you that your opinon on england having guns should not be beased on america nor your so to speak free country.

Maybe if america never legalised guns you would not think you need them.

Try living in a country where you feel safe. If i am getting beat up by three or four people for my money i would not want to pull out a gun, i would want to fight back or take a beating and have something to talk about. I do not need a gun, do not want a gun and if this country made a law that you could have the right to a gun well then this country would go to the dogs and there would be a lot more people killing others.

sorry to offend you.
Feel free to voice your opinion but know that your opinon is an opinion from someone that does not know how it feels to be safe without a device that kills.

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[gordy 0]

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I see no excuse for "life" not meaning "life". If you don't mean "life" why call it "life" - just give it another name and stop panzying arround.

Absolutely....

In theory in Scotland one you get "life" and are released you are out on license and if you reoffend you can be placed back in prison, although I am not sure how often this is applied.

[Skyrad 0]

Even more so north of the border!

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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That's just asinine.

Why? Both are rights I do not want nor do I want other people in my country to have. Why should I lament the lack of one yet applaud the lack of the other?

Dude, a sense of pity swells in me to have to explain to you that

- the ownership of guns of and by itself is not malum in se. There is no harm done by the mere ownership of guns.

- the perpetration of child molestation most certainly creates a victim every time.

So comparing the right to own guns with the right to molest children is absurd on its face.

Honestly, when I have to stop and explain this stuff to you, the whole class falls behind in their lessons!

Do you think you advance your arguments by making ridiculous comparisons like "the right to keep and bear arms" v. "the right to molest children"?!

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[gordy 0]

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There is no harm done by the mere ownership of guns.

True.....but there is a fair amount of harm done by accidental handling etc

[Skyrad 0]

So why is every Swiss household obliged to have an assault rifle and yet they have hardly any gun crime?

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[mr2mk1g 10]

READ what I said. I was not comparing owning guns but carrying guns in public and shooting someone simply because they want my wallet.

Admittedly not in the same league as molestation but certainly in the same class - something which should not be legal.

[bigway 4]

someone is starting to sound like a NAZI.
get a grip on yourself. you are not teaching anyone here anything.
You come from a nation that invades a country ever 18 months, do you really think you are teaching anyone anything. Go join the army
Wally
i suppose you are racist too.....am i making you angry yet, are your eyes turning red?
Get a grip. We do not need guns, we do not need the right to own a gun.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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cameras make me feel safe. I am sure there are not to many pshycopaths i need to worry about and i do not woryy about them. I live my life and enjoy it without worrying.

Seems a bit creepy to me. Society has enough problems worldwide with camera phones. Are bathrooms not covered?

So how do they make you safer? Is the quality high enough that they can be used to identify and prosecute criminals, albeit for shortened sentences?

Or do cops get sent out to stop the crime in the middle of it being committed? A better version to our 911, with 5-15 min response time?

[bigway 4]

no, in the city though i feel safe because thewre is a response team that just monitors them live 24-7.
Not everywhere. But who wants to commit a crime in front of cameras that are there for the sole purpose to prosecute and be monitored? that is why i feel safe.
Anyway i am leaving this thread....
question...
Should britan be armed?

answer...
I do not belive so

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[Skyrad 0]

Notice that none of these countries have much in the way of CCTV cameras.

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Rwanda, Somalia, and Sudan. People are SO much safer when hacked to death with machetes than they are when shot to death with guns.

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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whoooa, i am not telling you to keep your mouth shut and that you have no right talking about another country because you do not live there...

Ohhh, I'm sorry, I guess I mistook this:

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Maybe you should bring some experience of living in Britian before you sit here telling us we need Guns.
We do not need guns.
There are guns in this country but this not america. There are cctv cvameras every where in every city and town in the united kingdom. This has the feel of a very safe country, we are not in america so do not tell us your american bullshit gun obbsesion reality will be needed in this Country.

as an attempt to tell me what I should or should not feel free to say and discuss. What on earth was I thinking?!

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cameras make me feel safe. I am sure there are not to many pshycopaths i need to worry about and i do not woryy about them. I live my life and enjoy it without worrying.

Then why can't you allow guns for those who want them (there are those who want them, you know -- probably the same people from whom they were confiscated in 1997!), since the risk you face from psychopaths who would like to kill you is so low?

See, on the one hand you claim that there are so many dangerous people out there that you must have draconian anti-gun laws to keep them from being dangerous;
and on the other hand, you are in no danger without a gun of your own (nothing to worry about, as you say) because there are so few dangerous psychotics.

It's like the gun control argument: "People are not trustworthy; which is why we need gun control laws; which people will obey because they are trustworthy."

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Yes cameras make you feel safe here and if you need to be sarcastic about this or not belive that cameras can make you feel safe well that is because of your lack of education in living in a country where we do not need or want guns.

Do you understand the difference between being made to feel safe, and actually being safe?

If you were in a building with those little cabinets for fire extinguishers, and unbeknownst to you, each of them was empty, you'd feel safe because of the presence of fire extinguishers, but you wouldn't be safe because they really aren't there.

See my point yet?

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Maybe if america never legalised guns you would not think you need them.

America never "legalized guns." They've always been legal. The new notion is to make them not legal.

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Try living in a country where you feel safe. If i am getting beat up by three or four people for my money i would not want to pull out a gun, i would want to fight back or take a beating and have something to talk about.

I'm sorry, that's just fuckin' stupid. There's no honor in getting beaten for your valuables. When you're in the middle of having your jaw, arm and ribs broken, and your teeth are getting shattered out of your mouth because you have not availed yourself of the tools of self-defense, you be sure to remember to think of the great story that it's gonna make. Provided you survive, that is. Provided that by their good nature the people who are beating you within an inch of your life allow you to keep your life. You know, they'll probably leave you alive, since they're such good blokes, which is why they were beating you senseless in the first place. Put your faith in them; that's a safe bet!

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Feel free to voice your opinion but know that your opinon is an opinion from someone that does not know how it feels to be safe without a device that kills.

Do you have the same low opinion of those pussies who just don't feel safe driving a car without a seat belt on; or those pansies who don't feel safe without a smoke detector and fire extinguisher in their household? Yeah, what a bunch of fairies. Their opinions about safety are meaningless, since they have to depend on the informed and knowledgeable use of tools and the advantages that man's intelligence can afford them.

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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someone is starting to sound like a NAZI.
get a grip on yourself. you are not teaching anyone here anything.
You come from a nation that invades a country ever 18 months, do you really think you are teaching anyone anything. Go join the army
Wally
i suppose you are racist too.....am i making you angry yet, are your eyes turning red?
Get a grip. We do not need guns, we do not need the right to own a gun.

No, but your condescending tone, and your epithets, may end up getting you some time out from this forum. You are out of line.

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[bigway 4]

yeah....did not bother reading that, too much for me to worry about.
i think you are going a little pshycotic there jeffery.
i never said the words 'shut your face"
You can keep writing these long posts and i am not reading them purely because i am finding it funny how you are going mental over this and you need to clam down.
Yes jeffery,
you are right!
we need to arms ourselves, and ray that when our houses get burgled if they do that our guns do not get stolen too.
You are right and i am with you, now i just need a gun.

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[Skyrad 0]

Maybe we should ban gansta rap and hophop tracks that glorify firearms. What do you all think?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/stevelamacq/documentaries/crossfire_documentary20030127.shtml

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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i think you are going a little pshycotic there jeffery.

Hey moderators: Does this count as a personal attack if it was spelled wrong?

If so, that's two in a row.

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[bigway 4]

grow up

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[mr2mk1g 10]

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Do you understand the difference between being made to feel safe, and actually being safe?

Fear of crime is something we measure in this country. 16% of people in this country fear being involved in a violent crime. 2.2% of people in this country are actually injured in a violent crime. (British Crime Survey 2003/2004)

Seems like people's fears are actually way way above what the reality of the situation is. And you're hearing first hand testimony here that people don't feel particularly threatened.

(edited to add source... incase you hadn't guessed it).

[gordy 0]

No need to ban anything, just leave things as they are.....

p.s. check spelling of Britain

[Skyrad 0]

Oops!

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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[gordy 0]

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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grow up

Aaaand another personal insult.

Keep 'em coming. Maybe one will be gratuitously severe enough to warrant a moderator banning you for a couple of weeks.

edited to add: After all, one guy got a warning from billvon just for telling Tunaplanet to "get a life"!

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[jerry81 10]

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whoooa, i am not telling you to keep your mouth shut and that you have no right talking about another country because you do not live there...

Ohhh, I'm sorry, I guess I mistook this:

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Maybe you should bring some experience of living in Britian before you sit here telling us we need Guns.
We do not need guns.
There are guns in this country but this not america. There are cctv cvameras every where in every city and town in the united kingdom. This has the feel of a very safe country, we are not in america so do not tell us your american bullshit gun obbsesion reality will be needed in this Country.

as an attempt to tell me what I should or should not feel free to say and discuss. What on earth was I thinking

Harsh words (and cameras) aside, can you try discussing cultural differences? Or perhaps empathy, an element that seems to be missing in most of your posts? Stating your mind is one thing, stating it in a way that suggests all other opinions are faulty or completely wrong is another. I'm sure you can guess which leads to (something resembling) a normal discussion and which just causes a lot of hot blood and no productive outcome whatsoever.
Please try to accept that others may have different mindsets and come from different backgrounds than you, that this does not make them automatically wrong and that sometimes they may be better qualified than you to speak on certain topics. Culturally specific ones or matters of taste, for example.

In other words; while your ideas may be interesting, you need to try and communicate them in a different way if you expect people to really consider them, unless you simply enjoy getting yourself and others heated up over things you could discuss in a (again, somewhat) normal fashion.

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[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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Why on earth do you find it at all preferable to be stabbed to death with a knife rather than shot to death with a gun??

Or are you claiming that you'd rather be attacked with a knife because you feel you're badass enough to go bare-handed against a guy with a knife? Like your triumph is assured, if "all he has is a knife"?

Actually - yes. Been there, done that. The one and only time anyone has tried to rob me was while I was in college. He walked up to me, told me had a knife, told me he wanted money, then as he went for the knife I tossed him against the wall of the building and walked away.

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We had the whopping total of 68 homicides by firearms this year. 68 in a population of 60 million. (2003/4 British Crime Survey)

The US population is just about 300 million - that’s 5 times the population of the UK.

68 x 5 = 340.

This year there were 11,660 firearms murders in the US. (National Bureau of Justice Statistics 2003/4 National Crime Victimization Survey).

Though statistical analysis has its flaws, it would seem the pro-gun people are unwilling to tackle the argument above. Americas population is five times larger than Britain's. However America has a "firearms murder rate" thirty four times larger than Britain's. I would be interested in any pro-gun arguments that could account for this discrepency.

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