killler 2 #26 October 22, 2004 This is just a cop with no training or tact.... I'm sure she "cop" had a point to prove.... I have no respect for cops at all.... They think it fine to do what ever they like.... And then lie to cover it.... It's a fact that cops make things a big deal and over react.... A little time spent talking would have most likly end the problem without any trouble..... Cops are a bunch of chicken $hits.... Really big in a group, Little girls one on one.... Killer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #27 October 22, 2004 I agree with everything you said 100%. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #28 October 22, 2004 QuoteYou don't deal with many elderly people, do you? They can fight like the devil, but they are still frail. On the radio this morning, a local woman just got arrested for biting the arm of a 5 year old child in her care. She left a darn good bruise on the kid's arm. The woman is 70 years old. These women can definitely cause damage, or at least try to, but scream their heads off if they are reprimanded in any way for it. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #29 October 22, 2004 Well, a 5 year old child would probably be justified in tasing an old woman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #30 October 22, 2004 I think everyone should be nice to old people. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #31 October 22, 2004 Both of you guys are coming from the argument from the law enforcement side of the coin. I deal with this daily with my security department and my on site police office. Right now the police officers working on my site are most angry because their television got removed. I doubt you have had to work on the PR side of this equation. This looks terrible on the police department. They turned a trespassing call into something very negative, even if they were justified. what blows my mind is that cops in one sentence will condone this stuff and then in the same sentence go on and say how they can't understand why people have such negative opinions about them. This officer would ahve done her department much more good if she had called for backup, the chances would have been better that it would get resolved without negative publicity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #32 October 22, 2004 Yep -- 2 people can frog-march a 76-year-old out of just about any facility. And if they can't, then they definitely can handcuff them. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #33 October 22, 2004 QuoteYep -- 2 people can frog-march a 76-year-old out of just about any facility. And if they can't, then they definitely can handcuff them. I know all my security guys can....and do on almost a daily basis....we have arrested kids from 12 to adults well into their 80s...some with weapons, some without and all stages of compliance..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #34 October 22, 2004 QuoteBoth of you guys are coming from the argument from the law enforcement side of the coin......I doubt you have had to work on the PR side of this equation Not knowing all of the facts behind this incident I will not attempt to arm chair QB it but I do know that sometimes things escalate quickly and your options are quickly reduced. From the article I am assuming the officer felt that she needed to end the situation right then and backup wasn't an option. I do know that her department has a policy and if she was in violation of it she will be held responsible. I also know that had she used an ASP, OC spray or physically restrained her and caused injury it would still have the same PR effect. The media is not your friend and they will always report the bad shit that happens and never the 100 other good things you do on a daily basis. I don't have any side of the coin to come from other than what the law is. Since I, like most people, believe that if you break the law you will be held accountable. Are some cops dicks? hell yeah, but there are plenty of good ones out there as well. If anyone had to deal with the scum of the planet on a daily basis their tolerance levels would adjust as well. Quotewhat blows my mind is that cops in one sentence will condone this stuff and then in the same sentence go on and say how they can't understand why people have such negative opinions about them I think this is due to their knowing the reasons why and being able to identify with why an officer would use what ever method they felt was necessary to end that encounter. The same comparrison could be used with skydivers and whuffos if you think about it."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #35 October 22, 2004 QuoteI think this is due to their knowing the reasons why and being able to identify with why an officer would use what ever method they felt was necessary to end that encounter. The same comparrison could be used with skydivers and whuffos if you think about it. True, but if you want to chance some of that perception, like most say they want, then you have to look at things from the other side sometimes. She may have well been in her lawful right and within policy to do what she did. I am not disputing that. doesn't mean it was necessarily the smartest solution to the problem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #36 October 22, 2004 QuoteThis is just a cop with no training or tact.... I'm sure she "cop" had a point to prove.... I have no respect for cops at all.... They think it fine to do what ever they like.... And then lie to cover it.... It's a fact that cops make things a big deal and over react.... A little time spent talking would have most likly end the problem without any trouble..... Cops are a bunch of chicken $hits.... Really big in a group, Little girls one on one.... (A) I had a higher opinoin of you than this. Duely reevaluated. (B) There are good cops in the world, and they outnumber bad ones. (C) I heard this argument applied to skydivers almost verbatim by some locals in a DZ town (they added "no respect for property). I sat and talked with them. They still hate the bad jumpers, but they don't hate all jumpers anymore.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #37 October 23, 2004 Well heck, I'm a nice guy, just ask my mom! "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killler 2 #38 October 24, 2004 The day cops stop covering up for each other is the day they'll start getting some respect.... I have NEVER seen or heard a cop talk badly about anothers actions.... They always have a story why it was right to do what ever it was.... Like five cops beating a 17yr old kid with night sticks because got in their face.... Or mace some old lady for not moving out of a room.... So.... When cops stop lying and abusing the people their paid to protect I'll stop putting them all in one big pile.... Killer............ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #39 October 24, 2004 Guess what, this is a first for you. I'll talk bad about any LEO whose screwed up actions make my job harder. Example: The Rodney King incident, absolutely fucked up. Nobody can justify the officers actions to me. I've argued this with many people, including LEO's. That situation made my job much harder to perform in many ways. With that said, this situation has to play out. You weren't there, neither was I. Press accounts of incidents can be very inaccurate. I've read about situations/incidents where I was actually there, and I say to myself "WTF"? The reporter(s) facts are not only inaccurate, but sometimes false. Taken at face value this situation is fucked up. I would frown upon any of my people tazing a 75 year old woman. Especially a 100+ man department where back-up is only mins away. But again there may be other factors not mentioned in the article. Maybe granny was trying to bite the officer, I've been bitten by suspects and it's not fun, human bites are very toxic and often lead to blood poisoning if left untreated. I had to deck a woman (not 75 yoa though)once after she continually tried to bite me, I attempted open handed techniques for several minutes trying NOT to use force. After several attempts to take her to the ground, and her teeth being inches away from my arm I had to act. The time you try to be the nice guy and not use force, is the time you get hurt. It's happened to me personally, and many others. But no matter what I say, I have the feeling it won't change your opinion, for whatever reason. Blue Skies "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #40 October 24, 2004 I have two friends who are cops. You guys put up with a lot of shit and sometimes wonder if anyone besides a cop knows all the crap you go through on a daily basis. One of them was bitten by a 60 yo man, one of the nastiest things I've ever seen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
