wmw999 2,589 #26 October 20, 2004 Quoteare going to stay there. This is not a new thing for our country. We have defeated dictators before and brought democracy and prosperity to other countries in the aftermath of war. We are an impatient society who has to see everything right NOW. We ARE doing the right thing over there. Let me guess -- you think that going to other countries and imposing our presence and values on them is a good thing. You probably also would think another country's doing the same thing in the US would be bad. Our values work for us. They seem to work for other countries, but, ya know, people in other countries are still people -- they resent that kind of thing. Let them find what works, don't shove it down their throats. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #27 October 20, 2004 this is older than Noah, i read this twice already on DZ.com alone.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #28 October 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteI just hope we don't end up taking over too much territory and have the world rise against us... now you have a head on your sholders. that is exactly what all american need to see because this could very well happen in the next generation. Illustrated in the attached. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kinney29 0 #29 October 20, 2004 No but a dictatorship were there are such mass human rights violations is a world issue. I also think the happenings in Africa are a something that the US and the world need to stop. I believe there a certain rights and wrong in the world and the wrongs must be righted. Before the war I didn't care if there were WMD in Iraq, I feel we should have finished the job there in '91. I feel our mission in Iraq is a noble and just mission. And I ask you .. are American citizens more valuable than Iraqis? Are the lives of 1000 Americans worth saving the lives of ten-of-thousands of Iraq's citezens? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,589 #30 October 20, 2004 American lives are more valuable to Americans, and Iraqi lives are more valuable to Iraqis, generally. Which means that we don't really pay attention to the large number of Iraqis that have died while we were trying to save them. But that means that the Iraqis pay a whole lot more attention to their friends, brothers, sisters, parents, and children who have died right in the same country. They don't always come home in body bags with funeral arrangements paid for, instead the family has to go find the body, retrieve it, and pay for the funeral themselves. We didn't go in there saying the problem was with their human rights policies (that would have been laughable, since theirs are so much better than other countries' that we've ignored). If I hit somebody with a car because I was careless, and it turns out that he was a wanted murderer, that doesn't make it OK that I was careless while driving. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigway 4 #31 October 20, 2004 are american citizens lives more valuable than iraqi's......WTF!!! this is the attitude that will make other say no! what makes you so special. this is the sort of bullshit thatmakes the world look at you in a bad way. to stop the 1000's of american lives being killed in iraq is simple....get the fuk out!!! man, with that sort of statement you give americans the bad name they are getting around the world. no words......man, you are one sad person if you think like that, i am really trying to be nice right now as i do not want to get banned from here but you should stay in america cause with that attitude, you would not be safe anywhere else. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigway 4 #32 October 20, 2004 you have a really good way of staying calm...wendy, you are a legend, you say things in such a nice way. This guy is and his attitude toward the world gives people like you a bad name that you do not deserve. good on you for being switched on and a peacful person. i dont know if you agree with what i say so i am not trying to say we are on the same page but what you say is very fair and decent of you. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kinney29 0 #33 October 20, 2004 Quoteare american citizens lives more valuable than iraqi's......WTF!!! this is the attitude that will make other say no! what makes you so special. this is the sort of bullshit thatmakes the world look at you in a bad way. to stop the 1000's of american lives being killed in iraq is simple....get the fuk out!!! man, with that sort of statement you give americans the bad name they are getting around the world. no words......man, you are one sad person if you think like that, i am really trying to be nice right now as i do not want to get banned from here but you should stay in america cause with that attitude, you would not be safe anywhere else. My point was .. No American lives are not more important than an Iraqis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigway 4 #34 October 20, 2004 ok, my apologies, sorry for that outburst...... can we continue the argument now .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kinney29 0 #35 October 20, 2004 Quoteok, my apologies, sorry for that outburst...... can we continue the argument now Yeah this is fun! I love all you guys just so you know! Please don't let differing views on foreign policy make you hate eachother. We're bigger than that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #36 October 20, 2004 Quoteare american citizens lives more valuable than iraqi's......WTF!!! this is the attitude that will make other say no! what makes you so special. this is the sort of bullshit thatmakes the world look at you in a bad way. to stop the 1000's of american lives being killed in iraq is simple....get the fuk out!!! man, with that sort of statement you give americans the bad name they are getting around the world. no words......man, you are one sad person if you think like that, i am really trying to be nice right now as i do not want to get banned from here but you should stay in america cause with that attitude, you would not be safe anywhere else. I don’t give two rat fucks about what you or anyone else around the world thinks about us. We will protect ourselves how we see fit. If that pisses anyone off, well then, so be it. I say American lives are more important than Iraqis or anyone else’s for that matter…to us. That’s not to say that lives elsewhere aren’t important. Let’s not be naïve, though. Of course, we’re going to protect our own and consider ours more important over anyone else. If others benefit from that, so be it, but we’re doing this for our own national interests whether you like it or not. I think you’re life is important. But do you think I’m going to willingly sacrifice any one of my family for you? Not likely. Once their new free and democratic society takes hold, Iraq will now be less likely to support terrorism against us. That reason supercedes any reason of freedom for the Iraqi people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #37 October 20, 2004 QuoteI don’t give two rat fucks about what you or anyone else around the world thinks about us. We will protect ourselves how we see fit. If that pisses anyone off, well then, so be it. Make sure you understand a couple of things. First of all, some of us do care. And secondly, if we didn't, then we'd have a whole lot more enemies then we do now. Quotewe’re doing this for our own national interests whether you like it or not. I think you’re life is important. I think that's important also. Where we differ is in what we believe is the best course of action to protect our interests. I believe that it is to use diplomacy whenever necessary, not involve ourselves in the actions of other nations and other regions of the world if possible, and when that fails, THEN use force to protect ourselves. I don't believe those first two criteria are being met, and as a matter of fact, they are a direct contradiction of the Bush Doctrine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigway 4 #38 October 20, 2004 Good on you mate!, god bless america! go get em buddy Do you think you could clean up all the muderers and drugs and crime in your country first though,, then worry about saving your people from the rest of the world. The world is in danger because of terrorism, this is your countries doing. you are not protecting your national interestes, i would like to see you say that when the world says...enough is enough. but for time being, keep that attitude soldier, and go save america from the people in iraq that are producing WMA and threaning your country. come on mate, fair enough, you are patriotic and that is a good thing. Makes you a person of pride, i like that in people. You can stand up and back up your president, this is good too, we can agree to disagree, well i hate doing that but i am going to try this aproach. Just dont let your government take all this too far because it feels like it is going to get alot worse than it already is. Peace or shall i say, lock and load soldier! .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #39 October 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteI don’t give two rat fucks about what you or anyone else around the world thinks about us. We will protect ourselves how we see fit. If that pisses anyone off, well then, so be it. Make sure you understand a couple of things. First of all, some of us do care. And secondly, if we didn't, then we'd have a whole lot more enemies then we do now. Don't elect me President! Don't get me wrong. I do care about the lives of people around the world. I'm just saying that's not the primary reason for us doing what we did. We're doing what we're doing to ultimately protect our own people. Americans. If Iraqis benefit from what we've done, great. That also benefits us in the long term, however. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigway 4 #40 October 20, 2004 this is one of those posts where i really want to write a reply but have to much to say and can not type fast enough to keep up with my head so i am writing this instead...... if you notice this notice, you will notice that this notice is not worth noticing. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #41 October 20, 2004 QuoteI believe that it is to use diplomacy whenever necessary, not involve ourselves in the actions of other nations and other regions of the world if possible, and when that fails, THEN use force to protect ourselves. I don't believe those first two criteria are being met, and as a matter of fact, they are a direct contradiction of the Bush Doctrine. Do you think we can use diplomacy to negotiate with terrorists or terrorist organizations? I believe the Bush Doctrine’s stance of preemption is necessary with regards to this. Otherwise, we only act after we’ve been hit. That doesn’t sound very prudent given the demonstrated nature of the enemy. It also sounds like pre-9-11 thinking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kinney29 0 #42 October 20, 2004 Like I said before, Yeah this is fun. This is the kinda stuff that makes democacy so great. The fact what we can differ on opinion. Without difference of opinion (one party rule) dictators arise ignorance runs rampant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #43 October 20, 2004 Quotethis is one of those posts where i really want to write a reply but have to much to say and can not type fast enough to keep up with my head so i am writing this instead...... if you notice this notice, you will notice that this notice is not worth noticing. That's cool. Did you "notice" anything grammatically incorrect or misspelled? I'll wait for a point to be made... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigway 4 #44 October 20, 2004 did i spell notice wrong? i have not slept in 2 days! first night because i was to excited my new rig was coming second night because you americans have infuriated me. and i aint kidding, dropzone.com has taken my life from me i am going to sleep now if you promised not to reply to force me into staying awake. im such a loser....but only i am allowed to say that .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #45 October 20, 2004 QuoteDo you think we can use diplomacy to negotiate with terrorists or terrorist organizations? Nope, but what does that have to do with the legal (no matter what anyone thought about him) regime of Hussein? Even if you want to claim he had ties to AQ, he himself and his gov't were not a loose network, it was a sovereign gov't. Quote I believe the Bush Doctrine’s stance of preemption is necessary with regards to this. I believe you don't undersand what the Bush Doctrine is. The Bush Doctrine specifies pre-emptive attacks against sovereign nations that we SUSPECT of aiding terrorists. That presents many problems. A) Pre-emptive attacks against other nations violate international law and treaties that we have signed. Unless we can proove an imminent threat, which is why the dog and pony show pre-Iraq. Our credibility in that regard is now gone. B) Suspicion IMO is not strong enough reason to go to war against another nation. I believe it takes an overt act of war by them first to justify it. C) It doesn't do much to stop terrorism because as you well know, AQ doesn't have gov't allegiance and is not restricted by borders. There are over 100 nations in the world, if we attack one, they'll just move their operations to another. It's pointless. QuoteIt also sounds like pre-9-11 thinking. If by pre 9/11 thinking you mean believing in peace before war, diplomacy before death, and killing as a last resort instead of just in case. Then I think we need a lot more pre 9-11 thinking. As horrible as that day was, it resulted in the death of 3000 people. The Bush doctrine is already responsible for more, and I fear if the path continues the number will reach the millions. I only see one logical reason for buying into Bush's policy. Fear and retribution. It has no chance of making us any safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #46 October 20, 2004 Quote>When they, the bad guys, set up shop somewhere else and export > there terror we will go get them in their new home, where ever that > may be. The flaw in your reasoning is that they all moved to Iraq AFTER we invaded. If our invasions cause increases in terrorism, we are not doing ourselves any good.That is not a flaw that is a bonus. Now more of them are in one place. ...an increase in terrorism? In Iraq and else where only because they know that a free (more free) way of life threatens their control and power. It is a desperate last stand."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #47 October 20, 2004 Quoteyour country is not anywhere near free. terror alerts all the time, and this is a free country? protecting the world? no you are not! their are bombs going off everywhere cause of america! there are terrorists because of america. Terrorist that terrorist this....only in america! visit new zealand and you will see what is like to be free. poilce, no guns, no airforce, no bombings, no supporting america and their stupid wars. You say it is okay to stop other countries having WMD when you guys have them, next you will tell me that it is okay because you have a trusty government and military. far out, get with it america!Not free? I diagree with most if not all of this post."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #48 October 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteyour country is not anywhere near free. terror alerts all the time, and this is a free country? protecting the world? no you are not! their are bombs going off everywhere cause of america! there are terrorists because of america. Terrorist that terrorist this....only in america! visit new zealand and you will see what is like to be free. poilce, no guns, no airforce, no bombings, no supporting america and their stupid wars. You say it is okay to stop other countries having WMD when you guys have them, next you will tell me that it is okay because you have a trusty government and military. far out, get with it america!Not free? I diagree with most if not all of this post. And he forgot to mention that apparently there is no literacy either"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigway 4 #49 October 20, 2004 have your opinion that is fine, i will agree when i here the truth but this last post of mine that you do not agree with, well you are just being stupid because that whole post was the complete truth. not my opinion but the truth...fact. now play fair. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigway 4 #50 October 20, 2004 what does Literacy mean? .Karnage Krew Gear Store . 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kinney29 0 #29 October 20, 2004 No but a dictatorship were there are such mass human rights violations is a world issue. I also think the happenings in Africa are a something that the US and the world need to stop. I believe there a certain rights and wrong in the world and the wrongs must be righted. Before the war I didn't care if there were WMD in Iraq, I feel we should have finished the job there in '91. I feel our mission in Iraq is a noble and just mission. And I ask you .. are American citizens more valuable than Iraqis? Are the lives of 1000 Americans worth saving the lives of ten-of-thousands of Iraq's citezens? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #30 October 20, 2004 American lives are more valuable to Americans, and Iraqi lives are more valuable to Iraqis, generally. Which means that we don't really pay attention to the large number of Iraqis that have died while we were trying to save them. But that means that the Iraqis pay a whole lot more attention to their friends, brothers, sisters, parents, and children who have died right in the same country. They don't always come home in body bags with funeral arrangements paid for, instead the family has to go find the body, retrieve it, and pay for the funeral themselves. We didn't go in there saying the problem was with their human rights policies (that would have been laughable, since theirs are so much better than other countries' that we've ignored). If I hit somebody with a car because I was careless, and it turns out that he was a wanted murderer, that doesn't make it OK that I was careless while driving. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #31 October 20, 2004 are american citizens lives more valuable than iraqi's......WTF!!! this is the attitude that will make other say no! what makes you so special. this is the sort of bullshit thatmakes the world look at you in a bad way. to stop the 1000's of american lives being killed in iraq is simple....get the fuk out!!! man, with that sort of statement you give americans the bad name they are getting around the world. no words......man, you are one sad person if you think like that, i am really trying to be nice right now as i do not want to get banned from here but you should stay in america cause with that attitude, you would not be safe anywhere else. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #32 October 20, 2004 you have a really good way of staying calm...wendy, you are a legend, you say things in such a nice way. This guy is and his attitude toward the world gives people like you a bad name that you do not deserve. good on you for being switched on and a peacful person. i dont know if you agree with what i say so i am not trying to say we are on the same page but what you say is very fair and decent of you. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kinney29 0 #33 October 20, 2004 Quoteare american citizens lives more valuable than iraqi's......WTF!!! this is the attitude that will make other say no! what makes you so special. this is the sort of bullshit thatmakes the world look at you in a bad way. to stop the 1000's of american lives being killed in iraq is simple....get the fuk out!!! man, with that sort of statement you give americans the bad name they are getting around the world. no words......man, you are one sad person if you think like that, i am really trying to be nice right now as i do not want to get banned from here but you should stay in america cause with that attitude, you would not be safe anywhere else. My point was .. No American lives are not more important than an Iraqis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #34 October 20, 2004 ok, my apologies, sorry for that outburst...... can we continue the argument now .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kinney29 0 #35 October 20, 2004 Quoteok, my apologies, sorry for that outburst...... can we continue the argument now Yeah this is fun! I love all you guys just so you know! Please don't let differing views on foreign policy make you hate eachother. We're bigger than that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #36 October 20, 2004 Quoteare american citizens lives more valuable than iraqi's......WTF!!! this is the attitude that will make other say no! what makes you so special. this is the sort of bullshit thatmakes the world look at you in a bad way. to stop the 1000's of american lives being killed in iraq is simple....get the fuk out!!! man, with that sort of statement you give americans the bad name they are getting around the world. no words......man, you are one sad person if you think like that, i am really trying to be nice right now as i do not want to get banned from here but you should stay in america cause with that attitude, you would not be safe anywhere else. I don’t give two rat fucks about what you or anyone else around the world thinks about us. We will protect ourselves how we see fit. If that pisses anyone off, well then, so be it. I say American lives are more important than Iraqis or anyone else’s for that matter…to us. That’s not to say that lives elsewhere aren’t important. Let’s not be naïve, though. Of course, we’re going to protect our own and consider ours more important over anyone else. If others benefit from that, so be it, but we’re doing this for our own national interests whether you like it or not. I think you’re life is important. But do you think I’m going to willingly sacrifice any one of my family for you? Not likely. Once their new free and democratic society takes hold, Iraq will now be less likely to support terrorism against us. That reason supercedes any reason of freedom for the Iraqi people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #37 October 20, 2004 QuoteI don’t give two rat fucks about what you or anyone else around the world thinks about us. We will protect ourselves how we see fit. If that pisses anyone off, well then, so be it. Make sure you understand a couple of things. First of all, some of us do care. And secondly, if we didn't, then we'd have a whole lot more enemies then we do now. Quotewe’re doing this for our own national interests whether you like it or not. I think you’re life is important. I think that's important also. Where we differ is in what we believe is the best course of action to protect our interests. I believe that it is to use diplomacy whenever necessary, not involve ourselves in the actions of other nations and other regions of the world if possible, and when that fails, THEN use force to protect ourselves. I don't believe those first two criteria are being met, and as a matter of fact, they are a direct contradiction of the Bush Doctrine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #38 October 20, 2004 Good on you mate!, god bless america! go get em buddy Do you think you could clean up all the muderers and drugs and crime in your country first though,, then worry about saving your people from the rest of the world. The world is in danger because of terrorism, this is your countries doing. you are not protecting your national interestes, i would like to see you say that when the world says...enough is enough. but for time being, keep that attitude soldier, and go save america from the people in iraq that are producing WMA and threaning your country. come on mate, fair enough, you are patriotic and that is a good thing. Makes you a person of pride, i like that in people. You can stand up and back up your president, this is good too, we can agree to disagree, well i hate doing that but i am going to try this aproach. Just dont let your government take all this too far because it feels like it is going to get alot worse than it already is. Peace or shall i say, lock and load soldier! .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #39 October 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteI don’t give two rat fucks about what you or anyone else around the world thinks about us. We will protect ourselves how we see fit. If that pisses anyone off, well then, so be it. Make sure you understand a couple of things. First of all, some of us do care. And secondly, if we didn't, then we'd have a whole lot more enemies then we do now. Don't elect me President! Don't get me wrong. I do care about the lives of people around the world. I'm just saying that's not the primary reason for us doing what we did. We're doing what we're doing to ultimately protect our own people. Americans. If Iraqis benefit from what we've done, great. That also benefits us in the long term, however. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #40 October 20, 2004 this is one of those posts where i really want to write a reply but have to much to say and can not type fast enough to keep up with my head so i am writing this instead...... if you notice this notice, you will notice that this notice is not worth noticing. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #41 October 20, 2004 QuoteI believe that it is to use diplomacy whenever necessary, not involve ourselves in the actions of other nations and other regions of the world if possible, and when that fails, THEN use force to protect ourselves. I don't believe those first two criteria are being met, and as a matter of fact, they are a direct contradiction of the Bush Doctrine. Do you think we can use diplomacy to negotiate with terrorists or terrorist organizations? I believe the Bush Doctrine’s stance of preemption is necessary with regards to this. Otherwise, we only act after we’ve been hit. That doesn’t sound very prudent given the demonstrated nature of the enemy. It also sounds like pre-9-11 thinking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kinney29 0 #42 October 20, 2004 Like I said before, Yeah this is fun. This is the kinda stuff that makes democacy so great. The fact what we can differ on opinion. Without difference of opinion (one party rule) dictators arise ignorance runs rampant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #43 October 20, 2004 Quotethis is one of those posts where i really want to write a reply but have to much to say and can not type fast enough to keep up with my head so i am writing this instead...... if you notice this notice, you will notice that this notice is not worth noticing. That's cool. Did you "notice" anything grammatically incorrect or misspelled? I'll wait for a point to be made... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #44 October 20, 2004 did i spell notice wrong? i have not slept in 2 days! first night because i was to excited my new rig was coming second night because you americans have infuriated me. and i aint kidding, dropzone.com has taken my life from me i am going to sleep now if you promised not to reply to force me into staying awake. im such a loser....but only i am allowed to say that .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #45 October 20, 2004 QuoteDo you think we can use diplomacy to negotiate with terrorists or terrorist organizations? Nope, but what does that have to do with the legal (no matter what anyone thought about him) regime of Hussein? Even if you want to claim he had ties to AQ, he himself and his gov't were not a loose network, it was a sovereign gov't. Quote I believe the Bush Doctrine’s stance of preemption is necessary with regards to this. I believe you don't undersand what the Bush Doctrine is. The Bush Doctrine specifies pre-emptive attacks against sovereign nations that we SUSPECT of aiding terrorists. That presents many problems. A) Pre-emptive attacks against other nations violate international law and treaties that we have signed. Unless we can proove an imminent threat, which is why the dog and pony show pre-Iraq. Our credibility in that regard is now gone. B) Suspicion IMO is not strong enough reason to go to war against another nation. I believe it takes an overt act of war by them first to justify it. C) It doesn't do much to stop terrorism because as you well know, AQ doesn't have gov't allegiance and is not restricted by borders. There are over 100 nations in the world, if we attack one, they'll just move their operations to another. It's pointless. QuoteIt also sounds like pre-9-11 thinking. If by pre 9/11 thinking you mean believing in peace before war, diplomacy before death, and killing as a last resort instead of just in case. Then I think we need a lot more pre 9-11 thinking. As horrible as that day was, it resulted in the death of 3000 people. The Bush doctrine is already responsible for more, and I fear if the path continues the number will reach the millions. I only see one logical reason for buying into Bush's policy. Fear and retribution. It has no chance of making us any safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #46 October 20, 2004 Quote>When they, the bad guys, set up shop somewhere else and export > there terror we will go get them in their new home, where ever that > may be. The flaw in your reasoning is that they all moved to Iraq AFTER we invaded. If our invasions cause increases in terrorism, we are not doing ourselves any good.That is not a flaw that is a bonus. Now more of them are in one place. ...an increase in terrorism? In Iraq and else where only because they know that a free (more free) way of life threatens their control and power. It is a desperate last stand."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #47 October 20, 2004 Quoteyour country is not anywhere near free. terror alerts all the time, and this is a free country? protecting the world? no you are not! their are bombs going off everywhere cause of america! there are terrorists because of america. Terrorist that terrorist this....only in america! visit new zealand and you will see what is like to be free. poilce, no guns, no airforce, no bombings, no supporting america and their stupid wars. You say it is okay to stop other countries having WMD when you guys have them, next you will tell me that it is okay because you have a trusty government and military. far out, get with it america!Not free? I diagree with most if not all of this post."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #48 October 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteyour country is not anywhere near free. terror alerts all the time, and this is a free country? protecting the world? no you are not! their are bombs going off everywhere cause of america! there are terrorists because of america. Terrorist that terrorist this....only in america! visit new zealand and you will see what is like to be free. poilce, no guns, no airforce, no bombings, no supporting america and their stupid wars. You say it is okay to stop other countries having WMD when you guys have them, next you will tell me that it is okay because you have a trusty government and military. far out, get with it america!Not free? I diagree with most if not all of this post. And he forgot to mention that apparently there is no literacy either"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #49 October 20, 2004 have your opinion that is fine, i will agree when i here the truth but this last post of mine that you do not agree with, well you are just being stupid because that whole post was the complete truth. not my opinion but the truth...fact. now play fair. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #50 October 20, 2004 what does Literacy mean? .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
