skydyvr 0 #101 October 21, 2004 QuoteSure clears up what he thought 30 years ago regarding policing against the spread of communism. That sure is relevant And 30 years later, he's still an "internationalist", code word for "double super extreme liberal". His "global test" commentary just a week ago was the giveaway. His statement that he would never hand over control of our troops to any outside entity doesn't reassure me one little bit. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #102 October 21, 2004 QuoteHis "global test" commentary just a week ago was the giveaway. What was that commentary? Did you actually hear it or are you just going by how the RNC spun it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,131 #103 October 21, 2004 >His "global test" commentary just a week ago was the giveaway. The now-famous comment which the GOP attempts to spin into "Kerry wouldn't defend the US unless it passed a global test": "The president always has the right and always has had the right for pre-emptive strike. That was a great doctrine throughout the cold war. And it was always one of the things we argued about with respect to arms control. No president through all of American history has ever ceded and nor would I the right to pre-empt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America. But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons." Translation - the president can do whatever he wants to defend the US. We better not have false intelligence if we kill thousands in a 'pre-emptive' action, though - a position I agree with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #104 October 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteHis "global test" commentary just a week ago was the giveaway. What was that commentary? Did you actually hear it or are you just going by how the RNC spun it? You should've watched the debates -- they were pretty enlightening. That when Kerry mentioned a the US needing to pass a "global test" before defending itself. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #105 October 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteHis "global test" commentary just a week ago was the giveaway. What was that commentary? Did you actually hear it or are you just going by how the RNC spun it? You should've watched the debates -- they were pretty enlightening. That when Kerry mentioned a the US needing to pass a "global test" before defending itself. You interpreted it differently than I did, then. I understood it to mean that before the US acted unilaterally it should ask itself if its behavior was appropriate under international norms. Nothing about seeking permission from the UN. That all came from the Repbulican spinners. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #106 October 21, 2004 QuoteNo president through all of American history has ever ceded and nor would I the right to pre-empt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America. Great, but that comment directly contradicts what he said 30 years ago, and nothing he's said or done since makes me believe what he says now. Why is it, in the liberal mind, that when Kerry contradicts himself it's because he's a saavy analyst, capable of changing his views based on new circumstances, but when Bush contradicts himself, he's just a plain old liar. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,131 #107 October 21, 2004 >Great, but that comment directly contradicts what he said 30 years ago . . Yeah, I'm just pointing out that your comment about the debate is untrue. I agree he has changed his mind since the 1970's. I certainly have. >Why is it, in the liberal mind, that when Kerry contradicts himself it's >because he's a saavy analyst, capable of changing his views based on new > circumstances, but when Bush contradicts himself, he's just a plain old liar. Haven't you heard? Bush never lies, he just has bad intelligence! Both people have changed their minds. Which isn't suprising; most people change their minds. If they never did, you'd attack Kerry for being stubborn and praise Bush for being resolute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #108 October 21, 2004 QuoteYou interpreted it differently than I did, then. I understood it to mean that before the US acted unilaterally it should ask itself if its behavior was appropriate under international norms. Nothing about seeking permission from the UN. That all came from the Repbulican spinners. I haven't yet mentioned the UN, but given Kerry's longtime senate record, I would guess he implied we shouldn't attack another nation without UN approval. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #109 October 21, 2004 QuoteIf they never did, you'd attack Kerry for being stubborn and praise Bush for being resolute. Now that's hilarious, and probably true. And you'd do just the opposite. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #110 October 21, 2004 QuoteGreat, but that comment directly contradicts what he said 30 years ago, and nothing he's said or done since makes me believe what he says now. Am I to believe that conservatives in the US do not change their mind in 30 years? That once you believe something, you never change your mind? I am 31 years old and there are many, many, many issues I have changed my mind on, multiple times. Guess you can call it flip flopping.....I call it keeping an open mind and learning... We all know that we learn in life through trial and error. Guess Bush doesn't learn much then, since he never makes any errors..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #111 October 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteGreat, but that comment directly contradicts what he said 30 years ago, and nothing he's said or done since makes me believe what he says now. Am I to believe that conservatives in the US do not change their mind in 30 years? Sure, everyone should change their minds when they learn something new or otherwise see things differently than they did before. My point about Kerry is that his record across those 30 years doesn't indicate to me that he has learned anything new or otherwise changed his perspective regarding the use of our military -- until recently, of course, when it's time to get elected president and shift towards the middle a bit. I'd say he's about as sincere as a plaid-suited used car salesman. Why do you think they call Kennedy the conservative senator from Massachusetts? Kerry's voting record on the military is part of it. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #112 October 22, 2004 QuoteQuoteIf they never did, you'd attack Kerry for being stubborn and praise Bush for being resolute. Now that's hilarious, and probably true. And you'd do just the opposite. And these are the school yard tactics being used to decide who runs our country _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #113 October 22, 2004 QuoteAnd these are the school yard tactics being used to decide who runs our country Sad, isn't it? Now, have you ever wondered why? Just look around you - we've sunk this low because it's what the people want. It's what's works. Again - sad, isn't it? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #114 October 22, 2004 QuoteAnd these are the school yard tactics being used to decide who runs our country Dude, that guy is from Colorado. Schoolyard tactics can involve pipe bombs. OK, that's over the top, but this thread is silly. It started with MTV. MTV. Say it with me. Think "Thriller" with a liberal agenda. Wine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #115 October 22, 2004 QuoteSay it with me. Think "Thriller" with a liberal agenda Nu uh.... Don't be invoking the image of Micheal Jackson in here... I'd sooner see a buncha guys runnin around in speedos than imagine Micheal Jackson anything... ick....I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #116 October 22, 2004 Speaking of Rock the Vote . . . Has anyone else seen that Gamer Rock the Vote music video yet? There's a clip of it on the "Choose or Lose" web site http://www.mtv.com/chooseorlose/ and click on "Check out the VG Unity "Stand and Choose" Video", but I'd love to see a larger version somewhere.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #117 October 22, 2004 Do people here or anywhere else actually believe that the draft is managed by one party or the other? "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #118 October 22, 2004 http://www.sss.gov/backgr.htm Quote President Franklin Roosevelt signed the Selective Training and Service Act of 1940 which created the country's first peacetime draft and formally established the Selective Service System as an independent Federal agency. If he could do it, any President can. I'm not suggesting that he and he alone could do it, but if one party held control of the House, Senate and Presidency, who would stop them?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,131 #119 October 22, 2004 >Do people here or anywhere else actually believe that the draft is > managed by one party or the other? Probably. I'm sure somewhere some hack is telling people "If you vote for Kerry (or Bush) you'll get drafted!" Keep in mind that a significant percentage of americans get most of their political information from Jay Leno. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #120 October 23, 2004 Just to follow up about Rock the Vote... Just saw part of a RTV special as I was getting ready this morning, and they were talking about minimum jail time requirements for drug offenses. Basically they showed "good" kids who got caught selling enough drugs to keep them locked up for 5-10 years, and saying how this wasn't really fair and wasn't right. They then went on to say that Bush is a strong supporter of minimum sentence requirements, but Kerry wants to re-evaluate them. Now it's not too hard to believe that they'd push young voters one way or another in their "voter registration" drive... is it??Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #121 October 24, 2004 Bwaaaaahahahahahahaaaaaa! You caught them red-handed Trent! Funny funny funny. I do advocate the legalization of most drugs, however. This is funny as hell. Rock The Vote - Kerry supporters caught red handed! Bwaaaahahahahahahahaaaaaaa! Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.thumb.jpg.4bb795e2eaf21b8b300039a5e1ec7f92.jpg)