PhillyKev 0 #76 October 20, 2004 QuoteBecause Kerry said so in the debate. No, Bush said that about Kerry in the debates. QuoteHe wants us to have to run to the UN and get permission from everyone before we act if we are attacked. Where dd you get that from? I'd really like to see a quote. What he said was that he thought we should have worked harder to get a resolution from the UN before using force against Iraq. He never said he wouldn't take action without a resolution, just that we should try harder. And none of this has anything to do with a hypothetical case of us being attacked. it's taking about us taking pre-emptive action. Pre-emptive means before we are attacked. Let me connect the dots for you, we weren't attacked by Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,600 #77 October 20, 2004 He also said he would never turn over the security of the US to the UN or anyone else. I understood him to say he'd get more information before acting if possible. Seems to be a good plan -- I generally try to be educated about some major step I'm going to take. I believe in gut feelings, but I also believe in having an educated gut. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #78 October 20, 2004 Like I said. Pass the Global Test. Under Kerry we have to get permission from the UN before we defend ourselves. Not me. I stand with Bush in that he will work with other countries but not relenquish control of it to the UN. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #79 October 20, 2004 QuoteI just wish people who did care about the issues would realize that what they want from Bush, they will never get. You won't be able to invest SS on yoru own. He said he was going to do that 4 years ago, it was the cornerstone of his campaign. He hadn't even brought it up again except to promise it again. That's pretty true with many politicians. A lot of times their campaign legislation gets ix-nayed by people who oppose them in the senate or house... or it gets so watered down that it isn't the same thing as intended. My view is that at least with Bush, we have a chance on getting our SS funds in our own control. QuoteI also believe better education helps make us stronger economically. But Bush sucks on education. Education has always been one of the strong points of the democratic party. Bush's "Reading Initiative" is virtually identical to the one that Clinton got passed. his "Education Initiative" was written by Joe Lieberman and Evan Bayh (democrats), his "Special Education Reform Commission" is staffed by members of The New Democrat Progressive Policy Institute. So Bush listened to Democrats on some of his education bills? Good for him! I hope he'd consider all sides before making a decision. Also, the hotcake of "No Child Left Behind" is a good idea. I know a few teachers that HATE how their districts are implementing the policy, but they feel that the concept and idea is important. They also mentioned that it has made it easier for them to get funding from the city and state. As for the UN thing, we'll save that for another thread. Just as you feel that I won't get what I expect from Bush, I think I would get exactly what I expect from Kerry... a complete non-presidency that will do more long term harm than good. That's why my vote stays with my homie, GWB.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,131 #80 October 20, 2004 >IF BOTH CANDIDATES OPPOSE THE DRAFT, why should anyone be >making it an issue? It's not a big issue. The only big issue is that the GOP is threatening to sue people who talk about it even as a contingency. That makes it bigger than it would otherwise be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #81 October 20, 2004 Quote Under Kerry we have to get permission from the UN before we defend ourselves. I can't decide if you can't read, can't listen or can't understand simple English. That's simply NOT what he said . . . EVER. I DEFY you to find a direct quote from him that proves your point.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #82 October 20, 2004 That's not 100% true, Bill and you know it. The dems have made the draft an issue, maybe unofficially, but they've made it an issue. Shit, it was an issue on THIS BOARD. Go back and read that. Don't tell me the draft wasn't brought into the public eye to inform and educate voters... it was a scare tactic used to get Kerry votes.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,131 #83 October 20, 2004 >Because Kerry said so in the debate. Actually, what he said was: "The president always has the right and always has had the right for pre-emptive strike. That was a great doctrine throughout the cold war. And it was always one of the things we argued about with respect to arms control. No president through all of American history has ever ceded and nor would I the right to pre-empt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America." Reminds me of this , which is a pretty good guide to the official GOP position on Kerry quotes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #84 October 20, 2004 QuoteI can't decide if you can't read, can't listen or can't understand simple English. Funny. I have the same thoughts about you. Sorry to have to break it to you but that is exactly what he wants. Pass the Global Test. Permission slip. Ask Daddy if we can retalliate after we get kicked in the nuts. Nah, not for me. Bush has it right on this issue. Work with the countries but never surrender the security of our homeland to someone else. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #85 October 20, 2004 Quote Funny. I have the same thoughts about you. That's all ya got? School yard, "I'm rubber, you're glue"? Pathetic. Come on . . . find me the quote tough guy. You can't.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #86 October 20, 2004 QuoteI can't decide if you can't read, can't listen or can't understand simple English. QuoteThat's all ya got? School yard, "I'm rubber, you're glue"? Pathetic. Come on . . . find me the quote tough guy. You can't. 1. Quade, your behavior is disgusting, borders on personal attack, and is unbecoming of a moderator. You guys are supposed to set the tone for this place, not drag it into the gutter. 2. You started it. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #87 October 20, 2004 Huh? Borders on personal attack? Where??? Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #88 October 20, 2004 QuoteBorders on personal attack I think you'd find that in the FICTION aisle.I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #89 October 20, 2004 QuoteI can't decide if you can't read, can't listen or can't understand simple English. Other's have been warned for almost exactly the same phrase. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #90 October 21, 2004 Jimbo . . . lemme say that if I've offended you or -anyone- else with the exception of the person to which the message was written, I'm not only sorry, but a bit ashamed of myself. Yes, perhaps I have, of late, stooped to a lower level when dealing with one particular individual. He, in particular, presses my buttons . Not so much in his attacks against me, but in his bullying of others. This is what set me off this time and like I said, I'm sorry if I offended anyone in the crossfire.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #91 October 21, 2004 QuoteI'm sorry if I offended anyone in the crossfire. I LOVE that show! They have these self-absorbed comedians on there from time to time who call the hosts "DICKS!" and stuff. The wierdo in the bowtie (best line of the recent Stewart appearance) even calls the invited guests "Buttmonkeys". It's so enlightening. Anybody up for robbing a crack dealer? I'm feeling frisky tonight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #92 October 21, 2004 QuoteAnybody up for robbing a crack dealer? I'm feeling frisky tonight. I'm in. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #93 October 21, 2004 Examples please... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakyrat 1 #94 October 21, 2004 Hey folks go to the blog site www.enjoythedraft.com and have a good laugh. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwmike 0 #95 October 21, 2004 QuoteJimbo . . . lemme say that if I've offended you or -anyone- else with the exception of the person to which the message was written, I'm not only sorry, but a bit ashamed of myself. Yes, perhaps I have, of late, stooped to a lower level when dealing with one particular individual. He, in particular, presses my buttons . Not so much in his attacks against me, but in his bullying of others. This is what set me off this time and like I said, I'm sorry if I offended anyone in the crossfire. I don't think you said anything out of line at all, bro. However take responsibility for what you think, how you feel and what you say. This pretty much falls under the "you made me angry" rationalization. Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #96 October 21, 2004 QuoteQuote The Dims are doing their usual here - playing on the ignorance of the populace to scare the hell out of them. Uh, yeah, the ONLY party doing that are the Democrats. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041019/D85QOUF80.html Get freekin' real. THIS part -will- come to pass if we don't fix our leaky borders. Quote""The biggest threat we face now as a nation is the possibility of terrorists ending up in the middle of one of our cities with deadlier weapons than have ever before been used against us " ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #97 October 21, 2004 Quote However take responsibility for what you think, how you feel and what you say. I thought I just did. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwmike 0 #98 October 21, 2004 QuoteQuote However take responsibility for what you think, how you feel and what you say. I thought I just did. What? With 'I'm sorry but he made me do it'? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #99 October 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteHe wants us to have to run to the UN and get permission from everyone before we act if we are attacked. Where dd you get that from? I'd really like to see a quote. “I am an internationalist. I would like to see our troops disperse through the world only at the directive of the United Nations.” - John Kerry, speaking to the Harvard Crimson as a candidate for Congress in 1972. Does that help clarify Kerry's ideology for you? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #100 October 21, 2004 Sure clears up what he thought 30 years ago regarding policing against the spread of communism. That sure is relevant Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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