ChasingBlueSky 0 #51 October 20, 2004 QuoteFunny, your president has been using scare tactics to get what he and his puppet masters want from the population. But let me guess, that is just good leadership........ You mean like having Cheny tell everyone yesterday that our biggest threat is a nuke or chemical agent in our biggest cities? Patriotism from fear - that is a very dangerous thing._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #52 October 20, 2004 I like Steak. With a baked potato, and a bottle of red wine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #53 October 20, 2004 I'm not convinced one way or another which side might bring in the draft. The right wingers say that everything is JUST FINE, DAMMIT in Iraq, so why would they change anything? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #54 October 20, 2004 QuoteYou mean like having Cheny tell everyone yesterday that our biggest threat is a nuke or chemical agent in our biggest cities? Patriotism from fear - that is a very dangerous thing. Or like telling them about an immediate thread and talking about mushroom clouds etc etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #55 October 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteI know that GWB has promised to only have an all volunteer service, but would you be willing to put up some of your hard earned cash that if he is re-elected at no time during his term in office that there will be a draft? If so, what odds are you giving me? 1000:1? Are you saying a Bush promise is no good? Would it help if he said: READ MY LIPS - No Draft? Let's not forget - he will be a lame duck - he will do anything he wants. In his 2000 RNC acceptance speech, Bush promised to make Social Security reform one of his priorities, and to put SocSec on a secure financial footing. So what did he do in 4 years with a Republican Congress? Plundered the surplus. That's how good a Bush promise is.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #56 October 20, 2004 QuoteI don't get it... first the left bashes the administration for not having enough contingency plans for Iraq, then when they DO start making plans for things that MAY or MAY NOT happen... they get bashed again? This is fuckin stupid, and you know it. Maybe because, for just once, we'd like Bush to be up front and honest about something, instead of lying constantly and then scrambling to justify his actions later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #57 October 20, 2004 QuoteMaybe because, for just once, we'd like Bush to be up front and honest about something, instead of lying constantly and then scrambling to justify his actions later. Is that the line the libs are using this week? Can't wait to hear which DNC manual page will be quoted next week. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #58 October 20, 2004 Quote also don't think it's anyone's duty to vote. I'd rather people who are uninformed don't vote because they know they're uninformed rather than voting because they "should." But you're fine with people voting who have been completely misinformed, as long as they're voting for your guy, right? Honestly, in a lot of peoples' opinions... that is exactly what most of these "vote or die" campaigns are... giving you a registration card, telling you Kerry won't get you killed and sending your misinformed ass out to vote. People should register to vote, then fulfill their duty to learn enough to form their own opinion. And for Quade, in the civilized world (Texas) we can register to vote at the DMV when we get our license. I also remember getting a registration card with my selective services packet. There's plenty of "neutral" places to register that have access to WAY more people than an rock concert.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #59 October 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteMaybe because, for just once, we'd like Bush to be up front and honest about something, instead of lying constantly and then scrambling to justify his actions later. Is that the line the libs are using this week? Can't wait to hear which DNC manual page will be quoted next week. Right, line, whatever. I've been saying that since he took office. He's broken every campaign promise and every promise he's made to the American people since taking office. I'm sick of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #60 October 20, 2004 QuoteHe's broken every campaign promise and every promise he's made to the American people since taking office. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. See, that's the beauty of this country. You can have your opinion despite how obscure and wrong it is. It's ok...you're allowed. You can complain and cry 24/7 about a man who is keeping you and your family safe. It's your right. Do as you please with it. Here's something for you, PhillyKev. I want to hold you to the fire. Answer yes or no for me if you can. Through all of your vast knowledge and how much you have studied politics...in your opinion...will Kerry win the election? Yes or no. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,600 #61 October 20, 2004 Quotea man who is keeping you and your family safe Give me a fucking break. I honestly believe he thinks that's what he's doing. I also honestly believe that he's doing nothing of the sort, because while he's strengthening the walls in some already-proven-to-be-inadequate places, he's also decreasing the number of countries who will help us keep an eye open for problems that they might see. Kind of the "well, fuck him, he brought it on himself" attitude that I hear about people who won't take advice on canopy loading, motorcycle sizing, and the like. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #62 October 20, 2004 Quote Through all of your vast knowledge and how much you have studied politics...in your opinion...will Kerry win the election? Yes or no. Oh, this coming from Mr. Gimme?!? What were the odds I asked you for, 100:1? I put up a buck and you pay me 100 if Kerry wins? Oh, wait, that's right, you think it's a total lock GWB is going to win yet you wimped out on backing it up with your cash. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1269914quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #63 October 20, 2004 Quote...Kind of the "well, fuck him, he brought it on himself" attitude that I hear about people who won't take advice on canopy loading, motorcycle sizing, and the like... The above are not victims...They DID bring it upon themselves. No one forced them to jump a tiny canopy or ride a Hayabusa. It's not the world's job to save you from yourself... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #64 October 20, 2004 Quote You can have your opinion despite how obscure and wrong it is. I've posted his list of broken promises before so I won't bother again, especially since you ignnore it. QuoteYou can complain and cry 24/7 about a man who is keeping you and your family safe. Who's that? It sure as hell isn't Bush. QuoteHere's something for you, PhillyKev. I want to hold you to the fire. Answer yes or no for me if you can. Through all of your vast knowledge and how much you have studied politics...in your opinion...will Kerry win the election? Yes or no. How the hell am I supposed to know that? All polls show a dead heat. In my opinion, Kerry should win and I can't understand why so many people buy into the fear and propaganda of Bush, but they do. You asked this before and seemed to think that not answering a question assertively based on a prediction of what everyone else is going to do on election day indicates something. I'm not sure what though. I'm sure you'll blast me not for not answering yes or no to your question. But you might as well ask me to answer what I think the next flip of a coin will result in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #65 October 20, 2004 You can't answer it because you know he won't win. Here...I'll put myself on the line. I am 100%, positively, absolutely sure beyond a shadow of a doubt based on my knowledge and research of politics and all the candidates involved that Bush will win. Funny...I don't see that kind of support from the liberals. I see them fearful of standing up and making a bold statement. It's because they aren't confident in their man. Oh well...thanks for at least attempting to answer it. I know those yes/no questions are confusing. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #66 October 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteHe's broken every campaign promise and every promise he's made to the American people since taking office. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. See, that's the beauty of this country. You can have your opinion despite how obscure and wrong it is. It's ok...you're allowed. You can complain and cry 24/7 about a man who is keeping you and your family safe. It's your right. Do as you please with it. Here's something for you, PhillyKev. I want to hold you to the fire. Answer yes or no for me if you can. Through all of your vast knowledge and how much you have studied politics...in your opinion...will Kerry win the election? Yes or no. Well, how do you explain away this broken promise? www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1307594#1307594 Also, how do you explain his statement "Big government is not the answer" in that speech with the enormous growth of government that he has given us, to the biggest government bureaucracy ever?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #67 October 20, 2004 Here's an idea. I'm sure it will upset some of the Kerry supporters (or should I just say, Anti-Bush people?) because it actually makes them look at the candidates' ideas instead of the BS rhetoric being thrown around from both sides. I will vote for Bush. Not because I am afraid that we'll get attacked again... we probably will no matter who's running the show. Not because I am a rich, white male... because I'm not rich. Not because I am on the inside of a vast corporation that people think is running the government decisions... because I'm not, and nothing would change if that were true and Kerry was president. I'm voting for Bush because I agree with many of his ideas on how this country should be run. I think I can do a better job investing my social security on my own. I think that we don't need our hands tied by the UN when we decide (with congressional approval) that we need to act. I think that making America strong economically DOES stem from better educating our youth. These are just some of the issues I agree with, and I think Bush has a better idea to make them happen. How about that... maybe... JUST MAYBE... some people think AND support Bush. It's not all about fear-mongering... which is done on both sides.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #68 October 20, 2004 Quote I am 100%, positively, absolutely sure beyond a shadow of a doubt based on my knowledge and research of politics and all the candidates involved that Bush will win. Ok here - Kerry will win. My opinon. Happy? Now what the hell does that have to do with anything? Kev said it right - it's like saying "I am 100% sure based on all my statistical research that when I flip this coin it will be tails!"_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #69 October 20, 2004 QuoteYou can't answer it because you know he won't win. No, I can't answer because I don't know if he'll win. QuoteI am 100%, positively, absolutely sure beyond a shadow of a doubt based on my knowledge and research of politics and all the candidates involved that Bush will win. Wow, very modest of you considering no political experts will make teh same claim. QuoteFunny...I don't see that kind of support from the liberals. I see them fearful of standing up and making a bold statement. You, Bush and your ilk are good at making bold statements with no basis in reality. Claiming a guess in the face of a statistical dead heat to be fact however seems to be right along the lines of what your man Bush does. QuoteOh well...thanks for at least attempting to answer it. I know those yes/no questions are confusing. I'm not confused in the slightest. You're asking a question to which I nor you know the answer to. You choose to select an answer and claim it to be fact. I choose to be realistic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #70 October 20, 2004 QuoteYou're asking a question to which I nor you know the answer to. You don't know who you think will win based on your research of this year's election? You haven't payed attention to anything political this year concerning the candidates? You missed all the debates? You have no clue where they stand in the pollings? Wow. Maybe next election you can pay closer attention so you can make an educated guess. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,600 #71 October 20, 2004 Quote...Kind of the "well, fuck him, he brought it on himself" attitude that I hear about people who won't take advice on canopy loading, motorcycle sizing, and the like... QuoteThe above are not victims...They DID bring it upon themselves. No one forced them to jump a tiny canopy or ride a Hayabusa. It's not the world's job to save you from yourself No, it isn't. But people who take advice tend to stay safer; people who isolate themselves from advice get less help, and end up more exposed in the wrong one. Personally, I'd rather my country took advice from other countries as well as from people inside it. Very strongly so. Not being dictated to, just listen to something besides what you want to hear, and pay enough respect that others will watch your back, too. The people of the US are the victims of bad judgement on the part of the leadership, just as the spectators at demos are sometimes the victims of bad judgement in skydiving. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #72 October 20, 2004 QuoteI'm not confused in the slightest. You're asking a question to which I nor you know the answer to. You choose to select an answer and claim it to be fact. I choose to be realistic. That's crap and you know it. Have you forgotten GOD told Bush he'd win? His is a divine presidency.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #73 October 20, 2004 Nope, doesn't upset me at all. I'm glad that you're voting on the issues not the rhetoric. I wish more people would. But the fact is that most don't. Obviously the people who particpate in this forum and enjoy the political discussions are more in step with actual issues than the average citizen. I just wish people who did care about the issues would realize that what they want from Bush, they will never get. You won't be able to invest SS on yoru own. He said he was going to do that 4 years ago, it was the cornerstone of his campaign. He hadn't even brought it up again except to promise it again. No one ever said we should let the UN tie our hands. I'm not sure why you think this is a Bush vs. Kerry issue. There's a difference between working with the UN and employing their assistance to achieve a peaceful resolution and giving them control over our policies. I also believe better education helps make us stronger economically. But Bush sucks on education. Education has always been one of the strong points of the democratic party. Bush's "Reading Initiative" is virtually identical to the one that Clinton got passed. his "Education Initiative" was written by Joe Lieberman and Evan Bayh (democrats), his "Special Education Reform Commission" is staffed by members of The New Democrat Progressive Policy Institute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #74 October 20, 2004 QuoteYou don't know who you think will win based on your research of this year's election? Nope, nor does any political expert in the country...well, except you. QuoteYou have no clue where they stand in the pollings? Yep, neither with 270 electoral votes wrapped up and enough swing states for either one of them to get elected. QuoteMaybe next election you can pay closer attention so you can make an educated guess. Well, if you just want an educated guess, then I'll say Kerry will win. I'm 50.0000001% sure of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #75 October 20, 2004 QuoteNo one ever said we should let the UN tie our hands. I'm not sure why you think this is a Bush vs. Kerry issue. Because Kerry said so in the debate. He wants us to have to run to the UN and get permission from everyone before we act if we are attacked. Not me. Bush has the same mentality I do. Work with other countries if we can but we will not hand over the safety of our country to the UN. If we are attacked we will fight back. Not Kerry. We have to pass the Global Test. We have to go to the UN with a permission slip before we can defend ourselves. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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