GOP tells Rock the Vote to shut up

[TheAnvil 0]

Quade, I don't want you risking any money, so here's what I'll do. Let's say nothing happens that dramatically alters the state of world affairs - I'm talking huge here, such as a Chinese declaration of war against the US, European declaration of war against the US, WMD attack on US soil, etc. If no such event occurs during GWB's presidency I'll send a check for US$1000 to Cancer Research Institute or Catholic Medical Mission Board or St. Jude's Children's Research Hospital in YOUR name if non-volunteer U.S. civilians are forced into service en masse against their will to bear arms on the battlefield against our enemies. No need to reciprocate - my treat.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[Trent 0]

I don't get it... first the left bashes the administration for not having enough contingency plans for Iraq, then when they DO start making plans for things that MAY or MAY NOT happen... they get bashed again? This is fuckin stupid, and you know it.

As for Rock The Vote, you and I know that it is a left leaning cause hiding behind MTV. While their politics could mean shit to me, what they're trying to do is noble... register young voters. What they're ALSO trying to do is present issues to these young voters without being objective. It is wrong to tell kids to vote for Kerry if they don't want to get drafted... and whether you'll admit it or not... that's what they're doing.

As for the lawsuit.... I dunno... if there's grounds legally for that... go ahead, use the tool of the left against them. Otherwise, I'd see if I couldn't educate the Britney Spears generation to the truth somehow.

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[lummy 4]

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It is wrong to tell kids to vote for Kerry if they don't want to get drafted... and whether you'll admit it or not... that's what they're doing.

Maybe I've missed that commercial or something but I don't recall Rock the Vote telling anyone to vote for one candidate or another. I do remember seeing ads to the effect of " if it concerns you (the draft, or other issues pertaining to young voters) you should let your voice be heard by voting" .

Since both candidates are saying they're against a draft, I'm not getting the correlation.

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[Trent 0]

Although both candidates have said that they're against a draft... the Kerry campaign has LIED about Bush's position on it. You know that more than once they've implied that Bush will reinstate the draft.

Even given that... if both candidates are opposed to the draft, why would Rock the Vote be making it an issue? Hmmmm?

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[Vallerina 2]

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It is wrong to tell kids to vote for Kerry if they don't want to get drafted... and whether you'll admit it or not... that's what they're doing.

Lots of groups do that, though. Whenever anyone tries to get you to register to vote, they have an agenda.

There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning

[lummy 4]

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if both candidates are opposed to the draft, why would Rock the Vote be making it an issue?

maybe because it's a campaign issue that's important to young voters?

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[Trent 0]

Yeah, so? I never said I thought that was a good thing. Back to the subject....

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[Trent 0]

Here... one more time.... IF BOTH CANDIDATES OPPOSE THE DRAFT, why should anyone be making it an issue? Sounds like unless you're lobbying FOR the draft... there's no argument here.

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[Vallerina 2]

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Yeah, so? I never said I thought that was a good thing. Back to the subject....

So, should nobody sit out there trying to register voters then unless they discuss zero political issues? What happens to one group (Rock the Vote) should happen to all. Women's organizations try to register women voters and discuss their reproductive rights. Organic food companies try to register voters and discuss how political leaders can harm the environment. Rock the Vote isn't the only group to do this. Should they all shut down?

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[Keith 0]

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Here... one more time.... IF BOTH CANDIDATES OPPOSE THE DRAFT, why should anyone be making it an issue? Sounds like unless you're lobbying FOR the draft... there's no argument here.

BECAUSE BUSH IS A LIAR

Keith

Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville

[Trent 0]

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BECAUSE BUSH IS A LIAR

BRILLIANT!!! I forgot all about that!

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[lummy 4]

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Here... one more time.... IF BOTH CANDIDATES OPPOSE THE DRAFT, why should anyone be making it an issue? Sounds like unless you're lobbying FOR the draft... there's no argument here.
Trent

unless I'm mistaken, there are 3 or 4 draft measures in congress as I type. I'm also pretty sure the bills have been introduced from both parties. I've also heard talk of concern about a draft months before either candidate made their position known. I've also seen the ad's from Rock the Vote months before either candidate made their position known..

But hey, it's all a liberal media conspiracy to affect the election, isn't it?

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[Trent 0]

Registering to vote shouldn't be a political thing.

So you're telling me that getting people to register, then swaying their view with misinformation is okay?

"REGISTER TO VOTE (for Kerry) IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET DRAFTED!!"

I'm glad you're okay with that logic.

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[lummy 4]

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Registering to vote shouldn't be a political thing.

You're kidding... right?

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[Keith 0]

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Registering to vote shouldn't be a political thing.

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You're kidding... right?

I dunno? He did forget Bush is a liar.

Keith

Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville

[Vallerina 2]

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So you're telling me that getting people to register, then swaying their view with misinformation is okay?

No, I didn't say that at all. However, politicians do what you just said all the time (has anybody here actually invested their social security as they wish as George W. promised 4 yrs ago?)

Talking about the possibility of the draft is being done on radio/tv shows. It's no surprise that it's being done anywhere else. Discussing the possibility of it shouldn't be censored. It's much like Planned Parenthood registering voters while telling them that John Ashcroft has a strong stance against abortion, and he may try to make abortions illegal. They're not saying, "Vote for Kerry if you don't want your babies!!!" They're saying, "There's a possibility that your reproductive rights will lessen if you vote for Bush."

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[quade 4]

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Registering to vote shouldn't be a political thing.

This has got to be one of the best quotes from Speakers Corner -- ever.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Trent 0]

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unless I'm mistaken, there are 3 or 4 draft measures in congress as I type. I'm also pretty sure the bills have been introduced from both parties.

And the last one that came up only got 2 votes. BIG issue.

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also heard talk of concern about a draft months before either candidate made their position known.

Evidently, it wasn't true... remember the vote and positions we've seen since? Non-issue.

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I've also seen the ad's from Rock the Vote months before either candidate made their position known..

And I've seen them now that (as you say) we know both candidates' position on it. So is it still an issue? Really? Seems like IF it passed, it'd get vetoed no matter what. So why continue to make it an issue?? To push an agenda based on lies??? Noooo... not the libs!!

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But hey, it's all a liberal media conspiracy to affect the election, isn't it?

Not as big a conspiracy as the evil conservative/oil/iraq deal. But seriously, MTV has picked sides, can't you see that?

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[Trent 0]

So, after you're done with your self-indulgent self-righteous chortling at my comment... tell me that you think that people should register to vote solely for the reason that MTV or the GOP tells you to, and not because it's your right, YOUR DUTY, as an American to do so.

I know I registered to vote when I turned 18 because I wanted to have a say... not to vote for or against Dole or Clinton.

Get over yourselves, registering to vote shouldn't have anything to do with how you or other people are planning to vote.

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[Vallerina 2]

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tell me that you think that people should register to vote solely for the reason that MTV or the GOP tells you to, and not because it's your right, YOUR DUTY, as an American to do so.

I also don't think it's anyone's duty to vote. I'd rather people who are uninformed don't vote because they know they're uninformed rather than voting because they "should."

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[lummy 4]

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But seriously, MTV has picked sides, can't you see that?

Honestly, I don't watch MTV enough to make that determination. Maybe they have chosen sides and are going with Kerry, I don't know. I can say that I can't come to that conclusion based solely on "Rock the Vote" ads. If I had to decide based solely on the RtV, I could only come to the conclusion they are neutral.

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[quade 4]

Well, unless you went down to the actual office of the register of voters (or whatever it may be called in your local area), then you probably did sign up at a table put up by one political camp or another.

That's not to say that's -why- you registered, but political groups have pretty much always set up voter registration tables; Democrats, Republicans, you name it -- now MTV. Almost all the voter registration tables I've ever seen in my life have been set up this way. They attract the attention of the people that agree with them and make sure those people are registered to vote.

BTW, it's not self-indugent chortling at your comment . . . all by itself, its just plain funny.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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I know that GWB has promised to only have an all volunteer service, but would you be willing to put up some of your hard earned cash that if he is re-elected at no time during his term in office that there will be a draft?

If so, what odds are you giving me? 1000:1?

Are you saying a Bush promise is no good?

Would it help if he said: READ MY LIPS - No Draft?

Let's not forget - he will be a lame duck - he will do anything he wants.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

Funny, your president has been using scare tactics to get what he and his puppet masters want from the population. But let me guess, that is just good leadership........

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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I don't get it... first the left bashes the administration for not having enough contingency plans for Iraq, then when they DO start making plans for things that MAY or MAY NOT happen... they get bashed again? This is fuckin stupid, and you know it.

Because lack of planning has brought us to the point where we may need a draft. Kids will have to die because of GWs fuckups. If they wanted to be in the military supporting his decisions, they would already be enlisted.

We are spread so thin right now that if something big was to happen elsewhere, we wouldn't have the resources in troops to support a second major front.

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