GOP tells Rock the Vote to shut up

[billvon 3,131]

So on 10/13, the RNC sent a "cease and desist" letter to the "Rock the Vote" foundation, telling them that their statements that people should worry about the draft is preopsterous and is being done "with malicious intent and reckless disregard for the truth", a letter that basically lays the legal groundwork for a lawsuit.

Today:

U.S. Has Contingency Plans for a Draft of Medical Workers
By ROBERT PEAR

Published: October 19, 2004

WASHINGTON, Oct. 18 - The Selective Service has been updating its contingency plans for a draft of doctors, nurses and other health care workers in case of a national emergency that overwhelms the military's medical corps.

In a confidential report this summer, a contractor hired by the agency described how such a draft might work, how to secure compliance and how to mold public opinion and communicate with health care professionals, whose lives could be disrupted.

On the one hand, the report said, the Selective Service System should establish contacts in advance with medical societies, hospitals, schools of medicine and nursing, managed care organizations, rural health care providers and the editors of medical journals and trade publications.

On the other hand, it said, such contacts must be limited, low key and discreet because "overtures from Selective Service to the medical community will be seen as precursors to a draft," and that could alarm the public.

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In a recent article in The Wisconsin Medical Journal, published by the state medical society, Col. Roger A. Lalich, a senior physician in the Army National Guard, said: "It appears that a general draft is not likely to occur. A physician draft is the most likely conscription into the military in the near future."

Since 2003, the Selective Service has said it is shifting its preparations for a draft in a national crisis toward narrow sectors of specialists, including medical personnel.
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This is a great tool! I can think of a lot of lawsuits the GOP could start:

-Threaten scientists who say CO2 concentrations are increasing in the atmosphere.

-Tell reporters they will be sued if they say anything bad about the Iraq war.

-Sue veterans groups who oppose Bush's policies.

Why didn't they think of this years ago? Voters would rest so much easier if they didn't hear all of this bitter opposition to our rulers.

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George Orwell just had his dates mixed up by about 20 years.

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George Orwell just had his dates mixed up by about 20 years.

No offence intended, but it's kinda funny to hear someone with such a libera standpoint compare the consevitive party of something Orwellian.

Of course that's why I stradle the fence.......

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Of course that's why I stradle the fence.......

Jeez.. Doesn't that hurt?

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[TheAnvil 0]

Ahhh...so now the existence of contingency plans equates to plans for a draft. This is a pathetic scare attempt by the left. Nothing new. They try and scare seniors every year with SS/Medicare. Now they're trying to scare younger folks with 'the draft is coming! The Draft is coming!' The left-wingers know the draft isn't coming. They know that the only folks who voted for Rangel's idiotic bill were Democrats. They know that the average American is a moron and will believe the lies they tell them, so they cower behind such lies as I've already mentioned in order to motivate folks to vote for them. Pathetic.

Vinny the Anvil
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[rushmc 23]

The "best" law that could be applied to political adds and statements would be the same "Truth In Advertising". Tell the truth or get sued. Misleading adds or out and out lies should end you up in court.

Of course you can usually get around those laws by including the phrase "In my opinion"

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[billvon 3,131]

>This is a pathetic scare attempt by the left.

?? Who's trying to scare who? The draft board is drawing up contingency plans to draft doctors. That's a fact, not a scare tactic. Will that lead to a selective draft? Unlikely, but possible. Bush has misled people about such things before - remember "we will run a deficit that is small and short-lived?" The only absurd thing going on here is a political party threatening to sue people who talk about the possibility.

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No offence intended, but it's kinda funny to hear someone with such a libera standpoint compare the consevitive party of something Orwellian.

Compare the world of Winston Smith to what you see around you.

I'm sorry if you can not see the two lines of thought becoming parallel.

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Kerry stated that he would add 40,000 people to the armed forces......uh...uh....how would he do that exactly????

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Kerry stated that he would add 40,000 people to the armed forces......uh...uh....how would he do that exactly????

By increasing the number of divisions that we employ. Not everyone who applies to be in the armed forces gets in. I think we could easily fill another 2 Divisions of the voluntary army. It's all about what you want to pay for.


You're implying that Kerry would be the one to bring back the draft. You don't need a draft for 2 Divisions.

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Just curious then, how do you do that ... by lowering standard?

Kerry says he wants to double special forces. (does he mean Special Operational Forces or Special Forces -- good lord if he wants to be commander in chief, I hope he knows the difference) If he means SF -- how will he do that??? Again, lower the standard?

BTW I was in 5th Special Forces from 1977 -1980.

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I'm sorry if you can not see the two lines of thought becoming parallel.

You are not sorry! You are pointing and laughing! Shouting things like "Hey Short Bus!"

They're coming for you next, Q. Gonna make you work for USO.

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Ahhh...so now the existence of contingency plans equates to plans for a draft.

Compare and contrast the words highlighted.

ALso on todays quiz, when is a "plan" not a "plan"?

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ALso on todays quiz, when is a "plan" not a "plan"?

I can think of 1 example: When Kerry continuously says "We have a plan", and never quite outlines the "plan".

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Andy

Have you ever thought about an evacuation "plan" for you and P. in case a fire broke out?

I have, and I think you have, too.

Does that mean you and I should be accused of planning to evacuate our houses tomorrow?

A contingency plan is not the same thing as getting ready to do something.

I swear, don't you make me break out the word "nuance."

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They're coming for you next, Q. Gonna make you work for USO.

Let them. I'd gladly work for the USO.

No what I'm really talking about has -nothing- to do with the labels that SoCal JP was hurling at me. It has more to do with the sloganization of the war, government intrusion into our private lives, the Patriot Act . . . stuff like that.

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[TheAnvil 0]

DoJ has PLANS for prosecuting organized crime in St. Louis - does that equate to PLANS for a draft? DoD has PLANS for recruiting next year - does that equate to PLANS for a draft? Come to think of it, I've got PLANS to get really drunk tonight! Does THAT equate to PLANS for a draft? sKerry has a PLAN to do virtually anything and everything under the sun for America in the next four years in case a catastrophe occurs and he's elected (never mind that he couldn't do jack shit in 20 years as a Senator). Is that PLANning for a draft?

The answer to all of the above questions is NO. DoD has files and files and files of contingency plans - developed at different war colleges, think tanks, and internally - for many different things. Having contingency plans is a GOOD thing. In fact, there are contingency plans for a draft - the article Bill posted describes one of many, I'm sure. The one described therein was for a national emergency - let's say simultaneous biological attacks - in which the nation's military medical corps was overwhelmed. You DON'T want the government forming contingency PLANs for such things? Odd form of patriotism you have there, but to each his own. I prefer such contingency plans to be in existence and re-hashed every so often with as much input from knowledgable parties as possible.

The Dims are doing their usual here - playing on the ignorance of the populace to scare the hell out of them. They do it every election year to our elderly with regards to MEDICARE and Social Security. This time their targeting young folks with 'the draft'. Paaaaaathetic. The fact that this scare has actually been taken seriously is a testament to the failure of the American education system. (Thanks NEA! Who did the NEA endorse again? sKerry? What a surprise!)

Stating there are conscription plans that will be executed immediately or shortly following a Bush re-election is absurd and an outright lie. However, I'm surprised GWB's folks did state that to Rock the Vote, as they should be accustomed to such lies by now. I have no problem with them doing so, however.

Tell me, Bill, was sKerry's letter to TV stations airing SwiftVet ads laying the grounds for a lawsuit? How about his & his staff's letters to Sinclair Broadcasting? To book stores carrying UNFIT FOR COMMAND? And speaking of lawsuits - why hasn't sKerry sued Mr. O'Neill yet? After all - Mr. O'Neill openly invited him to do so if he had a problem with either the book OR the ads OR Mr. O'Neill's statements. Why hasn't he, I wonder? sKerry wouldn't have to be personally involved - just hire an attorney to place the lawsuit on his behalf. It' CAN'T be because Mrs. Kerry couldn't afford a good lawyer for her hubby, now. So WHY?

Oh, so much fun. However, I digress. This draft scare stuff is bullshit. Believe it if it makes you feel better.

Vinny the Anvil
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Have you ever thought about an evacuation "plan" for you and P. in case a fire broke out?

I have, and I think you have, too.

Does that mean you and I should be accused of planning to evacuate our houses tomorrow?

Who added the word "tomorrow"?
If you have an evacuation plan, then you have planned an evacuation. If the military is planning a limited draft, they are planning a limited draft. There's nothing in that statement suggesting a timeline for implementation.

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[billvon 3,131]

> DoD has PLANS for recruiting next year - does that equate to PLANS
>for a draft? . . . The answer to all of the above questions is NO.

I agree. Now imagine you got a letter from a local lawyer saying that unless you stop discussing the draft on the Internet, you may be subject to a lawsuit - because the discussion is harming a local politiican's chances for re-election. What would your reaction be? Would you say "yes, good point, I shall stop discussion of something that might make people think about the draft issue?"

>You DON'T want the government forming contingency PLANs for such
> things? Odd form of patriotism you have there . . .

You don't want them discussed? Odd version of free speech you believe in there.

>I prefer such contingency plans to be in existence and re-hashed
> every so often with as much input from knowledgable parties as
> possible.

And I prefer they be both re-hashed and discussed.

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The Dims are doing their usual here - playing on the ignorance of the populace to scare the hell out of them.

Uh, yeah, the ONLY party doing that are the Democrats.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041019/D85QOUF80.html

Get freekin' real.

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I agree. Now imagine you got a letter from a local lawyer saying that unless you stop discussing the draft on the Internet, you may be subject to a lawsuit. What would your reaction be? Would you say "yes, good point, I shall stop discussion of something that might make people think about the draft issue?"

Why, no, of course not. I would immediately get their email address and type it into every website possible asking them to send me information on their products. Then print out a copy of the first ammendment, bar rule #11, my ass, and a picture of Bubba Clinton and fax it to them. The lawyer, being a J.D., would undoubtedly see the error of his ways and stop being a moron...or face the consequences.

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You don't want them discussed? Odd version of free speech you believe in there.

Au contraire Monsieur BillVon...read below, si'l vous'plait....

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>I prefer such contingency plans to be in existence and re-hashed
> every so often with as much input from knowledgable parties as
> possible.

And I prefer they be both re-hashed and discussed.

That's exactly what was happening.

This left wing scare tactic is paaaathetic.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[billvon 3,131]

>That's exactly what was happening.

Ah, I think you may have misread the original post then. The GOP, not the DNC, is threatening to sue Rock the Vote unless they stop talking about the planning for the draft.

>This left wing scare tactic is paaaathetic.

See above; the right wing is the one making the threats.

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From dictionary.com:

con·tin·gen·cy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kn-tnjn-s)
n. pl. con·tin·gen·cies

1.An event that may occur but that is not likely or intended; a possibility.

2.A possibility that must be prepared for; a future emergency.

3.The condition of being dependent on chance; uncertainty.
Something incidental to something else.



Oh the contingency stories I could tell would fuel the paranoids/dems for centuries

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[TheAnvil 0]

Nyet, Komrade BillVon. Rock the Vote was not discussing the issue - Rock the Vote was maliciously misrepresenting the issue, as you well know, in an attempt to scare younger voters.

Diiiiisgusting.

Vinny the Anvil
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JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

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I know that GWB has promised to only have an all volunteer service, but would you be willing to put up some of your hard earned cash that if he is re-elected at no time during his term in office that there will be a draft?

If so, what odds are you giving me? 1000:1?

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