DrunkMonkey 0 #1 October 19, 2004 Until this election shit is over!!! I plan on being nowhere near a TV or radio all election day evening...I REALLY DON'T CARE ANYMORE!!!= Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #2 October 19, 2004 So, then, I guess I can say anything I'd like to in this thread and you're not going to see it until after the election? quade lays in wait, to see if the prey, takes the bait. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites storm1977 0 #3 October 19, 2004 WOW only 14 more days.... Didn't even realize it. BTW- You do realize non of this will end then right. If Kerry is elected, the right will criticize everything he does. If Bush is elected the left will bitch about how he lost the popular vote in the first election.... ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #4 October 19, 2004 good choice. the media did a suck-ass job last time, and you probably could have gotten a better picture of the election by watching your refrigerator than your TV. remember how they would report that one candidate had "won" a given state, after only 5% of the votes had been cast, and then they'd just flip-flop back & forth as more people cast their votes? apparently accurate reporting is less important than being first . I wonder if they'll pull the same shit this time. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites storm1977 0 #5 October 19, 2004 Quotegood choice. the media did a suck-ass job last time, and you probably could have gotten a better picture of the election by watching your refrigerator than your TV. remember how they would report that one candidate had "won" a given state, after only 5% of the votes had been cast, and then they'd just flip-flop back & forth as more people cast their votes? apparently accurate reporting is less important than being first . I wonder if they'll pull the same shit this time. I don't think so..they got a lot of shit last time around.I will be interested to see if there is any speculation this time. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #6 October 19, 2004 Well, I know this is going to sound a lot like I'm defending the news, but it's a bit like that thread PJ put up a day or so ago, ya gotta read the label, or to be more accurate, listen to the disclaimers, which will say something to the effect of, "with x% of precincts reporting, XYZ News is predicting a win for _______". This, by the way, makes sense. They are reporting the trends in data. I'll admit the wording could be a lot different, but that's the way it's been done for decades, not just the last election.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #7 October 19, 2004 It only mattered in the last election because it was so close. The universal prayer in the Elections Division of every county in the United States is: Pray for a landslide I worked as an administrator (deputy department head) in the Registrar's office of a big California county for just over two years. I know a little about putting on elections and the rules that regulate them. It is a messy business and fairly easy to tamper with. This one is going to be horrible. Not in California, which electorally is easy for Kerry, but in the 50-50 states like Florida. Paul, Kerry has already won in the state we live in. Do a happy dance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #8 October 19, 2004 Quote remember how they would report that one candidate had "won" a given state, after only 5% of the votes had been cast, and then they'd just flip-flop back & forth as more people cast their votes? apparently accurate reporting is less important than being first . Calling the state with 5% recorded (not cast!) coupled with exit polling is usually pretty accurate. So long as the polls are closed, it hurts nothing for Fox or CBS to call a winner immediately. In the Clinton years I believed they all called the winner at 8:01 PST, as soon as the west coast closed. The problem with Florida last time was that the panhandle was still open. Though personally I'd think it would be best if they would hold until we're done on this side of the country. That would mean staying up past midnight on the east coast, but well, you already do that for football. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #9 October 19, 2004 Quote Paul, Kerry has already won in the state we live in. Do a happy dance. Hey, Gore won in the state we live in and I wasn't happy about the final result of that election. I'll save my happy dance for when one of my guys actually wins. BTW, to all of those in the "states that don't matter", PLEASE go out and vote anyway. There are lots of other issues to vote on.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #10 October 19, 2004 QuoteBTW, to all of those in the "states that don't matter", PLEASE go out and vote anyway. That's right. And don't forget, people, that because of the enormous amount of voters expected they are asking all democrats vote on Nov. 3. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #11 October 19, 2004 Quote BTW, to all of those in the "states that don't matter", PLEASE go out and vote anyway. There are lots of other issues to vote on. Like Indian gambling! It was somewhat amusing - while much of the country was suffering the barrage of nonstop Kerry and Bush ads, we in California got treated to misleading ads from racetrack and casino owners. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #12 October 20, 2004 >Pray for a landslide While I think Bush will win, I think it will be one of the closest elections we've seen in a long time. The fighting will go on for months. From MSN Slate, the five ways it could happen are: - Voting glitches involving electronic or other voting machines - Litigation over which provisional ballots are valid - A fight over the Colorado amendment to split the electoral vote - A tie in the electoral college or a faithless elector - A terrorist attack that disrupts voting in a swing state Won't that be a fun few months? Might be a good time to go on a long hike in the Anza-Borrego desert. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ltdiver 3 #13 October 20, 2004 QuoteWhile I think Bush will win Really?! Didn't know you saw it this way. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #14 October 20, 2004 >Really?! Didn't know you saw it this way. It's incredibly close now, and the Bush campaign holds all the cards. A Rovian october suprise - a piece of intelligence released or not released - an 'emergency' presidential address - I can't see Kerry being able to counter that. Of course, it could still go either way, but if I was into betting I'd put my money on Bush. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #15 October 20, 2004 QuoteWon't that be a fun few months? Might be a good time to go on a long hike in the Anza-Borrego desert. Interestingly, only because I had to do it, is the absentee ballot counting in a county that has converted to touch screens. Touch screen machines have a variety of media they transmit voter data to. Then that data is transmitted into the tabulation computer. With few exceptions, it's paperless. In California voters can register as permanent absentee voters and vote by mail. They get paper ballots which they fill out and mail back to the county registrar's office. These ballots are then signature checked against the signature on the registration file (the signature checking criteria are very liberal, always in favor of counting the vote), and if found valid are counted either manually or mechanically. The paper ballot votes are usually counted on a system independent of the polling place data. For anyone who has the time, either volunteer to assist your registrar on election night, or go down to the office to observe the process. They have to let you, so long as you don't create a ruckus. It is byzantine. All the ballots are collected into the voting precincts, and there may be thousands in your particular county. The count on election night is preliminary and unofficial. The "official" results are not completed for about a month, as every precinct is recounted. The official count is where things can get wonky. California leaves plenty of time for stuff like provisional ballot disputes, etc. Texas, as an example, certifies their vote in an absurdly short time. When they reach that deadline, they are done counting. Whatever they have at that moment is what the result of the vote is. This is where the legal wrangling will be weirderer. The states do not count their votes the same ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #16 October 20, 2004 so, it seems that in this presidential election, people are a lot more fired up than usual. would the rest of you agree with that? also, do you think that it will translate into higher-than-usual turnout at the polls?? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,589 #17 October 20, 2004 Quotetranslate into higher-than-usual turnout at the polls I know that early voting turnout is quite high here in the Houston area -- hopefully that'll translate into good, educated turnout overall. There's a lot to vote on besides the Presidential election. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigway 4 #18 October 20, 2004 considering this election determines alot for the rest of the world, do you think i can vote? i would vote for martin sheen, he makes a good president .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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quade 4 #2 October 19, 2004 So, then, I guess I can say anything I'd like to in this thread and you're not going to see it until after the election? quade lays in wait, to see if the prey, takes the bait. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #3 October 19, 2004 WOW only 14 more days.... Didn't even realize it. BTW- You do realize non of this will end then right. If Kerry is elected, the right will criticize everything he does. If Bush is elected the left will bitch about how he lost the popular vote in the first election.... ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #4 October 19, 2004 good choice. the media did a suck-ass job last time, and you probably could have gotten a better picture of the election by watching your refrigerator than your TV. remember how they would report that one candidate had "won" a given state, after only 5% of the votes had been cast, and then they'd just flip-flop back & forth as more people cast their votes? apparently accurate reporting is less important than being first . I wonder if they'll pull the same shit this time. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #5 October 19, 2004 Quotegood choice. the media did a suck-ass job last time, and you probably could have gotten a better picture of the election by watching your refrigerator than your TV. remember how they would report that one candidate had "won" a given state, after only 5% of the votes had been cast, and then they'd just flip-flop back & forth as more people cast their votes? apparently accurate reporting is less important than being first . I wonder if they'll pull the same shit this time. I don't think so..they got a lot of shit last time around.I will be interested to see if there is any speculation this time. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 October 19, 2004 Well, I know this is going to sound a lot like I'm defending the news, but it's a bit like that thread PJ put up a day or so ago, ya gotta read the label, or to be more accurate, listen to the disclaimers, which will say something to the effect of, "with x% of precincts reporting, XYZ News is predicting a win for _______". This, by the way, makes sense. They are reporting the trends in data. I'll admit the wording could be a lot different, but that's the way it's been done for decades, not just the last election.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #7 October 19, 2004 It only mattered in the last election because it was so close. The universal prayer in the Elections Division of every county in the United States is: Pray for a landslide I worked as an administrator (deputy department head) in the Registrar's office of a big California county for just over two years. I know a little about putting on elections and the rules that regulate them. It is a messy business and fairly easy to tamper with. This one is going to be horrible. Not in California, which electorally is easy for Kerry, but in the 50-50 states like Florida. Paul, Kerry has already won in the state we live in. Do a happy dance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #8 October 19, 2004 Quote remember how they would report that one candidate had "won" a given state, after only 5% of the votes had been cast, and then they'd just flip-flop back & forth as more people cast their votes? apparently accurate reporting is less important than being first . Calling the state with 5% recorded (not cast!) coupled with exit polling is usually pretty accurate. So long as the polls are closed, it hurts nothing for Fox or CBS to call a winner immediately. In the Clinton years I believed they all called the winner at 8:01 PST, as soon as the west coast closed. The problem with Florida last time was that the panhandle was still open. Though personally I'd think it would be best if they would hold until we're done on this side of the country. That would mean staying up past midnight on the east coast, but well, you already do that for football. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 October 19, 2004 Quote Paul, Kerry has already won in the state we live in. Do a happy dance. Hey, Gore won in the state we live in and I wasn't happy about the final result of that election. I'll save my happy dance for when one of my guys actually wins. BTW, to all of those in the "states that don't matter", PLEASE go out and vote anyway. There are lots of other issues to vote on.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #10 October 19, 2004 QuoteBTW, to all of those in the "states that don't matter", PLEASE go out and vote anyway. That's right. And don't forget, people, that because of the enormous amount of voters expected they are asking all democrats vote on Nov. 3. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #11 October 19, 2004 Quote BTW, to all of those in the "states that don't matter", PLEASE go out and vote anyway. There are lots of other issues to vote on. Like Indian gambling! It was somewhat amusing - while much of the country was suffering the barrage of nonstop Kerry and Bush ads, we in California got treated to misleading ads from racetrack and casino owners. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #12 October 20, 2004 >Pray for a landslide While I think Bush will win, I think it will be one of the closest elections we've seen in a long time. The fighting will go on for months. From MSN Slate, the five ways it could happen are: - Voting glitches involving electronic or other voting machines - Litigation over which provisional ballots are valid - A fight over the Colorado amendment to split the electoral vote - A tie in the electoral college or a faithless elector - A terrorist attack that disrupts voting in a swing state Won't that be a fun few months? Might be a good time to go on a long hike in the Anza-Borrego desert. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #13 October 20, 2004 QuoteWhile I think Bush will win Really?! Didn't know you saw it this way. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #14 October 20, 2004 >Really?! Didn't know you saw it this way. It's incredibly close now, and the Bush campaign holds all the cards. A Rovian october suprise - a piece of intelligence released or not released - an 'emergency' presidential address - I can't see Kerry being able to counter that. Of course, it could still go either way, but if I was into betting I'd put my money on Bush. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #15 October 20, 2004 QuoteWon't that be a fun few months? Might be a good time to go on a long hike in the Anza-Borrego desert. Interestingly, only because I had to do it, is the absentee ballot counting in a county that has converted to touch screens. Touch screen machines have a variety of media they transmit voter data to. Then that data is transmitted into the tabulation computer. With few exceptions, it's paperless. In California voters can register as permanent absentee voters and vote by mail. They get paper ballots which they fill out and mail back to the county registrar's office. These ballots are then signature checked against the signature on the registration file (the signature checking criteria are very liberal, always in favor of counting the vote), and if found valid are counted either manually or mechanically. The paper ballot votes are usually counted on a system independent of the polling place data. For anyone who has the time, either volunteer to assist your registrar on election night, or go down to the office to observe the process. They have to let you, so long as you don't create a ruckus. It is byzantine. All the ballots are collected into the voting precincts, and there may be thousands in your particular county. The count on election night is preliminary and unofficial. The "official" results are not completed for about a month, as every precinct is recounted. The official count is where things can get wonky. California leaves plenty of time for stuff like provisional ballot disputes, etc. Texas, as an example, certifies their vote in an absurdly short time. When they reach that deadline, they are done counting. Whatever they have at that moment is what the result of the vote is. This is where the legal wrangling will be weirderer. The states do not count their votes the same ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #16 October 20, 2004 so, it seems that in this presidential election, people are a lot more fired up than usual. would the rest of you agree with that? also, do you think that it will translate into higher-than-usual turnout at the polls?? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #17 October 20, 2004 Quotetranslate into higher-than-usual turnout at the polls I know that early voting turnout is quite high here in the Houston area -- hopefully that'll translate into good, educated turnout overall. There's a lot to vote on besides the Presidential election. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #18 October 20, 2004 considering this election determines alot for the rest of the world, do you think i can vote? i would vote for martin sheen, he makes a good president .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
