Michele 1 #1 October 17, 2004 We've seen some serious gaffs by President Bush, but have you seen these from Kerry? Some are funny, some are scary, some are inconsequential in the long run. But they all point out the character of Kerry. "I think the United States should have offered the opportunity to provide the nuclear fuel, test them, see whether or not they were actually looking for it for peaceful purposes." This was said about Iran....during the 1st Presidential Debate...sigh. Sure, let's "test" them. Let's give them nuclear fuel, and see what they can do with it! What a smashing idea!!! "I will stand up and struggle, as others have, to try to get that right balance between violence, and sex, and things." Oh, me too. That's a struggle I think we should all fight for. A balance of violence and sex and things.. (Intellectual honesty demands that I mention he was speaking about Hollywood, that bastion of American values, and creating a balance in movies and TV. However, one could see that as some sort of censorship, as well....) When the head of the United Mine Workers presented him with a semiautomatic shotgun during a Labor Day campaign stop in West Virginia, Kerry chortled, "I thank you for the gift, but I can't take it to the debate with me." link here See, that's not funny to me. Any joke about shooting someone - from his level, at least - is in really poor taste. "The Iraqi Army is in such bad shape now," Kerry said, "even the Italians could kick their butts." (circa 1997) Really? That's a nice way to speak of our allies, the same ones he said were coerced and bribed. The same ones who would fight side by side with our troops. "This guy," he said on Don Imus's radio show, "takes more vacations than the people on welfare." (Speaking about Massachusetts Governor Weld). Wait a minute. Welfare people get vacations? Man, I'm doing something wrong. No, really. I gotta get on welfare. Oh wait, I'm not eligible.. "I was in the Capitol. We’d just had a meeting—we’d just come into a leadership meeting in Tom Daschle’s office, looking out at the Capitol. And as I came in, Barbara Boxer and Harry Reid were standing there, and we watched the second plane come in to the building. And we shortly thereafter sat down at the table and then we just realized nobody could think, and then boom, right behind us, we saw the cloud of explosion at the Pentagon. And then word came from the White House, they were evacuating, and we were to evacuate, and so we immediately began the evacuation." Larry King Live (no transcript available, although lots of links to be found.) Really? He lambasts the President for his sitting there for 5- 7 minutes, assessing the situation but acknowledges that he couldn't think for 40 minutes, let alone make decisions. (WTC was hit at 9:03, and the Pentagon was hit at 9:43...40 minutes. Just sitting there "not thinking". Even I knew enough to get on the phone and start calling people. ..) "I'm pretty tough on Castro, because I think he's running one of the last vestiges of a Stalinist secret police government in the world." "And I voted for the Helms-Burton legislation to be tough on companies that deal with him." Linked But did he vote for the Helms Burton legislation? Nope...he voted AGAINST it. Pandering at it's best (or else he forgot that there are records of this sort of thing). “I’m an internationalist. “I’d like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations.” February, 1970, to the Harvard Crimson. Also here Sorta dovetails with his proposition of a global litmus test, doesn't it? Maybe the UN is one of those "coerced and bribed" allies. After a secret service agent inadvertently moved into his path during a ski mishap in Idaho, Kerry was sent falling into the snow. When asked a moment later about the incident by a reporter on the ski run, Kerry said sharply, "I don't fall down," the "son of a bitch knocked me over." Can't admit to mistakes, can't accept that "things happen". I fall down all the time...no-one knocks me over, I do it all by myself (generally when I'm landing, but whatever....) "If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the international community's already existing order, then he will have invited enforcement, even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act." RNC.org But not when it's politically expedient to have a different position, right? Or was this a similar thing to his voting for it before he voted against it? "I think there has been an exaggeration," Mr. Kerry said when asked whether President Bush has overstated the threat of terrorism. "They are misleading all Americans in a profound way."WashingtonTimes This dovetails nicely with his terrorism/nuisance comment, doesn't it? I could've gone on and on, but I thought you might get bored. I think that despite Bush's gaffs, they are not nearly as telling, nor as serious, as these are about Kerry. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #2 October 17, 2004 QuoteI could've gone on and on, but I thought you might get bored. I think that despite Bush's gaffs, they are not nearly as telling, nor as serious, as these are about Kerry. But - but - but - but - but he's not Bush! That's all that counts! Right? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #3 October 17, 2004 QuoteBut - but - but - but - but he's not Bush! That's all that counts! Right? Right! Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #4 October 17, 2004 QuoteWhen the head of the United Mine Workers presented him with a semiautomatic shotgun during a Labor Day campaign stop in West Virginia, Kerry chortled, "I thank you for the gift, but I can't take it to the debate with me." link here See, that's not funny to me. Any joke about shooting someone - from his level, at least - is in really poor taste. You're absolutely right. It is a very different thing for people who do actually own guns to joke about what they might do with them than for someone who doesn't even have them. Such flippant, assinine jokes, are indeed telling about a person's character. Kerry should know better, and he doesn't. By the way, that shotgun he accepted as a gift? Hypocritical. It would be banned under legislation he supports. What a shitstain this man is. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 October 17, 2004 Quote We've seen some serious gaffs by President Bush, but have you seen these from Kerry? Some are funny, some are scary, some are inconsequential in the long run. But they all point out the character of Kerry. If a quote actually points out a person's character and people use that as a basis upon making their voting decisions, then it's not inconsequential. I think there are a few quotes from the last Presidential debate that really pointed out, well, maybe not GWB's character, but certainly his inability to remember facts involving things he has said. Some folks might call those lies, if they thought he was doing it intentionaly. Other folks might just think he doesn't have a very good memory or maybe go to the extreme of calling him a "flip-flopper". In either case, it doesn't exactly sound good does it? BTW, from the second Presidential debate, where's the right-wing moral outrage over GWB asking Kerry if needed an erection? "Need some wood?" http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004c.html BTW, he -did- own a timber company, at least he partially owned it. edited to add And . . . ok, I think some folks are all about having GWB "lead" the country during a time of war (they see him as a kick-ass, take no prisoners, cowboy), but seriously ask yourself, based on their skills of oratory, who would you want to have representing the country's interests when negotiating?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dagny 0 #6 October 17, 2004 QuoteBTW, from the second Presidential debate, where's the right-wing moral outrage over GWB asking Kerry if needed an erection? "Need some wood?" Hey, what can you say...GWB is a giver. When he said that I started laughing until I cried. Did you see the SNL skit of the debate? QuoteBTW, he -did- own a timber company, at least he partially owned it. I figured he might have since he made a point of not responding to that question and covering the accusation with humor. But, do you have a link for the information about the timber company? How long ago was he an owner of the company? Quote KERRY: Ladies and gentlemen, that's just not true what he said. The Wall Street Journal said 96 percent of small businesses are not affected at all by my plan. And you know why he gets that count? The president got $84 from a timber company that owns, and he's counted as a small business. Dick Cheney's counted as a small business. That's how they do things. That's just not right. BUSH: I own a timber company? (LAUGHTER) That's news to me. (LAUGHTER) Need some wood? (LAUGHTER) The transcript doesn't seem to make sense to me here. Bush received only $84 from this timber company? I'd like to read more about the company and Bush's involvement or lack thereof.Take me, I am the drug; take me, I am hallucinogenic. -Salvador Dali Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 October 17, 2004 http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx@docID=275.htmlquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #8 October 17, 2004 People in glass houses... "We will not have an all volunteer army", George W. Bush, 10/16/04 campaign speech. He didn't even realize he'd said it until the crowd told him. Freudian?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #9 October 17, 2004 Your post supports and argument that is ...........as more people look at what Kerry said during the debates' Bust won the last two hands down. Now, that is said looking a substance. The perception is tha Kerry won, but if you look at it honestly, that idea that Kerry won comes more from emotion than fact. I got my nomex on everybody! Let the flaming begin"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #11 October 17, 2004 I saw the SNL skits - not great, but OK. They don't hold a candle to the skits from 2000 - those were fantastic and slammed both candidates really well with. Truly good mockery. This time, they were just spastic. But at least they're trying. I'd have loved to seen Chevy Chase mocking John Kerry and John Belushi mocking GWB. Of course John is dead. And Chevy just as well be. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #12 October 17, 2004 Hi Michele! (hope you don't mind my asking) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #13 October 17, 2004 QuoteI see a european influence throughout your posts... just curious, are you an american citizen and registered voter? Hi, Dawn. Yes, I'm an American citizen. Yes, I am registered to vote. Yes, I have voted every election since I came of age. No, I'm not European, although I lived in Belgium as an exchange student. Yes, I read everything I can get my hands on, and thanks to the WWW, I have access to many different sources of information. Yes, I was raised to respect the different cultures and religions that make up the world. I vote my conscience, and have cast a ballot for Dems and Repubs. I'm 39, a white, unmarried, straight, single woman who lives in liberal California, and has all my life. I have 5 cats, a passion for skydiving and writing, and make my living as a Realtor. I *do* drive a European car, however...a 5 speed black, leather interior Jetta VW. And I am voting for Bush. Anything else? (I gotta ask, what the heck was that question about? What is an "European Influence?") Ciels- Michele AND! I'm voting for Bush. ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #14 October 17, 2004 european influence.. ex: saying "smashing" as an adjective for a something great, not something americans tend to do, however with as many brits as there are in 'liberal california' I myself began to adapt after 4 years, which would explain that. ex: your sig line contains french and many more like the first example.. that's all, I hope I didn't offend you. yes I'm a registered voter too I will be voting for Badnarik Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #15 October 17, 2004 Ah, I see. Yes, I use terms which may not always fit the typical american style of communication, as in your example. I attribute that not to an European influence, but rather to someone who has been eposed to lots and lots of literature, and uses specific terms to convey a precise meaning. For instance, the use of the word "smashing" could be evocative of "destruction," as well as "brilliant" in British colloquialisms. Using that term precisely, in conjunction with the idea of giving Iran nuclear materials to "test them," indicates my opinion of the thought in the alternative, literal sense of the term "smashing" or "destructive." It's all good...I just wasn't sure where that came from. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #16 October 17, 2004 Quote european influence.. ex: saying "smashing" as an adjective for a something great, not something americans tend to do, however with as many brits as there are in 'liberal california' I myself began to adapt after 4 years, which would explain that. ex: your sig line contains french and many more like the first example.. that's all, I hope I didn't offend you. European influence.. sounds like a dangerous illness! LMAO Perhaps it's only the illness called "opened minded"? Unknown beyond the big pond? Perhaps one should ask one of the many American men living here happily with European (German) girls ...? Oh, sorry, I should not talk like that, as: I am a mother, a wife, a lady..... and I am a happy European -with a French husband- yeah! ! (in that order??) dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zep 0 #17 October 17, 2004 Quote*** Oh, sorry, I should not talk like that, as: I am a mother, a wife, a lady..... and I am a happy European -with a French husband- yeah! ! (in that order??) Iam so glad that someone else dos'nt count the french as Europeans Sorry but you walked straight into that one. edited for spelling mistake Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #18 October 17, 2004 Quote Iam so glad that someone else dos'nt count the french as Europeans Sorry but you walked strait into that one. OK, seen from your side... From mine: Just to explain there is another European (from another EU country). But in fact: the genuine, real Europeans are the French. Ask them! dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zep 0 #19 October 17, 2004 QuoteQuote Iam so glad that someone else dos'nt count the french as Europeans Sorry but you walked strait into that one. OK, seen from your side... From mine: Just to explain there is another European (from another EU country). But in fact: the genuine, real Europeans are the French. Ask them! I do'nt need to My wife works for a French multi-national here in Barcelona. So I know what thier answer would be. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #20 October 17, 2004 QuotePerhaps it's only the illness called "opened minded"? Unknown beyond the big pond? Lumping a nation of 300 million people into one simple stereotype hardly seems "open minded". . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #21 October 17, 2004 Quote Lumping a nation of 300 million people into one simple stereotype hardly seems "open minded Nothing directed to any nation And I said "perhaps" .. "Perhaps" you should go back and read why I posted? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #22 October 17, 2004 QuoteAnd I said "perhaps" .. Well perhaps all Spaniards are loud and smelly, all French are cowards, and all Brits have rotten teeth. But since I used the word "perhaps" to preface my stereoytpical insults, you can't take them as though I really meant them. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #23 October 17, 2004 I can't? I can. I (can) take what I want, as...perhaps.....I don't mind what for you use "perhaps"? Wow, it's getting complicated. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #24 October 17, 2004 QuoteI (can) take what I want, as...perhaps.....I don't mind what for you use "perhaps"? You seem to interpret the meaning of the word "perhaps" in a favorable light when you use it, but interpret it negatively when I use it. Sounds fair to me. QuoteWow, it's getting complicated. Yes, tracking separate meanings of words according to who uses them is hard to track, I'm sure. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #25 October 17, 2004 QuoteQuoteI (can) take what I want, as...perhaps.....I don't mind what for you use "perhaps"? You seem to interpret the meaning of the word "perhaps" in a favorable light when you use it, but interpret it negatively when I use it. Sounds fair to me. QuoteWow, it's getting complicated. Yes, tracking separate meanings of words according to who uses them is hard to track, I'm sure. "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all." —Through the Looking-Glass, Lewis Carroll... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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Michele 1 #15 October 17, 2004 Ah, I see. Yes, I use terms which may not always fit the typical american style of communication, as in your example. I attribute that not to an European influence, but rather to someone who has been eposed to lots and lots of literature, and uses specific terms to convey a precise meaning. For instance, the use of the word "smashing" could be evocative of "destruction," as well as "brilliant" in British colloquialisms. Using that term precisely, in conjunction with the idea of giving Iran nuclear materials to "test them," indicates my opinion of the thought in the alternative, literal sense of the term "smashing" or "destructive." It's all good...I just wasn't sure where that came from. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #16 October 17, 2004 Quote european influence.. ex: saying "smashing" as an adjective for a something great, not something americans tend to do, however with as many brits as there are in 'liberal california' I myself began to adapt after 4 years, which would explain that. ex: your sig line contains french and many more like the first example.. that's all, I hope I didn't offend you. European influence.. sounds like a dangerous illness! LMAO Perhaps it's only the illness called "opened minded"? Unknown beyond the big pond? Perhaps one should ask one of the many American men living here happily with European (German) girls ...? Oh, sorry, I should not talk like that, as: I am a mother, a wife, a lady..... and I am a happy European -with a French husband- yeah! ! (in that order??) dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #17 October 17, 2004 Quote*** Oh, sorry, I should not talk like that, as: I am a mother, a wife, a lady..... and I am a happy European -with a French husband- yeah! ! (in that order??) Iam so glad that someone else dos'nt count the french as Europeans Sorry but you walked straight into that one. edited for spelling mistake Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #18 October 17, 2004 Quote Iam so glad that someone else dos'nt count the french as Europeans Sorry but you walked strait into that one. OK, seen from your side... From mine: Just to explain there is another European (from another EU country). But in fact: the genuine, real Europeans are the French. Ask them! dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #19 October 17, 2004 QuoteQuote Iam so glad that someone else dos'nt count the french as Europeans Sorry but you walked strait into that one. OK, seen from your side... From mine: Just to explain there is another European (from another EU country). But in fact: the genuine, real Europeans are the French. Ask them! I do'nt need to My wife works for a French multi-national here in Barcelona. So I know what thier answer would be. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #20 October 17, 2004 QuotePerhaps it's only the illness called "opened minded"? Unknown beyond the big pond? Lumping a nation of 300 million people into one simple stereotype hardly seems "open minded". . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #21 October 17, 2004 Quote Lumping a nation of 300 million people into one simple stereotype hardly seems "open minded Nothing directed to any nation And I said "perhaps" .. "Perhaps" you should go back and read why I posted? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #22 October 17, 2004 QuoteAnd I said "perhaps" .. Well perhaps all Spaniards are loud and smelly, all French are cowards, and all Brits have rotten teeth. But since I used the word "perhaps" to preface my stereoytpical insults, you can't take them as though I really meant them. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #23 October 17, 2004 I can't? I can. I (can) take what I want, as...perhaps.....I don't mind what for you use "perhaps"? Wow, it's getting complicated. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #24 October 17, 2004 QuoteI (can) take what I want, as...perhaps.....I don't mind what for you use "perhaps"? You seem to interpret the meaning of the word "perhaps" in a favorable light when you use it, but interpret it negatively when I use it. Sounds fair to me. QuoteWow, it's getting complicated. Yes, tracking separate meanings of words according to who uses them is hard to track, I'm sure. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #25 October 17, 2004 QuoteQuoteI (can) take what I want, as...perhaps.....I don't mind what for you use "perhaps"? You seem to interpret the meaning of the word "perhaps" in a favorable light when you use it, but interpret it negatively when I use it. Sounds fair to me. QuoteWow, it's getting complicated. Yes, tracking separate meanings of words according to who uses them is hard to track, I'm sure. "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all." —Through the Looking-Glass, Lewis Carroll... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
