Who should the U.S. REALLY be worried about?

[akarunway 1]

Russia-Iran nuclear power plant completed


Thursday 14 October 2004, 19:55 Makka Time, 16:55 GMT


The Bushehr plant is due for launch next year



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Russia and Iran have finished construction of the Bushehr atomic power plant in the Islamic Republic - a project the United States fears Tehran could use to make nuclear arms.



Diplomats in Moscow said the announcement on Thursday, made after Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov visited Iran, reflected Russia's readiness to press ahead with the project in return for Tehran's increased cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).



"We're done," said a spokesman for Russia's Atomic Energy Agency (RosAtom). "All we need to do now is work out an agreement on sending spent fuel back to Russia."



Such an agreement with Iran is designed to allay US concerns. Iran would guarantee it would return to Russia all spent nuclear fuel, which can be used to make weapons. But the signing, due last year, has been repeatedly delayed.



Alaeddin Boroujerdi, head of the Iranian Parliament's Foreign Affairs and National Security Commission, confirmed the construction phase at Bushehr.



Agreement



"The [nuclear fuel] agreement is practically ready. If experts agree on a few remaining commercial matters, it could be signed in November," Boroujerdi told reporters in Moscow after talks with Russian officials.




Lavrov (L) is pressing for Iran's
increased work with the IAEA


Tehran insists its nuclear programme is entirely peaceful.



RosAtom head Alexander Rumyantsev is due to visit Iran in late November. But industry sources say the signing depends on the outcome of a 25 November IAEA meeting, which could decide whether to refer Iran to the UN Security Council for possible sanctions.



Security Council permanent member Russia is under severe US pressure to ditch the $800 million Bushehr project but would have a veto on any sanctions vote.



Message



Diplomats in Moscow said the announcement may also be intended to send a message, ahead of a Group of Eight meeting of industrialised countries in Washington later this week, that Russia would firmly stand by its ally in the Middle East.



"All we need to do now is work out an agreement on sending spent fuel back to Russia"

RosAtom spokesman

"It's no coincidence that the announcement comes right after Lavrov's visit to Tehran," one Western diplomat said.



"It would have been logical for [the] Russians to promise to stick to the Bushehr project in exchange for making Iran cooperate with the IAEA better."



Russia's stance on Iran toughened in September after Tehran threatened to defy an IAEA call for it to stop work on enriching uranium - a process that can be used to develop nuclear arms.



The 1000-megawatt Bushehr plant is due to be launched next year and will reach full capacity in 2006. The RosAtom spokesman said work still remained on assembling some security and control equipment.



Russia has been building the plant since the early 1990s.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
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[storm1977 0]

I think we should really be worried about France...

It is now coming out that Politicians there were dircectly bribed by SH.... Sad.
Oh, and France was selling weapons to Iraq which were sanctioned by the UN.

THANKS FRANCE!!!!!

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[christelsabine 1]

Typical case of short memory!

Seems you forgot that the US sold weapons to Iraq during war against Iran, 15 years ago?

Oh well, folks forget too quick

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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Typical case of short memory!

Seems you forgot that the US sold weapons to Iraq during war against Iran, 15 years ago?

Oh well, folks forget too quick

I didn't know there were UN sanctions against Iran 15 years ago? & didn't we aid Iraq?

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[dorbie 0]

Short memory or selective memory? It's convenient to forget that the US had to trade with a lot of partners during the cold war in an attempt to influence them or keep them from Soviet influence, and Iraq was at war with Iran after it had been taken over by fundamentalist nuts who'd hijacked a popular revolution against a dictator (The Shah was backed by the West unfortunately). The troops in Gulf War I were blowing up Soviet Tanks and Migs, not Amerigan hardware, something conveniently overlooked by the finger waggers.

America gave Jihaddists (mujahideen) in Afghanistan Stinger missiles to fight the Soviets who'd have occupied the country successfully otherwise. These were some of the same guys who morphed into radical Islamiscists like al Qaida, (an organization Bin Laden formed to supply & organize Jihaddists for that war). Was it right to help them defeat the Soviets? Yes! Was supplying man portable anti-aircraft missiles to fighters affiliated with al Qaida wrong? No! Was it right for Rambo to go there and fight with Jihaddists kicking Soviet butt? ... probably not There was a context to all of this and ignoring the context only makes you dumber.

I'm really not up for paralyzing the U.S. in it's ability to act because it might have supported or done something in the past in another context. In the case of France you're talking about a nation that sees itself in some respects as a geopolitical adversary of the USA. It doesn't seem to grasp the profound change in the consequences of low level asymmetric conflicts. France absolutely was engaged in supplying embargoed weapons to Iraq in exchange for oil exploitation rights while America and other of it's NATO allies were preparing to go to war with Iraq and while U.N. sanctions should have been enforced.

Some 15 year old geopolitical policy of the USA or attempt at diplomacy taken out of context doesn't erase that, and doesn't make America hypocritical.

[christelsabine 1]

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I didn't know there were UN sanctions against Iran 15 years ago? & didn't we aid Iraq?

Yes, the US did aid the Iraq in these days. No UN sanctions against the Iran during this time but, the UN admitted weapon deliveries from the US to Iraq in their war against Iran. The danger in those days - (and again today is)- was Iran's activities in nuclear weapons.

BTW: We do consider this (Iran matter) as a serious one which should be observed closely.

the world is a dangerous playground.

I prefer to be up in the air.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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The old Iran-Contra chestnut. The reason this happened was a clandestine operation as a hostage payoff, and the real scandal (internationally) was the USA pressuring for the arms embargo on Iran from it's allies, who then learned of an arms deal by the US, one they were pressured into. Personally I think the US should have carpet bombed the country until they released the hostages but the same finger waggers would have been outraged by that more than an arms deal.

Once again context is important and you ignore it at the peril of your intelligence.

[christelsabine 1]

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Once again context is important and you ignore it at the peril of your intelligence.

Thx a lot. As until today it seems, nobody ever here noticed what you pointed out, rest assured that from now on, we will have an eye on that!

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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Once again context is important and you ignore it at the peril of your intelligence.

Thx a lot. As until today it seems, nobody ever here noticed what you pointed out, rest assured that from now on, we will have an eye on that!

Is that sarcasm or are you merely patronizing me? Oh wait, it's patronizing sarcasm....

You either didn't realize it or were being intentionally deceptive. I'm glad I was able to correct you.

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if you look back on how the world usually handles, i would say that if they declare that they are done now, its already been done for awhile or they have a reason to say its done long before it actually is.

nothing is what it seems to be. nothing .
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"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[christelsabine 1]

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Is that sarcasm or are you merely patronizing me? Oh wait, it's patronizing sarcasm....

You either didn't realize it or were being intentionally deceptive. I'm glad I was able to correct you

Patronize? Me? Whom? No.

Thx you pushed me on that.

My mental attitude truly was not like that. Nevertheless, your idea is not bad... I will surely go on following this way of thinking.

Perhaps this will help me to understand?

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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Ok I apologize then, I really thought you were being sarcastic.

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I think we should really be worried about France...

France & Germany.

The axis of assholes...

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France & Germany.

The axis of assholes...

I prefer 'Rumsfeld's' "Axis of Weasels." meme, it's been around a while.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/weasels.asp

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/11/1044927597014.html

[narcimund 0]

Who should the US really be worried about? Well, for starters, the Republicans.

And the Democrats.

After those two groups, it's all relatively minor.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[akarunway 1]

Who should the US really be worried about? Well, for starters, the Republicans.

And the Democrats.

After those two groups, it's all relatively minor.-------------------------------------------------------------------- LOL. This is supposed to be the speakers corner forum. No funnies allowed
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I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[christelsabine 1]

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I think we should really be worried about France...

France & Germany.

The axis of assholes...

[PhillyKev 0]

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Who should the U.S. REALLY be worried about?

John Ashcroft
Paul Wolfowitz
Donald Rumsfeld
Dick Cheney
George W. Bush

In that order.

[christelsabine 1]

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John Ashcroft
Paul Wolfowitz
Donald Rumsfeld
Dick Cheney
George W. Bush

In that order

Nice new avatar.
A man, covered and in wainscoting... why that?
Life is dangerous.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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Nice new avatar.

Bought my winter motorcycling attire.

[Botellines 0]

The U.S should be worried about fear. Big military, tough marines, blah, blah, blah, but fear is clouding the judge of the average Mr smith.
You should also be worried about a government that do not hesitate to use and promote that fear for its interests.

And of course the French, they are constantly lieing, they say their red wine is better than ours, go figure!!!

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And of course the French, they are constantly lieing, they say their red wine is better than ours, go figure!!!

Hola,
you are right: French men do tell lies !
But French wine is better than yours! My personal opinion

Sangria (to be pronounced: hell headache):
Wasn't it made to wash your feet in it? And all those stupid German tourists are drinking that!

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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Hola,
you are right: French men do tell lies !

LOL. I wouldn´t know other than wine... .

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But French wine is better than yours! My personal opinion

I am no expert, but i recomend a "Coto de Imaz" Reserva de 1999. Wich by the way i am just having a glass. Damn good stuff. I will concede though that Fench people do have excellent wines.

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Sangria (to be pronounced: hell headache):
Wasn't it made to wash your feet in it? And all those stupid German tourists are drinking that!

LMFAO... Actually yes, we wash our feet on it, and then we sell it to them, we only do it to drive them off Mallorca. .
Actually there is some excelent sangria out there that it is very worthy with a BBQ, but don´t buy it on a bar, it is usually crap.

It is better if you do it yourself.
2 L of wine
1 L of carbonated water
the juice of one lemon
some aples, peaches and bananas sliced (not too much or they will soak all the drink)
a bit of Martini and or Vodka
a lot of sugar
a bit of cinammon.

[christelsabine 1]

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I am no expert, but i recomend a "Coto de Imaz" Reserva de 1999. Wich by the way i am just having a glass. Damn good stuff.

OK. So your lunch including a good red one is ready

When shopping this afternoon, I will have a look on that Spanish red one. Promised

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Actually yes, we wash our feet on it, and then we sell it to them, we only do it to drive them off Mallorca.

They will never notice that :
As long as it's red, contains alcohol and is cheap: Hurrah! Let's toss off! cheers in bucketfuls

Will try your recipe.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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And of course the French, they are constantly lieing, they say their red wine is better than ours, go figure!!!

Hola,
you are right: French men do tell lies !
But French wine is better than yours! My personal opinion

Sangria (to be pronounced: hell headache):
Wasn't it made to wash your feet in it?

Ok this has gone to far, you people really need educating.

The best wine in all the whole world comes from Spain (my choice is Rioja )
The Spanish are far to inteligent to export a product so superior to the french effort.

Sangria. You obviously buy your Sangria from a discount store paying no more than 2 euros


Oh an what should the U.S be afraid of The Chinese

Gone fishing