rhino 0 #1 October 14, 2004 My vote is for Bush on this one... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 October 14, 2004 Regardless of the voting on this web site, I think it's going to be pretty much split just like the last one. Each side will think their guy won and no clear winner. But, I'm going to really wait for the Pollingreport.com call.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #3 October 14, 2004 QuoteBut, I'm going to really wait for the Pollingreport.com call. Why let a poll make your mind up for you? I'm going to use my brain and decide who I thought was better. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 October 14, 2004 Well, sure, but that's not going to tell you who won in the minds of the rest of the country. All the poll on this forum does is show how biased the forum is left v. right.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #5 October 14, 2004 QuoteAll the poll on this forum does is show how biased the forum is left v. right. As is most of the other polls. Who won the debate or not is a matter of opinion. And the only opinion whose matters is yours. No one elses. Quit looking for polls to tell you what you're capable of deciding on your own. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 October 14, 2004 So . . . even if GWB loses on November 2, if you think he's the winner . . . he is?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #7 October 14, 2004 QuoteSo . . . even if GWB loses on November 2, if you think he's the winner . . . he is? Now you're talking about winning the presidency. Try and stay focused on one topic at a time. I understand switching topics from apples to oranges works on most people but not on me. Let's divert your attention back to the original subject. Who won a debate is clearly a matter of opinion. Period. No arguing about that. Who won the elections is a factual contest. All opinions are meaningless when it comes to who won. The Electoral College decides. Are you up to speed now? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #8 October 14, 2004 QuoteSo . . . even if GWB loses on November 2. . . I, as a staunch just-right-of-center conservative and US citizen, won't run around crying that Kerry's "not MY president." Waaaaaaaa . . . . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #9 October 14, 2004 QuoteI, as a staunch just-right-of-center conservative and US citizen, won't run around crying that Kerry's "not MY president." Waaaaaaaa . . . Of course not. You're sensible...unlike most liberals on here who cry/bitch/moan every nanosecond about their leader. It's sad and shameful. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #10 October 14, 2004 http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/president/debates/press.pundits/results.html_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePhelps 0 #11 October 14, 2004 cnn (clinton news network) the voice of reason, fair and impartial, oh yeah! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #12 October 14, 2004 Quote So . . . even if GWB loses on November 2, if you think he's the winner . . . he is? Loses which vote? The popular vote or the REAL vote? If he lost the real vote, he lost, if he lost the popular vote, it doesn't matter since that's not how a president is elected in this country. Same story for Kerry as well. If the electorial types vote Kerry in, then so be it, I won't be someone bitching and moaning about the popular vote, since it truely doesn't matter (although yes the EC traditionally votes with the popular vote from their state, they don't really have to). edit: misspelled not as now, it makes a big difference on what I am saying. Stupid fingers not pushing the right buddons on me keyboart.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #13 October 14, 2004 GWB’s confident answers showed competence in his job and foresight. I was VERY impressed with the President’s performance last night. I thought it was the best of his debates. I think he came across as well prepared, factually knowledgeable, determined, compassionate, honest, and “most improved” of the two. There was drastic improvement between the 1st & 2nd debates for GWB. I think Kerry won the first but tied the second. The 3rd, however, was commanded by Bush. I was surprised given the domestic issue focus. I honestly think this will move him further ahead in the polls and win the votes of undecided voters. I still think this election will be close, however, on Election Day, I don’t think it will be as close as some are suggesting. Certainly not as close as the one in 2000. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #14 October 14, 2004 QuoteQuote So . . . even if GWB loses on November 2, if you think he's the winner . . . he is? Loses which vote? The popular vote or the REAL vote? If he lost the real vote, he lost, if he lost the popular vote, it doesn't matter since that's now how a president is elected in this country. Same story for Kerry as well. If the electorial types vote Kerry in, then so be it, I won't be someone bitching and moaning about the popular vote, since it truely doesn't matter (although yes the EC traditionally votes with the popular vote from their state, they don't really have to). Reality is just a real bitch, isn't it? Good post! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #15 October 14, 2004 Is it possible to truly 'win' a debate? The whole point of these things is to get their points across and why they are different, and poke out the flaws in the other guy. I'm not sure that there really needs to be a winner. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #16 October 14, 2004 My view on it pretty much mirrors the replies so far. It was about a draw, with a slight advantage to Kerry. Bush was much better than he was in the first debate, but dodged the questions more often than Kerry did. (Which is saying a lot - Kerry did a lot of dodging.) They were about equal on number of lies told. Both candidates were more personable overall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #17 October 14, 2004 Quotecnn (clinton news network) the voice of reason, fair and impartial, oh yeah! yea, I can see that CNN is really trying to get Clinton back in office _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #18 October 14, 2004 So, once again I draw your attention to PollingReport.com. http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04misc.htm While the only poll they have posted so far is the ABC News poll, notice how the results are -wildly- different than the results shown in this thread. Most notable is how many Republicans that responded to the ABC News poll think Kerry won the debate. 12% with only 73% thinking that GWB won which is quite different than the results of the ABC News poll after the second debate with Kerry only getting 2% of the Republican responces. All in all though, the two candidates are (as previously predicted) pretty well evenly split and well within the margin of error.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tf15 0 #19 October 14, 2004 QuoteMy view on it pretty much mirrors the replies so far. It was about a draw, with a slight advantage to Kerry. Bush was much better than he was in the first debate, but dodged the questions more often than Kerry did. (Which is saying a lot - Kerry did a lot of dodging.) They were about equal on number of lies told. Both candidates were more personable overall. Bush won - he made more provably untrue statements than Kerry did. Like his denial that he had said OBL was not his priority. They played his actual March 2002 statement on the radio this morning - he said it alright, and Kerry had quoted it almost word for word. Three times is enemy action Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #20 October 14, 2004 Quote Bush won - he made more provably untrue statements than Kerry did. So . . . you think that means he's the winner? All that means to me is that he's the bigger liar.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #21 October 14, 2004 QuoteMy vote is for Bush on this one... It'd like to vote for the most insecure, indefinable smile I ever saw on a face of an important leader of a country (and the USA is more than just "a country") With this, he would not even be able to be a novice in my company or someone, just doing the copy works for me. Bad job. You're fired. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #22 October 14, 2004 Then your people must be really superficial since judging someone from an insecure and "indefinable" smile is the most ridiculous way to hire someone."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #23 October 14, 2004 QuoteThen your people must be really superficial since judging someone from an insecure and "indefinable" smile is the most ridiculous way to hire someone Mister, he would not even have been hired with that smile and spittle bubbles in the corner of his mouth. Watching his face was hurting, somehow. Watching that smile on the face of my beloved son would SURELY make me fight for him like a lioness. But not for a president HE has to fight for me and my country. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #24 October 14, 2004 You should make up your mind, first it is because an insecure and "indefinable" smile, then is "that smile and ??spittle?? bubbles in the corner of his mouth. Watching you spew your off wall comments and your need for a compass, being a geographical one or a political one is quite entertaining"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #25 October 14, 2004 Well, you're German and don't get to vote here for the US President so it's kind of mute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
