narcimund 0 #1 October 13, 2004 Voting fraud in Oregon And so it begins... These guys think ahead. Inserting shills in online communities a year in advance and even shredding voter registration forms. Crooks everywhere. Which crook will YOU vote for? Why exactly are YOU loyal to this system? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #2 October 13, 2004 you have to register for that site. Think you could cut and paste? linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #3 October 13, 2004 Oops. Sorry. QuoteBradbury investigates possible voter fraud in Portland 10:05 AM PDT on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 By kgw.com and AP Staff Oregon Secretary of State Bill Bradbury and Attorney General Hardy Myers plan to investigate allegations that a paid canvasser might have destroyed voter registration forms. KGW Canvasser Mike Johnson (left) reaches into his bag to pull out voter registration forms. "There have been allegations made that someone threw out some voter registration forms that had been submitted to them," Bradbury told The Associated Press late Tuesday. "This is a violation of the law and I will meet with the attorney general in the morning to talk about what we can do to pursue this, and to make sure it doesn't happen again." Bradbury learned of the conduct from KGW, which interviewed Mike Johnson, 20, a canvasser who said he was instructed to only accept Republican registration forms. He told the TV reporter that he "might" destroy forms turned in by Democrats. "I have never in my five years as secretary of state ever seen an allegation like the one that came up tonight -- ever," Bradbury said. "I mean, frankly, it just totally offends me that someone would take someone else's registration and throw it out." Bradbury said the law requires that groups registering voters submit forms no later than five days after they were filled out. He added that canvassers can't turn away a voter because of his or her party affiliation. Rory Smith, a spokeswoman for the Republican Party in Oregon, said the young man interviewed by KGW was not in their rolls. "We do not condone this type of behavior," Smith told the station. Similar voter registration fraud was reported in Las Vegas. Johnson told KGW the group he works for was recently in Las Vegas. In Nevada earlier Tuesday, KLAS-TV, a CBS affiliate, interviewed an employee of a private voter registration organization who said hundreds -- perhaps thousands -- of Democratic registration forms had been destroyed. Eric Russell, a former Voters Outreach of America employee, told the TV station he had personally witnessed his supervisor take out Democratic registration forms from the pile and shred them. The company has been largely funded by the Republican National Committee, the station reported. A spokesman for the Las Vegas bureau of the FBI said he did not know if an investigation had been initiated. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #4 October 13, 2004 Registrar reports voter fraud Party affiliation: People complained they were badgered or denied a form. Anjeanette Damon RENO GAZETTE-JOURNAL 10/1/2004 08:54 pm Washoe County Voter Registrar Dan Burk said Friday he will ask the FBI to investigate a recent spate of complaints that out-of-state groups submitted fraudulent voter registration forms and refused to register anyone but Republicans. Burk said his office received more than 15 phone calls from people who complained they were badgered into registering as a Republican or denied a form if they wanted to register with another party — an apparent violation of state law. His office also received 15 voter registration forms that contained fake names written by the same hand. The problems have surfaced around a number of groups funded by the National Republican Committee to register voters in the final days before the election, Burk said. ----------------------------------------- KTLA-TV (Oct. 12) -- Employees of a private voter registration company allege that hundreds, perhaps thousands of voters who may think they are registered will be rudely surprised on election day. The company claims hundreds of registration forms were thrown in the trash. Anyone who has recently registered or re-registered to vote outside a mall or grocery store or even government building may be affected. . . . . Two former workers say they personally witnessed company supervisors rip up and trash registration forms signed by Democrats. "We caught her taking Democrats out of my pile, handed them to her assistant and he ripped them up right in front of us. I grabbed some of them out of the garbage and she tells her assisatnt to get those from me," said Eric Russell, former Voters Outreach employee. Eric Russell managed to retrieve a pile of shredded paperwork including signed voter registration forms, all from Democrats. We took them to the Clark County Election Department and confirmed that they had not, in fact, been filed with the county as required by law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #5 October 13, 2004 The only thing that surprises me here is how amatuer the execution is. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #6 October 13, 2004 Have you seen that the Nevada GOP are trying to remove only registered democrats in that battle ground state?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #7 October 13, 2004 Wow. Here's another on the homepage of Yahoo. They're just rolling in. Link QuoteNev. Move to Purge Some Dem Voters Fails 1 hour, 22 minutes ago By ADAM GOLDMAN, Associated Press Writer LAS VEGAS - Elections officials have rebuffed an attempt by a former GOP operative to purge about 17,000 Democrats from the voter rolls in the battleground state of Nevada, where the two presidential candidates are in a dead heat. Latest Headlines: · Bush, Kerry to Meet in Final Debate Reuters - 5 minutes ago · Kerry Ad Responds to Health Care Criticism AP - 12 minutes ago · Cheney Raps Kerry's Quip on Terrorism AP - 18 minutes ago ------------------------------------------------------------------------ All Election Coverage Dan Burdish, former head of the state Republican Party, filed a challenge last week claiming the Democrats should be removed from the rolls because they were inactive voters. But Clark County Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax rejected the move Tuesday, saying Burdish could only challenge voters in his precinct, and then only if he has personal knowledge that they are inactive. "I don't think pulling names off a database equates to personal knowledge," Lomax said. Under state law, voters are placed on "inactive status" if they move and don't update their addresses within 30 days of receiving notice to do so. Their registrations are then canceled if they don't vote in two consecutive federal elections. Democrats have criticized Burdish for trying to influence the hotly contested congressional race between Republican Rep. Jon Porter (news, bio, voting record) and his Democratic challenger, former casino executive Tom Gallagher, in the 3rd District. State Republican officials have also distanced themselves from Burdish. But Burdish denied trying to disenfranchise people. The Democrats are just "blowing hot air as far as I'm concerned," Burdish said. "I'm not suppressing any vote unless it's in a local district they are not allowed to vote in." The latest poll from Oct. 5 showed Democratic Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) with a 1 percentage point lead over President Bush (news - web sites) in Nevada. Democrat Al Gore (news - web sites) lost the state by fewer than 22,000 votes in 2000. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #8 October 13, 2004 Wow, desperation sets in. I have a feeling such efforts will backfire, though. Once it is widely known that one party is attempting to commit electoral fraud, they may see members of their own party become disgusted with them and abandon ship. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #9 October 13, 2004 How charmingly optimistic of you. Honor and indignancy are so 20th century. We're well past such primitive motivations in this enlightened age of Might Makes Right. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #10 October 13, 2004 Yeah...I heard on the radio that moveon.org has been registering people 3, 4 and 5 times on purpose. They also have thrown out republican registration forms and only keep the democratic ones. What a bunch of losers. Truly a dispicable organization. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #11 October 13, 2004 QuoteWhat a bunch of losers. Truly a dispicable organization. Does that stand for the republican groups that do these things or is the logic different when it's your side? Of course it is. By the way, how much were you paid to post on dropzone? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #12 October 13, 2004 QuoteBy the way, how much were you paid to post on dropzone? The same amount you were. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tf15 0 #13 October 13, 2004 QuoteYeah...I heard on the radio that moveon.org has been registering people 3, 4 and 5 times on purpose. They also have thrown out republican registration forms and only keep the democratic ones. I once heard on the radio that Martians had landed in New Jersey. Three times is enemy action Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #14 October 13, 2004 Have you ever been to Jersey? Trust me, the Martians haven't left. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tf15 0 #15 October 13, 2004 QuoteHave you ever been to Jersey? Trust me, the Martians haven't left. Living in Cross Keys? Three times is enemy action Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #16 October 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteYeah...I heard on the radio that moveon.org has been registering people 3, 4 and 5 times on purpose. They also have thrown out republican registration forms and only keep the democratic ones. I once heard on the radio that Martians had landed in New Jersey. What Exit?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #17 October 13, 2004 QuoteWow, desperation sets in. I have a feeling such efforts will backfire, though. Once it is widely known that one party is attempting to commit electoral fraud, they may see members of their own party become disgusted with them and abandon ship. Not that I condone this activity, nor am I affiliated with either party, but do you really believe a)that the actions of an individual are representitive of the entire groups wishes, and b) that this has never happened in the "other" party?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #18 October 13, 2004 >but do you really believe a)that the actions of an individual are >representitive of the entire groups wishes . . . If it happened once? Then it's probably just some loser. If it is reported happening in three different places? It might be more systematic than just some loser doing it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #19 October 13, 2004 Or it might just be three losers.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #20 October 13, 2004 I believe the allegations of voter fraud (not just registration fraud) are much more common against Dems than Repubs. I realize this this is just my assertion from my anecdotal memories, but do you dispute it?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #21 October 13, 2004 > Or it might just be three losers. Agreed. But if you heard that three javelins had their pins rip off their bridles within a week of each other, and you had a javelin - wouldn't it worry you enough to at least check yours out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #22 October 13, 2004 Quotedo you dispute it? I have absolutely no clue. Why do you think I'm taking sides? Did I say something above to make you think that or are you just incapable of understanding that some people aren't sucked in? What I will say is in my anecdotal memories your team has worse manners than the other. But both teams are lying, traitorous crooks. No question. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #23 October 13, 2004 QuoteHave you seen that the Nevada GOP are trying to remove only registered democrats in that battle ground state? Got a link? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #24 October 13, 2004 Quote QuoteHave you seen that the Nevada GOP are trying to remove only registered democrats in that battle ground state? Got a link? - Jim The story was posted above._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #25 October 13, 2004 Everybody, start offering ideas about potential solutions to voter fraud. What system could we employ to eliminate the ability of people to register fake names/dead people/dogs/cats, etc.? One idea: What if we simply required a photo I.D. along with social security card to vote? That way, registering would be moot. Of course, this is something I have not thought long on -- mere minutes. Already I see that people can make fake driver's licenses, and fake SS cards... Frankly I see it as hopeless. I think that our elections system is riddled with fraud, NO election is truly fairly executed and legitimate, but we all pretend that they are, because it's terrifying to think that on the whole, at least, they're not. And I'm certain that this is not nearly a new phenomenon. It's as old as voting is. It's as old as this country is. It's not stopping, not going away. It's just getting a lot more press these days, that's for sure. What to do about it?? -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
