storm1977 0 #1 October 12, 2004 This for some reason doesn't surprise me anymore.... Amazing how only a select few news news outlets are covering it. NY Post is one of them. http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/newswire/news2004/1004/100904-halperin.htm http://www.drudgereport.com/mh.htm ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #2 October 12, 2004 The links on Drudge's pages leads to a 404 error and the memo is so blurred I can't read it. Is there a clearer version out there?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #3 October 12, 2004 the link woks fine from here..... ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #4 October 12, 2004 QuoteThe links on Drudge's pages leads to a 404 error and the memo is so blurred I can't read it. Is there a clearer version out there? Worked for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #5 October 12, 2004 here u go QuoteABCNEWS POLITICAL DIRECTOR MEMO SPARKS CONTROVERSY: BOTH SIDES NOT 'EQUALLY ACCOUNTABLE' **Exclusive** An internal memo written by ABCNEWS Political Director Mark Halperin admonishes ABC staff: During coverage of Democrat Kerry and Republican Bush not to "reflexively and artificially hold both sides 'equally' accountable." The controversial internal memo obtained by DRUDGE, captures Halperin stating how "Kerry distorts, takes out of context, and mistakes all the time, but these are not central to his efforts to win." But Halperin claims that Bush is hoping to "win the election by destroying Senator Kerry at least partly through distortions." "The current Bush attacks on Kerry involve distortions and taking things out of context in a way that goes beyond what Kerry has done," Halperin writes. Halperin's claim that ABCNEWS will not "reflexively and artificially hold both sides 'equally' accountable" set off sparks in St. Louis where media players gathered to cover the second presidential debate. Halperin states the responsibilities of the ABCNEWS staff have "become quite grave." In August, Halperin declared online: "This is now John Kerry's contest to lose." x x x x x Halperin Memo Dated Friday October 8, 2004 It goes without saying that the stakes are getting very high for the country and the campaigns - and our responsibilities become quite grave I do not want to set off (sp?) and endless colloquy that none of us have time for today - nor do I want to stifle one. Please respond if you feel you can advance the discussion. The New York Times (Nagourney/Stevenson) and Howard Fineman on the web both make the same point today: the current Bush attacks on Kerry involve distortions and taking things out of context in a way that goes beyond what Kerry has done. Kerry distorts, takes out of context, and mistakes all the time, but these are not central to his efforts to win. We have a responsibility to hold both sides accountable to the public interest, but that doesn't mean we reflexively and artificially hold both sides "equally" accountable when the facts don't warrant that. I'm sure many of you have this week felt the stepped up Bush efforts to complain about our coverage. This is all part of their efforts to get away with as much as possible with the stepped up, renewed efforts to win the election by destroying Senator Kerry at least partly through distortions. It's up to Kerry to defend himself, of course. But as one of the few news organizations with the skill and strength to help voters evaluate what the candidates are saying to serve the public interest. Now is the time for all of us to step up and do that right. ----------------------------------------------------------- Filed By Matt Drudge ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #6 October 12, 2004 Not really a surprise. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #7 October 12, 2004 Oh I can get to Drudge's page. Its the links on it that are dead. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/ABCNEWSSpecials/halperin_mark_bio.html And the memo is so smugged that I think arabic is clearer then it is.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #8 October 12, 2004 It's classic liberal media bias. This is why I watch FOX to get an unbiased view of what's going on in the world. They are the most credible media outlet there is. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #9 October 12, 2004 QuoteIt's classic liberal media bias. This is why I watch FOX to get an unbiased view of what's going on in the world. They are the most credible media outlet there is. You are supposed to put a with statements like that or people will think you are a nutcase. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #10 October 12, 2004 It's been shown CBS the place to SeeBS, and now ABC is making itself look like A Bunch of Crap, showing bias all over the place. If the majority of news sources are baised left, just because another source doesn't lean left, is the only option that they are right leaning? Being to the right of major news outlets does not necessarily equate to being right of center. Keep it in mind.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #11 October 12, 2004 >Being to the right of major news outlets does not necessarily equate to > being right of center. Keep it in mind. Also keep in mind that the center is not defined by the average of all the people in power, but rather the average views of society as a whole - even when that society includes people you disagree with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #12 October 12, 2004 Quoteeven when that society includes people you disagree with. No, they don't have the right values and they're sheep, so their opinion doesn't count. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #13 October 12, 2004 QuoteIt's classic liberal media bias. This is why I watch FOX to get an unbiased view of what's going on in the world. They are the most credible media outlet there is. This coming from the news outlet that likes to put reporters in front of green screens and pretend like they are actually at an event? Riiiight. Fox is just as biased as all other news stations out there. With Fox we have proof of that even further when CEO R. Murdoch said he would do what it takes to see Bush get re-elected._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #14 October 12, 2004 QuoteIt's been shown CBS the place to SeeBS, and now ABC is making itself look like A Bunch of Crap, showing bias all over the place. Why does it seem that those on the right love to come up with names like this? Reminds me of what the kids on the playground used to do to cause a fight. Name calling. Do you or anyone else feel that name calling instead of fact finding and proof helps swing people to your side?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #15 October 12, 2004 I chuckle at liberals who call bias at FOX when they're the only ones not forging documents and sending out memos telling their employees to have bias towards Kerry. Last I checked FOX hasn't forged documents to sway an election. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #16 October 12, 2004 >they're the only ones not forging documents and sending out >memos telling their employees to have bias towards Kerry. From former Fox News Channel producer and writer Charlie Reina: -------------------------------------------------------------------- My advice to the pundits: If you really want to know about bias at Fox, talk to the grunts who work there - the desk assistants, tape editors, writers, researchers and assorted producers who have to deal with it every day. Ask enough of them what goes on, promise them anonymity, and you'll get the real story. The fact is, daily life at FNC is all about management politics. I say this having served six years there - as producer of the media criticism show, News Watch, as a writer/producer of specials and (for the last year of my stay) as a newsroom copy editor. Not once in the 20+ years I had worked in broadcast journalism prior to Fox - including lengthy stays at The Associated Press, CBS Radio and ABC/Good Morning America - did I feel any pressure to toe a management line. But at Fox, if my boss wasn't warning me to "be careful" how I handled the writing of a special about Ronald Reagan ("You know how Roger [Fox News Chairman Ailes] feels about him."), he was telling me how the environmental special I was to produce should lean ("You can give both sides, but make sure the pro-environmentalists don't get the last word.") Editorially, the FNC newsroom is under the constant control and vigilance of management. The pressure ranges from subtle to direct. First of all, it's a news network run by one of the most high-profile political operatives of recent times. Everyone there understands that FNC is, to a large extent, "Roger's Revenge" - against what he considers a liberal, pro-Democrat media establishment that has shunned him for decades. For the staffers, many of whom are too young to have come up through the ranks of objective journalism, and all of whom are non-union, with no protections regarding what they can be made to do, there is undue motivation to please the big boss. . . . . But the roots of FNC's day-to-day on-air bias are actual and direct. They come in the form of an executive memo distributed electronically each morning, addressing what stories will be covered and, often, suggesting how they should be covered. To the newsroom personnel responsible for the channel's daytime programming, The Memo is the bible. If, on any given day, you notice that the Fox anchors seem to be trying to drive a particular point home, you can bet The Memo is behind it. The Memo was born with the Bush administration, early in 2001, and, intentionally or not, has ensured that the administration's point of view consistently comes across on FNC. This year, of course, the war in Iraq became a constant subject of The Memo. But along with the obvious - information on who is where and what they'll be covering - there have been subtle hints as to the tone of the anchors' copy. For instance, from the March 20th memo: "There is something utterly incomprehensible about Kofi Annan's remarks in which he allows that his thoughts are 'with the Iraqi people.' One could ask where those thoughts were during the 23 years Saddam Hussein was brutalizing those same Iraqis. Food for thought." Can there be any doubt that the memo was offering not only "food for thought," but a direction for the FNC writers and anchors to go? Especially after describing the U.N. Secretary General's remarks as "utterly incomprehensible"? The sad truth is, such subtlety is often all it takes to send Fox's newsroom personnel into action - or inaction, as the case may be. One day this past spring, just after the U.S. invaded Iraq, The Memo warned us that anti-war protesters would be "whining" about U.S. bombs killing Iraqi civilians, and suggested they could tell that to the families of American soldiers dying there. Editing copy that morning, I was not surprised when an eager young producer killed a correspondent's report on the day's fighting - simply because it included a brief shot of children in an Iraqi hospital. These are not isolated incidents at Fox News Channel, where virtually no one of authority in the newsroom makes a move unmeasured against management's politics, actual or perceived. At the Fair and Balanced network, everyone knows management's point of view, and, in case they're not sure how to get it on air, The Memo is there to remind them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #17 October 12, 2004 QuoteFrom former Fox News Channel producer and writer Charlie Reina: I quit reading right after the word, "former". A disgruntled employee usually doesn't have nice things to say about their employer. Most of the times what they have to say are lies. Do you have any hardcore evidence or proof that they did this? Please tell me you have something more than the word of an ex employee. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #18 October 13, 2004 >A disgruntled employee usually doesn't have nice things to say about their employer. And a current employee is generally prohibited from saying anything bad about their employer. Thus, since you have decided that any employee who says anything bad must be disgruntled, you will never be exposed to any inconvenient info that disagrees with your perceptions. Sorta like getting all your information from FOX news, so that works out nicely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #19 October 13, 2004 QuoteI chuckle at liberals who call bias at FOX when they're the only ones not forging documents and sending out memos telling their employees to have bias towards Kerry. Last I checked FOX hasn't forged documents to sway an election. Last I checked CBS didn't forge any documents, they just did poor research on the documents to prove if they were valid. Someone else forged the documents. You may want to go back and re-read the news stories on that. Is Fox saying Dan Rather penned the letters now???? Does it matter that Roger Ailes the media strategist for Bush Sr is one of the top dogs at FoxNet? Wouldn't you consider the way a station portrays a candidate just as bias? Can you give me solid proof that ANY network has ZERO bias? I thought not._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #20 October 13, 2004 QuoteLast I checked CBS didn't forge any documents, they just did poor research on the documents to prove if they were valid. Someone else forged the documents. Correct, CBS didn't forge any documents; however, you're out a limb suggesting that it was simply "poor research". As has already been documented, CBS ignored three experts whose opinion was that the documents were forged, experts who told CBS that they'd be in a heap of trouble if they aired them as authentic. You're right, they didn't forge the actual documents, but to simply call it "poor research" is an afront to anyone with even a little bit of common sense. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #21 October 13, 2004 Quote QuoteLast I checked CBS didn't forge any documents, they just did poor research on the documents to prove if they were valid. Someone else forged the documents. Correct, CBS didn't forge any documents; however, you're out a limb suggesting that it was simply "poor research". As has already been documented, CBS ignored three experts whose opinion was that the documents were forged, experts who told CBS that they'd be in a heap of trouble if they aired them as authentic. You're right, they didn't forge the actual documents, but to simply call it "poor research" is an afront to anyone with even a little bit of common sense. Jim I heard they were advised against it, and heard the Gore Campaign turned them down. I had not heard about the three experts saying they shouldn't air them. Last I heard, most of the experts talking about that document were after the broadcast. But someone was claiming that CBS forged them. You want to talk about an afront?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #22 October 13, 2004 QuoteLast I heard, most of the experts talking about that document were after the broadcast. Of course it was after the broadcast, it wouldn't have been necessary had CBS sided with the original document examiners and accepted the documents for what they were, forgeries. QuoteBut someone was claiming that CBS forged them. You want to talk about an afront? TunaPlanet yakking to a pack of bickering, arguing, computer nerds hanging around a website based on skydiving is a bit different than Dan Rather trying to pass off forged documents as authentic to the North American population. Don't you think? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #23 October 13, 2004 Mr. Reina's political leanings come through loud and clear in his prose... Examples include, but are not limited to: - inferred helplessness of non-unionized workers - all young journalists aren't objective - I suppose he considers the obvious leftist bias at NBC/ABC/CBS to be objective in his paradigm of life; oh well... - Kofi Annan remarks...how about addressing the question vice considering it partisanship, Mr. Reina. It's a fair question. If you were a journalist, you might pose it yourself if you had the chance to interview Mr. Annan. Slamming FoxNews takes nothing away from the strong, well founded argument that the networks and CNN lean left. It's been shown over and over and over again. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #24 October 13, 2004 "Kerry distorts, takes out of context, and mistakes all the time, but these are not central to his efforts to win," It is OK because it is not central to his efforts to win! WTF? I don't see anything so damning in the complaint from the former employee. Editors do this type of thing, right? When a reporter is assigned a story, do they just get told to do it whatever way they want. The ABC memo is much worse than the supposed 'instructions' from Fox News bosses, in my opinion.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #25 October 13, 2004 QuoteBut as one of the few news organizations with the skill and strength to help voters evaluate what the candidates are saying to serve the public interest. Now is the time for all of us to step up and do that right. This guy is a news director?! He writes like shit! Why would there be a period between these two sentences? In fact, the first one is not a sentence, but a fragment! -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
