Ron 10 #1 October 11, 2004 http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.main/index.html Quote BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqis aligned with Medhi militia started trickling into police stations in Baghdad on Monday to exchange their weapons for coupons they can later use to get cash from the Iraqi government. Progress in Iraq."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #2 October 11, 2004 Progress. What a good word. I'm a believer. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #3 October 11, 2004 QuoteProgress. What a good word. I'm a believer. when the Anti-Gun crowd gets people over here to turn in weapons it is considered "progress" to them. I see people turning in weapons that would be used against our service men and women as progress. You may disagree."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #4 October 11, 2004 Quote when the Anti-Gun crowd gets people over here to turn in weapons it is considered "progress" to them. I see people turning in weapons that would be used against our service men and women as progress. You may disagree No, I will not disagree explicitly. Both sides of view are to be understood. Where to meet? I don't know. So I prefer to say: That's a small step into direction of progression. Not to be expected too much. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #5 October 11, 2004 QuoteThat's a small step into direction of progression. "a small step forward" also know as PROGRESS. You can argue whether or not it is a direction we all want to go, but you can't argue that it's not progress.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #6 October 11, 2004 Quote, but you can't argue that it's not progress I do not argue about that point. What do you mean? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,153 #7 October 11, 2004 QuoteQuoteProgress. What a good word. I'm a believer. when the Anti-Gun crowd gets people over here to turn in weapons it is considered "progress" to them. I see people turning in weapons that would be used against our service men and women as progress. You may disagree. So gun rights are OK for Americans but not for Iraqis?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #8 October 11, 2004 QuoteSo gun rights are OK for Americans but not for Iraqis? They are still ALLOWED to have them. They are turning them in for cash. They could keep them if they wanted to...Unlike NY, DC and California."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #9 October 11, 2004 Don't know if JohnRich and Kennedy would think that folks handing in their weapons counts as progress.............................Opps! Missed kennedys post, hell guess he's a liberal after all!When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #10 October 11, 2004 QuoteProgress in Iraq. It's good news, but we have been in exactly this position with the Medhi militia once before and it didn't last, so I don't think we should get too hopeful just yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #11 October 12, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteProgress. What a good word. I'm a believer. when the Anti-Gun crowd gets people over here to turn in weapons it is considered "progress" to them. I see people turning in weapons that would be used against our service men and women as progress. You may disagree. So gun rights are OK for Americans but not for Iraqis? Except for isolated instances of crimes, we do not have WAR-ZONE-type violence on our streets, in general. I don't necessarily believe that weapon hand-ins are the way to go in these places. Who is going to hand over their weapons? Certainly not anyone intent on continuing to fight and kill. So what good are they? They're no more functional or useful than signs in stores that say, "No concealed weapons allowed." We all know how much attention robbers pay to those signs. But in a place like Iraq, it is easy to see why taking automatic rifles and rocket-propelled grenades from the general populace might serve a safety-related function; but since we don't conduct ourselves like that in America, we keep our guns because on the whole, we're not acting like psycopaths with them. (And before you cite some anecdotal crime statitistics or examples, I would remind you that with 80,000,000 guns owners and 250,000,000 guns, we don't have anything remotely like a "gun crime wave" going on here. The VAST majority of guns and gun owners are not involved in any criminal violence.) -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #12 October 12, 2004 Quotehttp://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.main/index.html Quote BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqis aligned with Medhi militia started trickling into police stations in Baghdad on Monday to exchange their weapons for coupons they can later use to get cash from the Iraqi government. Progress in Iraq. I don't know dude. I agree that much progress is being made in Iraq, however, those "weapons turn-in programs" aren't worth a damn. They never turn in their workable weapons. They just turn in rusted out artifacts that wouldn't be off any use anyway just to get money or privilages. I've participated in organizing many of those in Afghanistan. They were very disappointing and frustrating. However, I can't really blame them. If I lived in a place as dangerous as that, I wouldn't want to give up my only protection. They'd have to come and take my weapons. I would't willingly hand them over. I have mixed feelings about this. It's something we've got to do because there's just too much shit out there. On the other hand, I can sympathize with the ordinary man there. I wouldn't feel much safer if the militia's making a show and giving up some weapons. I certainly wouldn't let my guard down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #13 October 12, 2004 They turn in crappy weapons to get money to buy better weapons.. They shouldn't get money for guns.. They should get food stamps... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #14 October 12, 2004 QuoteThey turn in crappy weapons to get money to buy better weapons.. They shouldn't get money for guns.. They should get food stamps... You're exactly right. That's the way it was. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #15 October 12, 2004 QuoteThey'd have to come and take my weapons. I would't willingly hand them over. I have mixed feelings about this. It's something we've got to do because there's just too much shit out there. On the other hand, I can sympathize with the ordinary man there. I wouldn't feel much safer if the militia's making a show and giving up some weapons. I certainly wouldn't let my guard down. Very well said. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #16 October 12, 2004 "You may disagree." Not this time, its got to be a good thing.News said they were paying 50 bucks a pop for hand-ins, and one guy walked away with $14,000. The cynic in me can't help but see a new demand for assualt weapons due to relaxing a ban, and a brand new supply of the things appears. Joking aside, its a good thing.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #17 October 12, 2004 QuoteThe cynic in me can't help but see a new demand for assualt weapons due to relaxing a ban, and a brand new supply of the things appears. Joking aside, its a good thing. Um, a ban is relaxed, so a demand appears from nowhere because of that, and then a supply appears? Why would the end of the ban create a new demand? Either people wanted it before the ban ended or not. Of course, the fact remains that during the U.S. "assault weapons ban," every single thing that was "banned" remained completely legal to sell, buy and own -- but certain non-functional characteristics had to be modified on certain models of firearm in order to keep making them. Yeah, there's a ban that was accomplishing something good. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #18 October 12, 2004 I was joking dude, hence the wee smiley mannies. I know better than to discuss guns here these days.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 626 #19 October 12, 2004 yip - you're from the UK where gun crime is out of control and people get shot every 15 minutes btw - I like you're thinking a war for cheap assault weapons not oil makes far more sence its a better vote winner Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #20 October 12, 2004 Quoteyip - you're from the UK where gun crime is out of control and people get shot every 15 minutes How funny! I just was in London for 2 weeks, I did not see any dead body, no High Noon in the streets... what did I do wrong? Lord, where have I been? Perhaps that was an error and I was in NYC?? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #21 October 12, 2004 "I like you're thinking a war for cheap assault weapons not oil makes far more sence its a better vote winner." I've never believed it was about oil, and have been quite vocal about this belief, I reckon its something far more sinister.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #22 October 12, 2004 Quote"I like you're thinking a war for cheap assault weapons not oil makes far more sence its a better vote winner." I've never believed it was about oil, and have been quite vocal about this belief, I reckon its something far more sinister. Maybe it's just the start of a crusade to make the world safe from radical islam. We can only hope! -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
