sundevil777 102 #1 October 8, 2004 We've been here for 25 years now. We export more vehicles from the US than any other mfg (it was true a few years ago at least), and we now design and test a lot of vehicles here. Mfg in Ohio: Accords, Civics, Acura TL, and Honda Element, 4 & 6 cyl engines, and many motorcycles Mfg in Alabama: Honda Odyssey & Pilot (soon) Mfg in Alliston Ontario: (still N. America-Canada is OK ) Acura MDX, Honda Pilot, new Honda truck (soon) Plus power equipment (mowers/pumps/etc) in North Carolina, and other stuff I have forgotten. Hondas have very high domestic content, But when you are pandering to the United Auto Workers...(see attachment) edit - sorry it is a little bit small/hard to read.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #2 October 8, 2004 Hmmm... It might be the 4 Shiner Bocks that I've had tonight, but at first glance it looked like the thread title here was "What John Kerry says about Handjobs..." Heh...[/buzzed] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #3 October 8, 2004 QuoteI want the cars of the future built in the Unites States of America, and I want them built by UAW workers, and that's what I'm going to fight for. That's his message and his stance. the Honda/Toyota comment is metaphorical. He's not right to say that, but he doesn't plan to drive foreign companies out of manufacturing in the US. QuoteWe export more vehicles from the US than any other mfg Then any other FOREIGN manufacturer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #4 October 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteI want the cars of the future built in the Unites States of America, and I want them built by UAW workers, and that's what I'm going to fight for. But when it comes to drug companies, he wants to run U.S. drug companies out of business, and buy all our drugs from Canada instead... U.S. drug companies: bad Canada drug companies: good Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #5 October 8, 2004 QuoteBut when it comes to drug companies, he wants to run U.S. drug companies out of business, and buy all our drugs from Canada instead... Ummmm, it's called RE-importation. The drugs are manufactured by US drug companies, exported to Canada and sold at lower priced than they are here. He wants to allow purchasing cheaper drugs from Canadian pharmacies. The drugs are still made by US companies in the US. Nice try though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #6 October 8, 2004 Quote. He wants to allow purchasing cheaper drugs from Canadian pharmacies. But what about the US pharmacies? How many will loose their jobs? What is the differnece in that and offshoring other jobs? JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #7 October 8, 2004 QuoteQuote. He wants to allow purchasing cheaper drugs from Canadian pharmacies. But what about the US pharmacies? How many will loose their jobs? What is the differnece in that and offshoring other jobs? J The difference is that the profit margins for the pharmacies are the same. The pharmacies themselves have no competetive advantage due to a cheap labor force. As soon as re-importation is permitted, there is no longer any incentive for US drug makers to gouge US pharmacies. Offshoring other jobs is done to exploit a cheaper work force, the only way to compete would be to lower wages here. In this case, the way to compete would be for drug companies to lower their prices here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #8 October 8, 2004 QuoteThe drugs are manufactured by US drug companies, exported to Canada and sold at lower priced than they are here. He wants to allow purchasing cheaper drugs from Canadian pharmacies. The drugs are still made by US companies in the US. Sure about that? Canadian pharmacies can also get cheaper generics than we can because they're being made in India and Mexico. I know several doctors (not drug company employees) who are rabidly against letting these drugs in the us because there is virtuall no control on their quality. In fact, some have been found to have traces of heavy metals and other contaminants. These 3rd world companies even go as far as to forge packaging and sell the drugs as name-brand medication. Until there's more control from the Canadian side, I'm not all for this "re-importation", because that's not always what you get. Now, the drug companies selling the same shit to Canada for lower prices is BS for sure. Maybe they'll just solve the problem by raising ALL their prices? After all, we don't want the entire US drug industry to move somewhere that will let them do what they want, right?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #9 October 8, 2004 That's a good point, however that's another part of the problem. First of all there are controls on the quality for most manufacturers. They just don't happen to be FDA certified. And the reason they aren't FDA certified is because the FDA won't certify non-US manufacturers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #10 October 8, 2004 QuoteAnd the reason they aren't FDA certified is because the FDA won't certify non-US manufacturers. Are you sure? I thought at least some French companies were certified. Maybe not. Either way, apparently there's good reason for the FDA to NOT certify companies outside the US when they get bunk drugs crossing the border all the time. I have to agree with the doctors here... unless we KNOW what we're getting... screw it. Pay more and be much more sure.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #11 October 8, 2004 I'm on several regular medications (regular meaning daily dosage, forseeable future). I don't want to take drugs that may be imported from other countries...if I wanted to, I could literally pay 1/3 of my regular price if I bought over the 'net. I'll continue to buy (with no insurance) these medications from the pharmacy near by, because they help me stay healthy. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #12 October 8, 2004 St Pete Times QuoteOhio sure would like federal lawmakers to at least try something to help. China is turning into an economic powerhouse far faster than anyone expected, economic experts here say. Consider, for example, that we may see a China-based car company selling low-priced and reliable vehicles in the United States within 18 to 24 months. QuoteJohn Colm, director of a regional business assistance group called WireNet, gave examples of small area companies that made components for vacuum cleaners, steel wire mesh and paper tubes used in painting that had been knocked out by Chinese competition. In a chilling comparison, Colm said China could sell a final product for less than the U.S. manufacturer could buy the raw materials needed just to make that product. QuoteOhio - and the United States - is in danger of losing what he called its innovation infrastructure. The idea that we will have a spirit of innovative engineering when the economy returns is misleading, he warned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #13 October 8, 2004 QuoteI'm on several regular medications (regular meaning daily dosage, forseeable future). I don't want to take drugs that may be imported from other countries...if I wanted to, I could literally pay 1/3 of my regular price if I bought over the 'net. I'll continue to buy (with no insurance) these medications from the pharmacy near by, because they help me stay healthy. Ciels- Michele Good for you. That's your prerogative. Others that don't mind don't have a choice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #14 October 8, 2004 QuoteGood for you. That's your prerogative. Others that don't mind don't have a choice. What do you mean, no choice? I'm not sure I understand... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #15 October 8, 2004 QuoteWhat do you mean, no choice? I'm not sure I understand... John Ashcroft has declared it a primary goal to prosecute anyone who purchases drugs from Canada. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #16 October 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteGood for you. That's your prerogative. Others that don't mind don't have a choice. What do you mean, no choice? I'm not sure I understand... Ciels- Michele Ummm - choice means that the Government doesn't get to make your decisions for you. Some of us like that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #17 October 9, 2004 QuoteJohn Ashcroft has declared it a primary goal to prosecute anyone who purchases drugs from Canada. I must have missed that newscast. In any event, I don't have insurance coverage, and yet must take medication daily. Would I like to see the prices go down? Certainly. Do I think that quality should be compromised to do so? No. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #18 October 9, 2004 QuoteQuote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We export more vehicles from the US than any other mfg -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then any other FOREIGN manufacturer. That is not what I meant to say. Do you have information to say different? edit - do you consider Chrysler a foreign mfg?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #19 October 9, 2004 I think Canada was successful at getting low prices for some meds to get access to their market for all products. I think the drug companies will not continue the discount if re-importation is widespread. The Canadian market will not be worth it at some point. Better get the discount while it lasts.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
