goofyjumper 0 #1 October 6, 2004 Well I knew it all along, but for those who insist on believing everything the Bush Administration says, I hope this is an eye opener. http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=World&cat=Iraq God I feel so sorry for thoses troops who have died for nothing......or as Bush actually quoted..."Saddam tried to kill my Daddy." I am sure the parents will understand, especially when Bush Jr got out of war, during Vietnam because of his Daddy! Hey, maybe Bush should encourage his little precious twins to join the military.....no not as officers, but as Enlisted! Someone should ask him that!----------------- I love and Miss you so much Honey! Orfun #3 ~ Darla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goofyjumper 0 #2 October 6, 2004 oh and check this out also for really ignorant folks who have never had to deal with the realities of war. http://www.guardian.co.uk/...2763,1319718,00.html----------------- I love and Miss you so much Honey! Orfun #3 ~ Darla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,577 #3 October 6, 2004 No one in Iraq who has died has died for nothing. No one. They died doing the duty they were sworn to, each and everyone. As well as people who have been injured, and served. If there aren't WMD, that's a sad issue, but it by no means lessens what each and every person there does to fulfil their duty. We didn't belong there for the reasons stated -- I won't disagree with that for a minute. And I hope that we have a better way out of there than it appears right now. But the soldiers, contractors, reporters, and aid workers from Iraq and other nations are all doing their best to play their individual parts as well as possible, and that's honorable, and it's not nothing. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #4 October 6, 2004 o.k. Goofy.......... Pop Quiz..... Sadham and his sons smuggled BILLIONS of dollars worth of OIL out of Iraq while the sanctions were in place. Don't you think "If there were WMD's", which we know there were. That WMD's could have EASILY been smuggled out of the country before the impending war? Anyone and I mean ANYONE that denies this possibility is an absolute FUCKING IDIOT... For Gods sake.......... Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #5 October 6, 2004 QuoteNo one in Iraq who has died has died for nothing. No one. They died doing the duty they were sworn to, each and everyone. As well as people who have been injured, and served. If there aren't WMD, that's a sad issue, but it by no means lessens what each and every person there does to fulfil their duty. We didn't belong there for the reasons stated -- I won't disagree with that for a minute. And I hope that we have a better way out of there than it appears right now. But the soldiers, contractors, reporters, and aid workers from Iraq and other nations are all doing their best to play their individual parts as well as possible, and that's honorable, and it's not nothing. Wendy W. Damn, Wendy. Well said. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #6 October 6, 2004 QuoteNo one in Iraq who has died has died for nothing. No one. Everybody of those guys died because of wrong informations/intel. Do not try to coate that fact. QuoteThey died doing the duty they were sworn to, each and everyone. As well as people who have been injured, and served. If there aren't WMD, that's a sad issue, but it by no means lessens what each and every person there does to fulfil their duty. We didn't belong there for the reasons stated -- I won't disagree with that for a minute. And I hope that we have a better way out of there than it appears right now. But the soldiers, contractors, reporters, and aid workers from Iraq and other nations are all doing their best to play their individual parts as well as possible, and that's honorable, and it's not nothing. Wasted lifes. They did not swear to give their lifes for BS based on completely wrong facts. That's hurting. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #7 October 6, 2004 MEEP, MEEP, MEEP, MEEP... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,100 #8 October 6, 2004 >Anyone and I mean ANYONE that denies this possibility is an absolute FUCKING IDIOT... ----------------- Contradicting the main argument for a war that has cost more than 1,000 American lives, the top U.S. arms inspector reported Wednesday that he found no evidence that Iraq produced any weapons of mass destruction after 1991. He also concluded that Saddam Hussein's weapons capability weakened during a dozen years of U.N. sanctions before the U.S. invasion last year. Contrary to prewar statements by President Bush and top administration officials, Saddam did not have chemical and biological stockpiles when the war began and his nuclear capabilities were deteriorating, not advancing, according to the report by Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey Group. ----------------- I guess there are a lot of "absolute fucking idiots" in our government, then. You should give 'em a call and let them know where they got off track. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #9 October 6, 2004 QuoteMEEP, MEEP, MEEP, MEEP... JEEP, JEEP, JEEP, JEEP... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,577 #10 October 6, 2004 QuoteThey did not swear to give their lifes for BS based on completely wrong facts They swore to uphold their commander in chief's decisions (or the newspaper's, or the UN's, or Doctors Without Borders, etc). They are doing that honorably. I do hope that we fire the current commander in chief. Especially after this. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goofyjumper 0 #11 October 6, 2004 Quote Anyone and I mean ANYONE that denies this possibility is an absolute FUCKING IDIOT... For Gods sake.......... Ok Rhino.......why is it if we are so fucking smart and the most powerful country in the world, then why is it that there has been no evidence of WMD? since 1991? Also, we have got N. Korea of there goimg "hi we have WMDnd we want to use them on them" and our fearless leader wants to make peace with them........explain it to me because I DON'T FUCKING GET IT! That is like someone threatening to hit you in the face and then tellig you that; but you decide t blame some other person and go and punch him in the face. Don't get me wrong Saddam is crazy! But so is Kim so and so from N.Korea. and many many other leaders of many other countries!----------------- I love and Miss you so much Honey! Orfun #3 ~ Darla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goofyjumper 0 #12 October 6, 2004 QuoteQuoteNo one in Iraq who has died has died for nothing. No one. Everybody of those guys died because of wrong informations/intel. Do not try to coate that fact. _________________________________________ Thank you, they did do their duty, I am not disputing that. Why is it everytime someone mentions troops, people get in an up-roar, like we are trying to blame them.. I was in the military! I would never blame a soldier!----------------- I love and Miss you so much Honey! Orfun #3 ~ Darla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #13 October 6, 2004 as bill and others have pointed out.. you cannot smuggle something you do not have... another sad thing is we KNEW what the shelf life was for what he was known to have previously.... it had all expired.... " wouldnt want to let reality interfere with your template..." ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #14 October 6, 2004 ***Wasted lifes. They did not swear to give their lifes for BS based on completely wrong facts. That's hurting. That statement is.... total unadulterated BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unfuckingbelievable!!!!!!!!Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goofyjumper 0 #15 October 6, 2004 Quote***Wasted lifes. They did not swear to give their lifes for BS based on completely wrong facts. That's hurting. That statement is.... total unadulterated BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unfuckingbelievable!!!!!!!! Then why don't explain why you think that instead of just sounding like a person who only knows how to swear----------------- I love and Miss you so much Honey! Orfun #3 ~ Darla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites miked10270 0 #16 October 6, 2004 Is not war the business of wasted lives? Insert Hermann Goering quote here. Mike. BTW... Where's my jokes? Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #17 October 6, 2004 QuoteWasted lifes. They did not swear to give their lifes for BS based on completely wrong facts. they swore to give their lives if and when they were called apon to do so.. it is the leadership's responsibility to make sure that their sacrifice is necessary and justified... Their lives were never wasted... misapplied perhaps. but that is an EXTREMELY important distinction... when you say ‘wasted’ you demean their service..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #18 October 6, 2004 There's no oil and lucrative reconstruction contracts in North Korea to profit from. So there is no need to remove North Korea's leadership of their WMDs. For sure some people will disagree with me (and flame me), but it sure looks like this war was about $$$ and not WMD. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #19 October 6, 2004 QuoteQuoteNo one in Iraq who has died has died for nothing. No one. They died doing the duty they were sworn to, each and everyone. As well as people who have been injured, and served. If there aren't WMD, that's a sad issue, but it by no means lessens what each and every person there does to fulfil their duty. We didn't belong there for the reasons stated -- I won't disagree with that for a minute. And I hope that we have a better way out of there than it appears right now. But the soldiers, contractors, reporters, and aid workers from Iraq and other nations are all doing their best to play their individual parts as well as possible, and that's honorable, and it's not nothing. Wendy W. Damn, Wendy. Well said. - Jim Agreed, but you forgot the disclaimer used by many of the veterans on this site that your statement doesn't apply to anyone who has complained about the war. Those whining pussies deserved to die and are not honroable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,144 #20 October 6, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteNo one in Iraq who has died has died for nothing. No one. Everybody of those guys died because of wrong informations/intel. Do not try to coate that fact. _________________________________________ Thank you, they did do their duty, I am not disputing that. Why is it everytime someone mentions troops, people get in an up-roar, like we are trying to blame them.. I was in the military! I would never blame a soldier! The old expression "Lions led by donkeys" comes to mind. Getting the ass out of the White House should be priority #1.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goofyjumper 0 #21 October 6, 2004 QuoteThere's no oil and lucrative reconstruction contracts in North Korea to profit from. So there is no need to remove North Korea's leadership of their WMDs. For sure some people will disagree with me (and flame me), but it sure looks like this war was about $$$ and not WMD. Exactly!----------------- I love and Miss you so much Honey! Orfun #3 ~ Darla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #22 October 6, 2004 QuoteFor sure some people will disagree with me (and flame me), but it sure looks like this war was about $$$ and not WMD. For all the Saddam apologists out there........ If it was really about oil it would have been a lot easier to invade the Sultanate of Brunei( a lot more oil a lot smaller army) If it was about money,it would have been a lot easier to annex,invade,liberate Japan, Switzerland,Canada,etc. I guess the fact that we rid the world of a murderous despot, saved tens of thousands of Kurds, and are giving the Iraqi people a shot at self determination doesnt count for much at least to some people ....Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,144 #23 October 6, 2004 Quote I guess the fact that we rid the world of a murderous despot, saved tens of thousands of Kurds, and are giving the Iraqi people a shot at self determination doesnt count for much at least to some people .... Well, since it killed tens of thousands of innocent people and over 1,000 US troops, it looks like that excuse is a bit of an exaggeration. Bush apologists really ought to re-read his State of the Union Address, January 2003.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,100 #24 October 6, 2004 >If it was really about oil it would have been a lot easier to invade the >Sultanate of Brunei( a lot more oil a lot smaller army) By the time we invaded Iraq it had no military to speak of. Years of bombing had decimated them to a handful of ground troops that we quickly overcame. Also, Iraq has the second largest oil reserves in the world. >If it was about money,it would have been a lot easier to >annex,invade,liberate Japan, Switzerland,Canada,etc. They can all fight back, and it would have been unpopular. >I guess the fact that we rid the world of a murderous despot, saved tens > of thousands of Kurds . . . By killing seven thousand Iraqis? >and are giving the Iraqi people a shot at self determination doesnt > count for much at least to some people .... It's a nice idea. Killing 7000 Iraqis to do it might not be such a good idea, and leading 1000 US troops to their deaths make it a pretty heavy price to pay for a country that - AT BEST - will become a shaky representative government with as much stability (and as much killing) as the West Bank. I don't think we invaded solely for oil. It was one of a host of reasons, of which the primary one was fulfilling the goals of PNAC. The reason that the administration gave was WMD's, because it was the one reason they could get away with politically. It's really scary! What senator/representative will vote against defending the US from someone who can launch a nuke on 45 minutes warning? That turns out to have been untrue. Saddam had no WMD programs. That's why so many people have problems with the war - they were sold a bill of goods that was false, then later told that the ten thousand some odd dead should be ignored in the face of how many Iraqis had electricity. We turned a stable dictatorial society, where a draconian order was imposed by a ruthless tyrant, into a chaotic society where hundreds die every month, and where we will remain for years watching Iraqis and US soldiers die. This is an improvement? Think the Iraqis who lost their brothers and sisters will thank us for this? We screwed up, plain and simple. Now we have to admit our mistake, take our lumps, and do the best we can to stabilize Iraq. It will be a bloody and expensive decade that will leave us with thousands of dead US soldiers, an occupation that will never truly bring stability, and a reputation as a murderous occupier. We will be less safe in a world where most people in the Middle East sees us as uncaring killers rather than a force for good, which is what we usually are. That's the price we will pay for this war. It's too bad more people were not told of it before it was sold to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CornishChris 5 #25 October 6, 2004 That was extremely well written Billvon. CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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Zenister 0 #13 October 6, 2004 as bill and others have pointed out.. you cannot smuggle something you do not have... another sad thing is we KNEW what the shelf life was for what he was known to have previously.... it had all expired.... " wouldnt want to let reality interfere with your template..." ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #14 October 6, 2004 ***Wasted lifes. They did not swear to give their lifes for BS based on completely wrong facts. That's hurting. That statement is.... total unadulterated BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unfuckingbelievable!!!!!!!!Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goofyjumper 0 #15 October 6, 2004 Quote***Wasted lifes. They did not swear to give their lifes for BS based on completely wrong facts. That's hurting. That statement is.... total unadulterated BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unfuckingbelievable!!!!!!!! Then why don't explain why you think that instead of just sounding like a person who only knows how to swear----------------- I love and Miss you so much Honey! Orfun #3 ~ Darla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #16 October 6, 2004 Is not war the business of wasted lives? Insert Hermann Goering quote here. Mike. BTW... Where's my jokes? Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #17 October 6, 2004 QuoteWasted lifes. They did not swear to give their lifes for BS based on completely wrong facts. they swore to give their lives if and when they were called apon to do so.. it is the leadership's responsibility to make sure that their sacrifice is necessary and justified... Their lives were never wasted... misapplied perhaps. but that is an EXTREMELY important distinction... when you say ‘wasted’ you demean their service..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #18 October 6, 2004 There's no oil and lucrative reconstruction contracts in North Korea to profit from. So there is no need to remove North Korea's leadership of their WMDs. For sure some people will disagree with me (and flame me), but it sure looks like this war was about $$$ and not WMD. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #19 October 6, 2004 QuoteQuoteNo one in Iraq who has died has died for nothing. No one. They died doing the duty they were sworn to, each and everyone. As well as people who have been injured, and served. If there aren't WMD, that's a sad issue, but it by no means lessens what each and every person there does to fulfil their duty. We didn't belong there for the reasons stated -- I won't disagree with that for a minute. And I hope that we have a better way out of there than it appears right now. But the soldiers, contractors, reporters, and aid workers from Iraq and other nations are all doing their best to play their individual parts as well as possible, and that's honorable, and it's not nothing. Wendy W. Damn, Wendy. Well said. - Jim Agreed, but you forgot the disclaimer used by many of the veterans on this site that your statement doesn't apply to anyone who has complained about the war. Those whining pussies deserved to die and are not honroable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,144 #20 October 6, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteNo one in Iraq who has died has died for nothing. No one. Everybody of those guys died because of wrong informations/intel. Do not try to coate that fact. _________________________________________ Thank you, they did do their duty, I am not disputing that. Why is it everytime someone mentions troops, people get in an up-roar, like we are trying to blame them.. I was in the military! I would never blame a soldier! The old expression "Lions led by donkeys" comes to mind. Getting the ass out of the White House should be priority #1.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goofyjumper 0 #21 October 6, 2004 QuoteThere's no oil and lucrative reconstruction contracts in North Korea to profit from. So there is no need to remove North Korea's leadership of their WMDs. For sure some people will disagree with me (and flame me), but it sure looks like this war was about $$$ and not WMD. Exactly!----------------- I love and Miss you so much Honey! Orfun #3 ~ Darla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #22 October 6, 2004 QuoteFor sure some people will disagree with me (and flame me), but it sure looks like this war was about $$$ and not WMD. For all the Saddam apologists out there........ If it was really about oil it would have been a lot easier to invade the Sultanate of Brunei( a lot more oil a lot smaller army) If it was about money,it would have been a lot easier to annex,invade,liberate Japan, Switzerland,Canada,etc. I guess the fact that we rid the world of a murderous despot, saved tens of thousands of Kurds, and are giving the Iraqi people a shot at self determination doesnt count for much at least to some people ....Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,144 #23 October 6, 2004 Quote I guess the fact that we rid the world of a murderous despot, saved tens of thousands of Kurds, and are giving the Iraqi people a shot at self determination doesnt count for much at least to some people .... Well, since it killed tens of thousands of innocent people and over 1,000 US troops, it looks like that excuse is a bit of an exaggeration. Bush apologists really ought to re-read his State of the Union Address, January 2003.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,100 #24 October 6, 2004 >If it was really about oil it would have been a lot easier to invade the >Sultanate of Brunei( a lot more oil a lot smaller army) By the time we invaded Iraq it had no military to speak of. Years of bombing had decimated them to a handful of ground troops that we quickly overcame. Also, Iraq has the second largest oil reserves in the world. >If it was about money,it would have been a lot easier to >annex,invade,liberate Japan, Switzerland,Canada,etc. They can all fight back, and it would have been unpopular. >I guess the fact that we rid the world of a murderous despot, saved tens > of thousands of Kurds . . . By killing seven thousand Iraqis? >and are giving the Iraqi people a shot at self determination doesnt > count for much at least to some people .... It's a nice idea. Killing 7000 Iraqis to do it might not be such a good idea, and leading 1000 US troops to their deaths make it a pretty heavy price to pay for a country that - AT BEST - will become a shaky representative government with as much stability (and as much killing) as the West Bank. I don't think we invaded solely for oil. It was one of a host of reasons, of which the primary one was fulfilling the goals of PNAC. The reason that the administration gave was WMD's, because it was the one reason they could get away with politically. It's really scary! What senator/representative will vote against defending the US from someone who can launch a nuke on 45 minutes warning? That turns out to have been untrue. Saddam had no WMD programs. That's why so many people have problems with the war - they were sold a bill of goods that was false, then later told that the ten thousand some odd dead should be ignored in the face of how many Iraqis had electricity. We turned a stable dictatorial society, where a draconian order was imposed by a ruthless tyrant, into a chaotic society where hundreds die every month, and where we will remain for years watching Iraqis and US soldiers die. This is an improvement? Think the Iraqis who lost their brothers and sisters will thank us for this? We screwed up, plain and simple. Now we have to admit our mistake, take our lumps, and do the best we can to stabilize Iraq. It will be a bloody and expensive decade that will leave us with thousands of dead US soldiers, an occupation that will never truly bring stability, and a reputation as a murderous occupier. We will be less safe in a world where most people in the Middle East sees us as uncaring killers rather than a force for good, which is what we usually are. That's the price we will pay for this war. It's too bad more people were not told of it before it was sold to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CornishChris 5 #25 October 6, 2004 That was extremely well written Billvon. CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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goofyjumper 0 #21 October 6, 2004 QuoteThere's no oil and lucrative reconstruction contracts in North Korea to profit from. So there is no need to remove North Korea's leadership of their WMDs. For sure some people will disagree with me (and flame me), but it sure looks like this war was about $$$ and not WMD. Exactly!----------------- I love and Miss you so much Honey! Orfun #3 ~ Darla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #22 October 6, 2004 QuoteFor sure some people will disagree with me (and flame me), but it sure looks like this war was about $$$ and not WMD. For all the Saddam apologists out there........ If it was really about oil it would have been a lot easier to invade the Sultanate of Brunei( a lot more oil a lot smaller army) If it was about money,it would have been a lot easier to annex,invade,liberate Japan, Switzerland,Canada,etc. I guess the fact that we rid the world of a murderous despot, saved tens of thousands of Kurds, and are giving the Iraqi people a shot at self determination doesnt count for much at least to some people ....Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,144 #23 October 6, 2004 Quote I guess the fact that we rid the world of a murderous despot, saved tens of thousands of Kurds, and are giving the Iraqi people a shot at self determination doesnt count for much at least to some people .... Well, since it killed tens of thousands of innocent people and over 1,000 US troops, it looks like that excuse is a bit of an exaggeration. Bush apologists really ought to re-read his State of the Union Address, January 2003.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,100 #24 October 6, 2004 >If it was really about oil it would have been a lot easier to invade the >Sultanate of Brunei( a lot more oil a lot smaller army) By the time we invaded Iraq it had no military to speak of. Years of bombing had decimated them to a handful of ground troops that we quickly overcame. Also, Iraq has the second largest oil reserves in the world. >If it was about money,it would have been a lot easier to >annex,invade,liberate Japan, Switzerland,Canada,etc. They can all fight back, and it would have been unpopular. >I guess the fact that we rid the world of a murderous despot, saved tens > of thousands of Kurds . . . By killing seven thousand Iraqis? >and are giving the Iraqi people a shot at self determination doesnt > count for much at least to some people .... It's a nice idea. Killing 7000 Iraqis to do it might not be such a good idea, and leading 1000 US troops to their deaths make it a pretty heavy price to pay for a country that - AT BEST - will become a shaky representative government with as much stability (and as much killing) as the West Bank. I don't think we invaded solely for oil. It was one of a host of reasons, of which the primary one was fulfilling the goals of PNAC. The reason that the administration gave was WMD's, because it was the one reason they could get away with politically. It's really scary! What senator/representative will vote against defending the US from someone who can launch a nuke on 45 minutes warning? That turns out to have been untrue. Saddam had no WMD programs. That's why so many people have problems with the war - they were sold a bill of goods that was false, then later told that the ten thousand some odd dead should be ignored in the face of how many Iraqis had electricity. We turned a stable dictatorial society, where a draconian order was imposed by a ruthless tyrant, into a chaotic society where hundreds die every month, and where we will remain for years watching Iraqis and US soldiers die. This is an improvement? Think the Iraqis who lost their brothers and sisters will thank us for this? We screwed up, plain and simple. Now we have to admit our mistake, take our lumps, and do the best we can to stabilize Iraq. It will be a bloody and expensive decade that will leave us with thousands of dead US soldiers, an occupation that will never truly bring stability, and a reputation as a murderous occupier. We will be less safe in a world where most people in the Middle East sees us as uncaring killers rather than a force for good, which is what we usually are. That's the price we will pay for this war. It's too bad more people were not told of it before it was sold to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CornishChris 5 #25 October 6, 2004 That was extremely well written Billvon. CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
kallend 2,144 #23 October 6, 2004 Quote I guess the fact that we rid the world of a murderous despot, saved tens of thousands of Kurds, and are giving the Iraqi people a shot at self determination doesnt count for much at least to some people .... Well, since it killed tens of thousands of innocent people and over 1,000 US troops, it looks like that excuse is a bit of an exaggeration. Bush apologists really ought to re-read his State of the Union Address, January 2003.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,100 #24 October 6, 2004 >If it was really about oil it would have been a lot easier to invade the >Sultanate of Brunei( a lot more oil a lot smaller army) By the time we invaded Iraq it had no military to speak of. Years of bombing had decimated them to a handful of ground troops that we quickly overcame. Also, Iraq has the second largest oil reserves in the world. >If it was about money,it would have been a lot easier to >annex,invade,liberate Japan, Switzerland,Canada,etc. They can all fight back, and it would have been unpopular. >I guess the fact that we rid the world of a murderous despot, saved tens > of thousands of Kurds . . . By killing seven thousand Iraqis? >and are giving the Iraqi people a shot at self determination doesnt > count for much at least to some people .... It's a nice idea. Killing 7000 Iraqis to do it might not be such a good idea, and leading 1000 US troops to their deaths make it a pretty heavy price to pay for a country that - AT BEST - will become a shaky representative government with as much stability (and as much killing) as the West Bank. I don't think we invaded solely for oil. It was one of a host of reasons, of which the primary one was fulfilling the goals of PNAC. The reason that the administration gave was WMD's, because it was the one reason they could get away with politically. It's really scary! What senator/representative will vote against defending the US from someone who can launch a nuke on 45 minutes warning? That turns out to have been untrue. Saddam had no WMD programs. That's why so many people have problems with the war - they were sold a bill of goods that was false, then later told that the ten thousand some odd dead should be ignored in the face of how many Iraqis had electricity. We turned a stable dictatorial society, where a draconian order was imposed by a ruthless tyrant, into a chaotic society where hundreds die every month, and where we will remain for years watching Iraqis and US soldiers die. This is an improvement? Think the Iraqis who lost their brothers and sisters will thank us for this? We screwed up, plain and simple. Now we have to admit our mistake, take our lumps, and do the best we can to stabilize Iraq. It will be a bloody and expensive decade that will leave us with thousands of dead US soldiers, an occupation that will never truly bring stability, and a reputation as a murderous occupier. We will be less safe in a world where most people in the Middle East sees us as uncaring killers rather than a force for good, which is what we usually are. That's the price we will pay for this war. It's too bad more people were not told of it before it was sold to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #25 October 6, 2004 That was extremely well written Billvon. CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
