pajarito 0 #26 October 6, 2004 Cheney took Edwards to school tonight. No doubt about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #27 October 6, 2004 When Edwards opened the door on Cheneys record Cheney opened up on Edwards attendance record in the Senate... Said that until this evening he had never even met Edwards his attendance was so poor.. OMG, Cheney took Edwards to the cleaners on that one. Threw him a blanket party even... Edwards was totally freakin flabbergasted.. .Bwahahahahahahahaha..... Cheney for President!! Well... He's probably been running the White House anyways... lol Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InflightSupv 0 #28 October 6, 2004 QuoteDid Edwards just say Israel has the obligation to defend itself against the Palestinians? Yeah, he's gonna reach out to the middle east. Like it or not, it is their country, not the Palestinians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #29 October 6, 2004 I'm giving an honest non-partisan opinion as I did on the Presidential Debate. Cheney absolutely dominated this debate. Edwards came across to me as silly at times. Cheney can be kinda stiff...well very stiff, but man can he fit a lot of info into 2 minutes or 90 seconds. BTW, did Cheney ever get his extra 15 seconds that was owed him? To save you the time of looking up my synopsis on the Presidential debate, I said that I agreed with Dick Morris' statement that John Kerry won on style and George Bush won on substance. I will add that I was quite disappointed in GWB's performance last Thursday. However, I do remember '84 when Mondale took Reagan to the cleaners in the first debate, but Reagan wiped the floors with Mondale in the subsequent debate. I truly am trying to be objective on the debates even though my mind is already made up as to who I am voting for. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #30 October 6, 2004 I didn't think the moderator did that great of a job... she got confused about who's turn it was more than once... I thought Edwards did OK, but at times looked like a little yappy dog, nipping at Cheney's heels... gave the impression that he was excitable when compared to Cheney's steadiness... I doubt it will change anyones mind, and if anything, stifled any momentum Kerry had gained for last week's debate... JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbarry 0 #31 October 6, 2004 QuoteDid Edwards just say Israel has the obligation to defend itself against the Palestinians? Yeah, he's gonna reach out to the middle east. Uh oh. Edwards better check himself before he wrecks himself... -clip- "In Nov 2003, in a speech to a Palestinian advocacy group, Sen. Kerry openly came out in opposition to the Israeli-built wall, dubbing it a “barrier to peace,” and criticizing Israeli leadership for “derailing” the peace process." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
complexity 0 #32 October 6, 2004 not surprising, but Cheney definitely won on substance and debate. I was never worried about him getting his information and facts right as he is known for his amazing attention to detail and mastery of politics and policy. But he did better than i thought -- although he may have been a bit too technical for some viewers who don't follow politics. Edwards did okay -- but he kept changing the subject to what he wanted to say -- plus he was too flighty on some of his responses. And it annoyed me when he kept giggling when he said Kerry's name when he wasn't supposed to. Cheney seemed much more experienced and knowledgeable -- and boy did he have some good digs... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcandalysse 0 #33 October 6, 2004 QuoteWell... He's probably been running the White House anyways... lol yeah and talked Dubya into going to war in Iraq, but I ain't laughing at that! Here's something I just read on msnbc.com: QuoteCheney said: “You’ve got one of the worst attendance records in the United States Senate. Now, in my capacity as vice president, I am the president of the Senate, the presiding officer. I’m up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they’re in session. The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight.” Cheney was incorrect in saying he had never met Edwards before Tuesday night. Edwards’ campaign provided a transcript of a prayer breakfast in February 2001 at which Cheney began his remarks by acknowledging Edwards. The two men also met when Edwards escorted Republican Sen. Elizabeth Dole to her swearing-in by Cheney in January 2003, a meeting the Edwards campaign emphasized by distributing news articles about the ceremony. Democratic spokesmen also contended that when Cheney does visit the Senate, he meets only with Republicans and would not run into Edwards or any other Democrats. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #34 October 6, 2004 Quote<--Watching Law & Order. Far more interesting... Yea ok, Ill be really sure to pay a lot of attention to your political commentary in the future . . . . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #35 October 6, 2004 QuoteCorrect. Edwards is a good speaker (former trial lawyer) but yes, Cheney is a wizard. He can't be shaken. Actually I was looking forward to this debate, former CEO versus a former trial lawyer. Both have to be excellent speakers. You're right though, Cheney had ice in his veins tonight, nothing phased him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #36 October 6, 2004 >Said that until this evening he had never even met Edwards his > attendance was so poor.. D'oh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #37 October 6, 2004 Quote>Said that until this evening he had never even met Edwards his > attendance was so poor.. D'oh! Cheney is praying hard, and Edwards is wondering if he can get away with the last bagel on the table. Who met who? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #38 October 6, 2004 Cheney did the typical debate thing, where one answers whatever they want to answer, rather than the question asked. Asked about jobs (related to Cleveland unemployment and poverty), Cheney talked about education. The moderator was poor. Poor control of the questions, poor selection of questions. Really, this isn't Miss America. Why ask a question like "what qualifies you to be VP?" Translated, "how about giving us two minutes of gratuitous self promotion." Said she was going to ask about education, but did not. Said she was going to ask about health care, but did not. BTW, all the polls I've seen (CNN, Yahoo, NBC, CBS), except the ABC pundit exit poll of mostly Republicans, show Edwards won by a large margin. If you had to pick one, I would give only a slight nod to Edwards, based on content. Cheney did better on presentation, especially considering the bad position he had to defend. Cheney's closing statement was good; Edwards' was maybe a nice anecdote, but not a closing statement for a debate. Why was the debate done seated? Because Cheney cannot stand up for a substantial period. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #39 October 6, 2004 Cheney killed Edwards. Cheney said Uh a few to many times for me. Edwards was a very good speaker. But on the topices....Cheney killed Edwards. I'm glad someone finally brought up how Edwards made his money by taking Dr's. to court, but claims that lawsuits are a problem in the medical world....Well jackass YOU are PART of the problem. Cheney had real stances on the issues.... Edwards just spouted "We have a plan" I LOVED how Cheney called Edwards on the carpet for Kerry's "Plan" to create a coalition by calling current members "Coerced". Also the fact that France will not send troops pretty much blows that plan away. Edwards response? "Well, give us a try"."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #40 October 6, 2004 Caught it on BBC News 24 last night. I was very impressed with Cheney, he answered the questions and stuck to the point. Edwards seemed to spend his time attacking the Bush Administration and answering the question he'd wanted asked rather than the one that WAS asked. This bodes ill for a Kerry / Edwards administration. It seems like they'll cover any mistakes they make or any awkward questions by either blaming the previous administration or by being evasive. While there's times when Bush can't answer a question, At least he comes across as far more honest. Kerry & Edwards come across as very slick liars. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #41 October 6, 2004 I agree with you. I think it was brilliant from Cheney when Edwards started going off about his gay daughter..."I want to thank you for your kind words"...... On the other hand, he should have also called BS on Edwards statement about the rich get the tax breaks, while the guy fighting on the front lines pays that. As you know all servicemen and women on hazardous areas are tax exempt."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #42 October 6, 2004 QuoteCheney did the typical debate thing, where one answers whatever they want to answer, rather than the question asked. Are you sure about that? I haven't seen the debate yet, but have spoken with a few people who said that Edwards did exactly that. I've been told at one point that the moderator had to remind Senator Edwards that he failed to answer the question posed to him. Anyhow, I'm hoping to find the debate online somewhere and will post my thoughts after I've watched it. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #43 October 6, 2004 Quote>Said that until this evening he had never even met Edwards his > attendance was so poor.. D'oh! However, didn't the wives decide after the debate that it was once in 2001? That sounds like a stretch. I don't think that one event and his slick talking today will make up for his record. Still a very effective statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #44 October 6, 2004 QuoteCheney did the typical debate thing, where one answers whatever they want to answer, rather than the question asked. Asked about jobs (related to Cleveland unemployment and poverty), Cheney talked about education. They both reverted back to previously asked questions. That's pretty standard. Both did it. Not just Cheney. Your point? QuoteWhy was the debate done seated? Because Cheney cannot stand up for a substantial period. How do you figure that? Really, I understand your frustration. It was a clear victory for Cheney. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #45 October 6, 2004 QuoteDid Edwards just say Israel has the obligation to defend itself against the Palestinians? Yeah, he's gonna reach out to the middle east. What do you not agree with in Edwards statement concerning Israel? Israel does have an obligation to defend itself against terrorists. As does the US. Do you reach out to the middle east by continually allowing terrorists to kill your people and turning a blind eye? That doesn't sound too responsible to me. A government's 1st responsibility is to the protection of its people and land. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #46 October 6, 2004 QuoteWhy was the debate done seated? It was a negotiated point... Bush/Cheney wanted it becasue it is a format that favors Cheney, and keeps Edwards tied down (he likes to move around allot when he speaks)... nothing to do with Cheny's ability to stand for a period of time. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dagny 0 #47 October 6, 2004 If you haven't already found it, c-span is hosting video of the VP debates and you can also read/print the transcript from it. CSPAN VP debateTake me, I am the drug; take me, I am hallucinogenic. -Salvador Dali Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #48 October 6, 2004 Quote>Said that until this evening he had never even met Edwards his > attendance was so poor.. D'oh! Perhaps Cheney was so unimpressed with Edwards that he simply forgot he had met him. I can understand that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #49 October 6, 2004 Quotenot surprising, but Cheney definitely won on substance and debate. I was never worried about him getting his information and facts right as he is known for his amazing attention to detail and mastery of politics and policy. But he did better than i thought -- although he may have been a bit too technical for some viewers who don't follow politics. . Pity Cheney referred to "factcheck.com" when the site is actually "factcheck.org", and said it exonerated him, when in fact it doesn't. Of course that may just have been "bad intel", common excuse for the Bush campaign..... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #50 October 6, 2004 QuotePity Cheney referred to "factcheck.com" when the site is actually "factcheck.org", and said it exonerated him, when in fact it doesn't. Of course that may just have been "bad intel", common excuse for the Bush campaign.. I may not agree with you professor but I wouldn't necessarily discount what you say based on a misspelled or misplaced word. Sounds like you're losing the attack on substance and are now going after the small stuff. Again, I understand. It's very frustrating when the person you're pulling for gets his ass handed to him, you watch the whole thing, and can't do anything about it. Don't worry. It's only 4 more years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
