Dinosaurs

[jakee 1,564]

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Its validity rests primarily in its usefulness as a moral guide,

But not a very good guide if you have to read it and decide which bits are good and which bits make you sick at the thought.

I'm afraid I didn't get whether or not you believe the bible was divinely inspired. If not then surely there are far better, less outdated moral guides to be found.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[nacmacfeegle 0]

"Dinosaurs existed. God/Jesus/Holy Ghost/Santa Clause/Easter Bunny/Tooth Fairy did not."

I'd say that Jesus probably existed, as far as I am aware, Sinter Klaas actually walked the earth around Turkey during the 4th century, and where I come from the tooth fairy brings her own pliers.

Science evolves with our understanding of our surroundings, not so long ago the greatest scientific minds on the planet thought the earth was flat and the sun and the planets revolved around us.

Is it so difficult to grasp that people's beliefs and faith can also evolve to explain the complexities of our place and purpose in the universe?

That said, the lady in question, who doubts the existence of dinosaurs, is probably nuts.

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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

[kallend 2,112]

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"Dinosaurs existed. God/Jesus/Holy Ghost/Santa Clause/Easter Bunny/Tooth Fairy did not."

I'd say that Jesus probably existed, as far as I am aware, Sinter Klaas actually walked the earth around Turkey during the 4th century, and where I come from the tooth fairy brings her own pliers.

Science evolves with our understanding of our surroundings, not so long ago the greatest scientific minds on the planet thought the earth was flat and the sun and the planets revolved around us.

I dispute that science existed at the time the greatest philosophers thought the Earth was flat. The invention of science as we now understand the word was by the likes of Galileo, Hooke and Newton.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[nacmacfeegle 0]

I'll take the point on the detail, wrt to science vs philosophy, but the principle still applies. Our scientific understanding is evolutionary. What would the Wright brothers have made of your avatar for example? What do you think Marconi or Bell would have thought of our current means of conversation...

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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

[rehmwa 2]

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"Dinosaurs existed. God/Jesus/Holy Ghost/Santa Clause/Easter Bunny/Tooth Fairy did not."

Santa Clause for example - be good for a year and be rewarded for that behavior.

What's wrong with that lesson when teaching very young minds about morality?

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[santa 0]

"What's wrong with that lesson when teaching very young minds about morality?"

Absolutely nothing, and for the record, I wish it could be christmas every day.

Ho Ho Ho

[EricTheRed 0]

However, in reference to the commandment “You shall not “kill”, the Hebrew meaning of the word translated as "kill" actually means "murder" or "to slay someone in a violent manner unjustly."

smart ass on/
So if you take a life with good reason, and do it in a non-violent way (eg: narcotic overdose) it's OK?
/smart ass off

illegible usually

[gemini 0]

Unfortunately, I believe the difference was that you could [should?] kill your enemies in war, but killing anyone outside of war was defined as murder.

Blue skies,

Jim

[pajarito 0]

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smart ass on/
So if you take a life with good reason, and do it in a non-violent way (eg: narcotic overdose) it's OK?
/smart ass off

I'm assuming that you mean euthanasia? If so, there are other reasons why that is wrong. Sticking to the context of what we were talking about, however, do you then believe that, in every instance, the taking of another life is murder?

[pajarito 0]

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Unfortunately, I believe the difference was that you could [should?] kill your enemies in war, but killing anyone outside of war was defined as murder.

Where did you get that all this was limited to the context of war?

[EricTheRed 0]

Me?

No.

I think that it is often justifiable to remove someone from existance. I also do not believe that the Bible is the "word of God".

I think it is the compilation of what many individuals humans (mostly ignorant humans) thought that God's words were.

Most of them really did think they were doing god's will. Some of them were probably just going along to gain power in a rough world.

Same as today in many respects, it's just that we ought to be a bit more discerning now.

illegible usually

[JohnRich 4]

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However, in reference to the commandment “You shall not “kill”, the Hebrew meaning of the word translated as "kill" actually means "murder" or "to slay someone in a violent manner unjustly."

smart ass on/
So if you take a life with good reason, and do it in a non-violent way (eg: narcotic overdose) it's OK?
/smart ass off

Killing in lawful self-defense from attack, is not murder. That's why there is a distinction. Not all killing is bad. Some killing is justifiable, and supported by the law.

And by the Bible. For example:

Luke:11:21-22
"When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils."

Luke:22:36
"He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

Luke:22:52
"Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves?"

Exodus:22:2
"If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him."

Proverbs 25:26
"A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring."

Psalm 143:12
"And of thy mercy cut off mine enemies, and destroy all them that afflict my soul: for I am thy servant."

Psalm 144:1
"Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight."

Psalm 144:6
"Cast forth lightning, and scatter them: shoot out thine arrows, and destroy them."

Psalm 149:6
"Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two edged sword in their hand."

I Samuel 25:13
"And David said unto his men, Gird ye on every man his sword. And they girded on every man his sword: and David also girded on his sword..."

Numbers 31:3
"And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war..."

Ephesians 6:11
"Put on the full armour of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes".

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Jesus was in favor of armed self-defense.

[christelsabine 1]

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However, in reference to the commandment “You shall not “kill”, the Hebrew meaning of the word translated as "kill" actually means "murder" or "to slay someone in a violent manner unjustly."

smart ass on/
So if you take a life with good reason, and do it in a non-violent way (eg: narcotic overdose) it's OK?
/smart ass off

Killing in lawful self-defense from attack, is not murder. That's why there is a distinction. Not all killing is bad. Some killing is justifiable, and supported by the law.

And by the Bible. For example:

Luke:11:21-22
"When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils."

Luke:22:36
"He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

Luke:22:52
"Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves?"

Exodus:22:2
"If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him."

Proverbs 25:26
"A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring."

Psalm 143:12
"And of thy mercy cut off mine enemies, and destroy all them that afflict my soul: for I am thy servant."

Psalm 144:1
"Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight."

Psalm 144:6
"Cast forth lightning, and scatter them: shoot out thine arrows, and destroy them."

Psalm 149:6
"Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two edged sword in their hand."

I Samuel 25:13
"And David said unto his men, Gird ye on every man his sword. And they girded on every man his sword: and David also girded on his sword..."

Numbers 31:3
"And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war..."

Ephesians 6:11
"Put on the full armour of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes".

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Jesus was in favor of armed self-defense

[gemini 0]

I didn't really mean to limit the context to only war only that there seemed to be a distinction in the language between what constituted to kill and to murder. As someone above pointed out, it included self-defense and protection of one's property as well.

Blue skies,

Jim

[rehmwa 2]

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"Beans, Beans, the magical fruit"

Amen

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[gemini 0]

Meep, MeeP, MEep!

Blue skies,

Jim

[pajarito 0]

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I didn't really mean to limit the context to only war only that there seemed to be a distinction in the language between what constituted to kill and to murder. As someone above pointed out, it included self-defense and protection of one's property as well.

I agree.

[peregrinerose 0]

How did this thread turn into murder from dinosaurs exactly? Talk about some serious hijacking here!

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[jakee 1,564]

I think John Rich was trying to turn it into a weapon thread for a sec there. Although I'm not sure if Dinosaurs could use guns or swords, did any of them have opposable thumbs?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[unformed 0]

actually raptors were known to use branches to beat other dinosuars senseless.

I think I read somewhere that they were on the forefront of making sharpened branches when they were wiped out.

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[Sheenster303 0]

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How did this thread turn into murder from dinosaurs exactly? Talk about some serious hijacking here!

Yeah I didn't think this thread would end up this way. I should have known better than to post in SC! Damn me!

I'm so funny I crack my head open!

P.M.S. #102

[kallend 2,112]

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actually raptors were known to use branches to beat other dinosuars senseless.

I think I read somewhere that they were on the forefront of making sharpened branches when they were wiped out.

I expect you saw it Here

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[pajarito 0]

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How did this thread turn into murder from dinosaurs exactly? Talk about some serious hijacking here!

I'll bet I could work abortion or gay marriage in here somewhere!

[wmw999 2,550]

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I'll bet I could work abortion or gay marriage in here somewhere!

Yeah, but if you do it, it'll be polite and well-thought-out (though misguided ).

It's Friday -- much better if it turns into a knuckle-dragging rumble
Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[pajarito 0]

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I'll bet I could work abortion or gay marriage in here somewhere!

Yeah, but if you do it, it'll be polite and well-thought-out (though misguided ).

It's Friday -- much better if it turns into a knuckle-dragging rumble
Wendy W.

Ditto...Wendy.
A knock down drag out is much more entertaining, though. Kind of like a hockey game. We mostly only go to see someone get knocked over the head with a stick.