WhirledWeb 0 #76 October 5, 2004 QuoteQuoteSame-Sex Marriage Amendment Fails in House Of course it did. Can anyone give a logical reason as to why it should be legal? I'm a tax payer, just like you. Why can't I have the same rights as you? I would think that the church would want to encourage us fags from being all stereotypically promiscuous and hedonistic. If I wanted to get any more serious than having a boyfriend, I’m left to some "commitment ceremony" or whatever. Let me be miserably married like the rest of you poor schleps. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Don't be afraid of death, be afraid of the unlived life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #77 October 5, 2004 QuoteSure it is. They intended for slavery to be legal, at least in some states, and for women not to have the right to vote. What's unclear about that? I am certainly not an expert on the US constitution, but could you point me to the article(s) that states so. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #78 October 5, 2004 This wording in the original text of article I clearly acknowledges slavery as a legal institution: Quote...which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons... It's the beginning of a section known as the "3/5 compromise" which is rather famous in US history. This text, known as Amendment XIII, also clearly shows that slavery, as an institution, was accepted by the original (unamended) document. If it had not been, no such amendment would have been necessary: QuoteSection 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #79 October 5, 2004 QuoteIf it had not been, no such amendment would have been necessary In that same line of thoughts, should someone try to amend the constitution in order to define marriage as the union of a man and a woman, we should assume that such an amendment is "necessary" because the founding fathers considered such union as constitutional? In which case, states banning such a union would be unconstitutional. Am I right? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #80 October 5, 2004 QuoteA homosexual human race will lose. And a heterosexual human race that multiplies like bunnies will most likely lose too. I don't think running out of humans will be one of our major concerns anytime soon. Marriage (legal marriage, not religious marriage) should be a basic right afforded to any consenting adults who wish to enter into such a contract. A gay marriage should affect your life no more than your jumping from El Capitan (or any other illegal object) affects anyone else's life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #81 October 5, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteSame-Sex Marriage Amendment Fails in House Of course it did. Can anyone give a logical reason as to why it should be legal? Why can't I have the same rights as you? That's easy. It cause you're different and do not deserve the same rights as the 'normal' people do . Same argument was used in the 50s with the civil rights movement and same argument was used in the early 1900's with womens suffrage. What these poor fools dont realize is that we are all human beings. The simple idea of equality escapes most of these individuals. Another notion that is hard for them to comprehend is this quote: "a democracy is not judged by how it treats the majority, but how it defends the rights of the minority." Of course then they will say that it's the law and thus illegal, but how just is a law that deprives rights to a certain group of individuals who are different from the rest. You also have to realize that marriage is such a sacred and noble insitution that allowing a same sex union will soil and tarnish thousands of young influential minds. God only knows what same sex unions will do to the fabric of society. I mean Adam and Steve getting married in San Francisco will just confuse the hell outof a little Timmy living in North Carolina. Soon Timmy will want to marry his pet dog. It will happen. What we need are people like Britney Spears, or Kobe Bryant as examples of what perfect marriages are like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #82 October 5, 2004 Yeah, but isn't homosexuality contagious? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #83 October 5, 2004 QuoteI'm a tax payer, just like you. Why can't I have the same rights as you? You know the answer to that. Why is it you think gay marriage is not allowed? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #84 October 5, 2004 QuoteWhy is it you think gay marriage is not allowed? It's not? Hum... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #85 October 5, 2004 QuoteAm I right? I don't know. Are you? You're not going to get much satisfaction arguing this issue with me. I tend to think that the government has no business being involved in the institution of marriage.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #86 October 5, 2004 QuoteYou're not going to get much satisfaction arguing this issue with me I am certainly not trying to argue this issue to death. I think the beauty of the US concstitution is that is was specific enough, yet vague enough to let future generations make the appropriate decisions on their ownI agree with you on the level of involvement of the government when it comes to such personal issues though. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #87 October 5, 2004 QuoteI agree with you on the level of involvement of the government when it comes to such personal issues though. So does that mean you should be allowed to marry your sister? What about your mother? How about your dog? Where do you draw the line? I mean, afterall, you feel the government should not be involved with personal issues such as marriage. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #88 October 5, 2004 I want to marry the inflatable party sheep. She's so ba-a-a-a-ad she's good There are steps in between marrying a person of the opposite gender (race/religious differences optional depending on year and country) and marrying a chair. Legal rights and responsibilities (which would include those which go along with marriage) can go to someone who can hold legal rights -- that should include adults, and emancipated minors. I don't believe inflatable party sheep can sign a contract legally yet. But I'm working on it ... Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #89 October 5, 2004 QuoteAnd a heterosexual human race that multiplies like bunnies will most likely lose too. I don't think running out of humans will be one of our major concerns anytime soon. (Not directed at you Shotgun) Our major concern is having too many humans, were just a "Virus with shoes, too many of us! We need to quit running around patting ourselves on the back thinking we're so fuckin' neat for just a second" (Bill Hicks) Can someone please just take a step back and look at the big picture, please? ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhirledWeb 0 #90 October 5, 2004 QuoteYou know the answer to that. No, I really don't. I know I can't change your mind about such an emotional issue in these forums. Although I probably shouldn't be, I'm honestly just kind of surprised at some of the stances people have on this topic... especially the 'gays are a result of abuse' position. I'm a early 30s, church-going, hockey loving, military veteran, business owner with a chocolate lab. I've never, ever been abused... no significant traumas except the usual puberty issues (compounded with a crush on boy in english class... but the absolute terror of having people find out). To think that a loving committed relationship with somebody would stir such negative emotion in people confuses the heck out of me. However, I totally appreciate this forum's ability to speak openly and honestly - I would like this all a whole lot less if we all were just being fake with each other. -Mark ......... Never seduce a straight man... unless he begs. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Don't be afraid of death, be afraid of the unlived life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #91 October 5, 2004 QuoteCan someone please just take a step back and look at the big picture, please? We already did...hence the reason for the current laws. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #92 October 5, 2004 Gay marriage is just morally wrong. Period. There are hundreds of other reasons...with that one being the over-shadowing one. It's the same reason you can't marry your brother, sister, mother and father. It's morally incorrect. You may disagree with that but then again there's people that will disagree with 1st degree murder being against the law. Everyone has an extreme opinion about something. Raising a child in a gay household is emotionally and psychologically disturbing and damaging to him/her. Being gay isn't natural. I remember getting sent to the principle's office in the 1st grade for lifting up the dress of a female classmate. Can't remember ever getting in trouble for trying to see what was under John and Frank's pants. Men being attracted to females and vice versa is natural. Period. No arguments will convince me nor any other sane poster otherwise. In my opinion...and this is not directed to you nor any gay poster in particuliar...being gay is a sick and perverse lifestyle that is morally wrong in every aspect of the word. If you want to be gay then fine...that's your business. Whatever makes you happy. However don't expect the same rights of a male/female relationship let alone want to raise a child. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #93 October 5, 2004 QuoteSo does that mean you should be allowed to marry your sister? What about your mother? How about your dog? Where do you draw the line? I mean, afterall, you feel the government should not be involved with personal issues such as marriage. I like the analogy between homosexuals and dogs. Interesting. Who knows, maybe Tunas will be the next ones to be allowed to get married... You tell me where to draw the line. You guys are for big government control when it comes to personal issues. No more mixed marriages? How about cross-states marriages? As far as I am concerned, whom I marry is my and my spouse's business only. You want to peek into my relationship? Ask, and I'll send you photos "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #94 October 5, 2004 Funny....and here I thought it was wrong to marry your own close relatives because of the problems it would cause with the gene pool.... Who cares what two consenting non-related adults want to do with their lives?Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #95 October 5, 2004 Quote...being gay is a sick and perverse lifestyle that is morally wrong in every aspect of the word. Hum... I smell denial here... First step of acceptance though. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #96 October 5, 2004 QuoteBeing gay isn't natural. I remember getting sent to the principle's office in the 1st grade for lifting up the dress of a female classmate. Can't remember ever getting in trouble for trying to see what was under John and Frank's pants. So... because you're not gay, being gay is not natural??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #97 October 5, 2004 Quotetrying to see what was under John and Frank's pants. He may not be, but since he did the above, he may be in denial. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #98 October 5, 2004 QuoteYou want to peek into my relationship? Ask, and I'll send you photos Ok... Can I have some photos??? In fact, I want pictures of Wendy and the inflatable party sheep too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #99 October 5, 2004 QuoteIn fact, I want pictures of Wendy and the inflatable party sheep too Uh... We're one and the same... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #100 October 5, 2004 QuoteFunny....and here I thought it was wrong to marry your own close relatives because of the problems it would cause with the gene pool.... So would it be ok to marry your brother/sister if one of you were not capable of reproducing? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
