tunaplanet 0 #26 October 2, 2004 QuoteWell aren't you the charmer. More like the realist. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #27 October 2, 2004 You must be refering to this kind of realist no doubt.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #28 October 2, 2004 Quote Homosexuals do not reproduce, they recruit. Wow. Badenhop, I'm not at all sure I can agree with you. I just joined a new office. In this office, easily 66% - or a bit more - of my colleagues are gay. Some are men, some are women. How about I let you know in, oh say 6 months, if I've been "recruited?" I was just saying how fun it is to work with people who are comfortable enough in the environment to be who they are, and not try to hide/supress themselves in such a drastic manner as is usually required in a work environment. I was outside having a cigarette with my boss, and we were both oogling the same guy. Now, that was waaaaaaaaay fun. As for the topic at hand, I have yet to figure out how two guy people getting married will affect me, either now or later. I mean, really, and not rhetorically. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #29 October 2, 2004 QuoteOK, so what's your recruitor's name? Keith, with them cute sunglasses and all you are an obvious recruiter. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
badenhop 0 #30 October 2, 2004 >>"It's been present in the human race for thousands of years"<< So that makes it right? An age old perversion is still a perversion. >>"When you've had an open dialogue with someone who is gay"<< Have done that, predominantly, all were victims of child abuse. (recruited) >>"weakness for being recruited?"<< Children are the victims of perverted adults. Powerfull predator, weak prey. >>"OK, so what's your recruiter's name?"<< To quote narcimund: >>"This tired old argument"<< is the one homosexuals always fall back on, that if I have an argument against homosexuality, I must be one or be afraid of becoming one. That is just nonsense. Listen please. If you are headed down the wrong path, when is it best to change direction? Should you stubbornly say "this is the way I'm going, it's the way I've always been going, and it's the way I'll continue to go"? If you leave Florida for Pennsylvania, and find yourself on a road through Texas, shouldn't you change direction?================================== I've got all I need, Jesus and gravity. Dolly Parton http://www.AveryBadenhop.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #31 October 2, 2004 funny... none of my gay friends were abused as children... and yes, we're close enough that they'd have told me. However, I've got five or six straight friends who were abused as kids. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
badenhop 0 #32 October 2, 2004 Which part is funny?================================== I've got all I need, Jesus and gravity. Dolly Parton http://www.AveryBadenhop.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #33 October 2, 2004 QuoteHow about I let you know in, oh say 6 months, if I've been "recruited?" If I'm not mistaken MIchele, there are a few pictures somewhere of me trying to recruit you in Perris a few years ago Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #34 October 2, 2004 QuoteIf you are headed down the wrong path, when is it best to change direction? Should you stubbornly say "this is the way I'm going, it's the way I've always been going, and it's the way I'll continue to go"? If you leave Florida for Pennsylvania, and find yourself on a road through Texas, shouldn't you change direction? This speaks volumes. One needs to accept for themselves weather the path they are on is right for them, Not what is right for others. My path is right for me. It may not be right for you. And that's OK. I, however would never choose nor force the path for someone else.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #35 October 2, 2004 Listen please. If you are headed down the wrong path, when is it best to change direction? Should you stubbornly say "this is the way I'm going, it's the way I've always been going, and it's the way I'll continue to go"? If you leave Florida for Pennsylvania, and find yourself on a road through Texas, shouldn't you change direction? Quote Why do you feel that you, or anyone else should have the right to place your morality on others?? you dont like it, fine, dont participate. But if two people of the same gender wish to make a legal partnership - fine, it doesnt change a thing in my life or yours... Just to point out one fact...... In the animal kingdom same sex pairings occur..... and animals are far more innocent than any human. When you've had an open dialogue with someone who is gay"<< Have done that, predominantly, all were victims of child abuse. (recruited) somehow with the way you phrase your arguments, I doubt that you have ever spoken politely with a homosexual........ RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #36 October 2, 2004 QuoteListen please. If you are headed down the wrong path, when is it best to change direction? Should you stubbornly say "this is the way I'm going, it's the way I've always been going, and it's the way I'll continue to go"? If you leave Florida for Pennsylvania, and find yourself on a road through Texas, shouldn't you change direction? Ah. More of the same. Sorry folks, there's nothing to see here. The show's over. Everybody go back to your homes. We'll take it from here. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #37 October 2, 2004 QuoteThis tired old argument always tempts me to ask, do you feel like YOU could be recruited? That was my first thought exactly. People who believe so strongly that gays can "recruit" probably feel tempted in the first place because they themselves may be gay or bisexual and are in denial. They usually get married, have kids, brag about women and use every opportunity to talk about how horrible homosexuality is in order to validate their own pseudo-hetero selves. Remember the neighbors Dad in "American Beauty.." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #38 October 2, 2004 QuotePeople who believe so strongly that gays can "recruit" probably feel tempted in the first place That's possible. On the other hand, maybe Mr. Badenhop doesn't feel any temptation. He's one of the lucky ones born SUPER-heterosexual and thus beyond our spider-fingered grasp. Drat! That's why I asked him where he gets his intuition. If it's not his own weakness, where does he gather the impression other heterosexuals are weak? Notice he doesn't answer the question. They never do. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #39 October 2, 2004 QuoteWhich part is funny? I think she believes that her straight friends being abused as children was the funny part. Either that or the fact she believes her gay friends would tell her deep, dark secrets about their childhood past without blinking. We all know that she has no possible way of knowing if her freinds would tell her that or not. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #40 October 2, 2004 QuoteWe all know that she has no possible way of knowing if her freinds would tell her that or not. But we all know you and Badenhop know the deep dark secrets of all gay people. By the way, I'm gay. I was not sexually abused as a child. Ever. I knew I was gay long before I met an openly gay person. Nobody around me had any interest in me being gay. Quite the contrary. And of the literally hundreds of gay people I've met in my life, the very large percentage have said the same thing. You don't think gay people talk about their childhoods and when their earliest homosexual thoughts and feelings arose? Yet one more way you're completely wrong. It's as common among gay people as discussing whether you trained AFF or static line among skydivers. Go figure. You are simply WRONG about the facts. Imagine that. Vicious, violent opinions with a totally imaginary basis. How stereotypical. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
badenhop 0 #41 October 2, 2004 Yes I did answer the question. And I was not vicious or violent. You think you have the right to be homosexual, yet want to deny me the right to have a moral objection. Huh, a narrow-minded pervert, go figure. Oh, and >>"it's ok with the sheep, so it's ok for people"<< I guess if you have the IQ and moral fiber of a sheep.================================== I've got all I need, Jesus and gravity. Dolly Parton http://www.AveryBadenhop.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #42 October 2, 2004 QuoteYes I did answer the question. No, you did not address the question. *sigh* it's like wrestling eels. I'll put it to you again in nice easy words. Here we go: Why is it you think heterosexuals are so easy to recruit? Would you be easy to recruit? Edited to add: Oh wait! You sort of DID answer the question, although it was pretty well hidden in the midst of other stuff. You claimed we recruit children which are weak (while presumably you as an adult are strong.) So here's my next question: Read my discussion directly above about MY experience with gay peoples' childhood traumas then answer this slightly more complex question (and please don't hide your answer amongst other things): Question: Since I've known hundres of gay people (and talked with them as an equal) and found only a small, normal number of victims of sexual abuse, and since nearly ALL of them have told me they came to be gay before meeting any gay people or having any sexual experiences, how does your claim stand up? Possible Answers: A) My experience with gay people isn't as scientific and unbiased as yours. B) I am lying as part of a grand global conspiracy to hide our nefarious child-recruitment plans C) Your predetermined belief biased your small number of probably-adversarial discussions with gay people leading you to the conclusion you expected. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #43 October 2, 2004 Quoteyet want to deny me the right to have a moral objection. No, you have the right to your moral objections all day long. However, I believe you're incredibly silly to base your beliefs on lies and factual errors. But if it makes you happy, have at it. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #44 October 2, 2004 Keith, my gorgeous darling friend who hugs really really well... QuoteIf I'm not mistaken Michele, there are a few pictures somewhere of me trying to recruit you in Perris a few years ago No, you got it all wrong. *I* was trying to convert YOU back to the breeder's team. It didn't work, though, did it? Sigh... Look, we have a small problem. You're a man. I'm a woman. I like men. You like men. You can't "recruit" me because I already like men. Geesh....do I hafta 'splain it all to you again??????????? In all seriousness, I still haven't heard from anyone how a gay marrying a gay would affect me, a straight, single woman. I'm really wanting to hear that perspective. Instead, I hear from Badenhop things like "pervert" and "recruit." Neither of those terms accurately speak to how things would affect me... Tossing terms like those around so blithely is insulting to me, and I can't imagine any honest use of those words in this particular conversation. The words we use (especially when on a purely written communication medium) tell the reader far more than perhaps we realize. To choose those words from the millions of words available to convey your opinion seems to me that there was a deliberate attempt to either insult or hurt someone. And that sort of behavior is really beneath you. Just my opinion, of course. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwmike 0 #45 October 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteWhy do you need permission from the "State"? (you don't) I don't consider a marriage license "permission" from the state. I consider it protection from the state. Most of the so-called benefits of legal marriage aren't benefits in the usual sense. Instead, they take the form of powers the government cedes to the spouse. Marriage is one of the very few (perhaps only) ways to get the government off your back in some small ways. Within marriage, inheritance is untaxed. Testimony in court cannot be compelled. When incapacitated, the spouse speaks for the other instead of the government doing so. I don't seek, need, or desire anyone's permission to live and love as I see fit. But I DO desire the small but significant liberty from oppression that comes in a marriage contract. I trust my husband far more than I trust the government in these matters. The romantic part of the marriage? The commitment, support, love, and family teamness of it? That has nothing whatsoever to do with the government. Nothing at all. We provide all we need either way. I'm most impressed with your thoughts. I've never understood why so many people (and our government) are so emotionally bent over the issue of people falling in love and wanting to spend their lives together. I suppose what it comes down to is you are going outside accepted tribal rituals and this scares people. At the very least, they will scorn you ...or try to kill you. If you find someone you love, trust and respect, and choose to spend your lives together, you have my best wishes and support. Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #46 October 3, 2004 QuoteWhen the general public is ready to accept polygamy, they will be ready to accept same-sex marriage. Don't hold your breath. edit - also, don't forget what administration passed the defense of marriage act. That act has since been seen to not be effective. That is all. I will add something after all, something I have mentioned before in similar threads, but doesn't seem to get any response: When the general public is ready to accept father-daughter, mother-daughter, father-son, brother-sister etc. marriages, then the general public will be ready to accept same sex marriage. How 'bout it, does the prospect of this bother you? Why should it, you wouldn't be hurt?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #47 October 3, 2004 just say no to Fish You are engaged in a lot of wishful thinking while sliding down the slope of your own creation____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #48 October 3, 2004 Quotejust say no to Fish You are engaged in a lot of wishful thinking while sliding down the slope of your own creation When same-sex marriage is argued to be OK because it doesn't involve others, then I think my point is completely valid. The other 'marriage' arrangements would be the same. You might as well say, "all analogies are fallacies". Fallacy tutorials are vastly overrated.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #49 October 3, 2004 QuoteYou might as well say, "all analogies are fallacies". the majority of analogies are QuoteFallacy tutorials are vastly overrated. if more people took the time to study and learn what is and is not a valid argument (aka fallacy), the level of meaningful, intelligent discussion on this board would greatly increase____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #50 October 3, 2004 QuoteWhich part is funny? your entire pseudo-argument was funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
