pajarito 0 #101 October 1, 2004 Good assessment. I agree for the most part. I would have been a bit harder on Bush, though. I don't think he got his points expressed like he should have. He disappointed me last night. Unfortunately, I think this will narrow the gap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #102 October 1, 2004 I thought Kerry did pretty well... there were some that thought the knock out puch would come last night, and it did not. In that way Kerry won... I think both guys solidified their base, but don't think it will move too many undecideds (not based on this debate alone anyway). I was disappointed with Bush's delivery, he looked tierd and preterbed through much of the later part of the debate... he would have done better if it was called at halftime. He also missed the opportunity to illustrate Kerry's inconsistant record, not just on Iraq, but on military and intelligence issues in general... instead opting for the tag lines. On the whole, if they had gone in with equal expectations it would have been a draw... In that Kerry did not lose, he won... what he can do to capitalize on that remains to be seen. J PS... I would expect the Kerry camp to be putting out video of Bush's facial expressions today... JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InflightSupv 0 #103 October 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteOne more comment and I'm done. I would almost give a kidney to have a Repub say that Kerry did a good job tonight or for a Dem to say the Dubya did a good job tonight. No one in the media can be nonpartisan, of that I am sure. Better hand over a kidney then, I'm a repub. I do think that both had a few good points. I think that both repeated themselves ad nauseam. I hated Bush's leaning, but hated Kerry's constant scribbling too. $10 says they were just doodles From a technical stance, Kerry is the better public speaker. From a content stance, they are both full of hot air and nothing concrete. My biggest beef with Kerry is that he kept saying that he would have made the 'right' decisions when Bush did not. That is extremely easy to say looking at retrospective information, that whole 20/20 hindsight thing and not actually walking in those shoes of decision at the time. I hated Bush's name dropping, especially when he discussed the wife of the soldier killed in Iraq with the rather phony remorse for his death part. If I sent over 1000 men to die, even if for good reason (not a commentary on whether this is a good reason or not, but Bush feels it is a good cause), it would rip me to shreds. I'd live the rest of my life with the guilt of knowing I tore a family apart. I admit after an hour of the same shit being spewed by both sides for every question, I fell asleep. Jen Sorry, I said "almost" when referring to my kidney. Also, sorry but I was not real clear, I knew you guys would be able to break free of the chains of partisanship, but I was referring to the so called media experts. Should have clarified a little better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #104 October 1, 2004 Quotetalking about not going into Iraq Baghdad not Iraq... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #105 October 1, 2004 Anyone notice how when Kerry was asked how he would handle our National Security issues he did everything BUT answer the question.. All he did was spout out inaccurate facts about Bush.. Kerry is a fucking Moron... Bush whipped him on this one... Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,584 #106 October 1, 2004 About Ann Richards: QuoteShe's a drunk, smokin, Harley Chick... You say that like it's a bad thing Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,584 #107 October 1, 2004 I probably saw more negatives in Kerry than I saw positives in Bush. The note-scribbling was to be expected -- how can you address points specifically if you're just remembering them? Kerry pulled out Vietnam directly too often, and spent more time talking about what Bush did wrong sometimes. On the other hand, I was surprised at how many times Bush just started jumping in to get his additional time to answer Kerry -- he practically waved his hand saying "mememe" to get Jim Lehrer to give him the additional rebuttal time. I don't think Kerry asked for rebuttal time at all, which I thought spoke well; he spoke his points, and let them stand on their own merits. Bush really needs more public speaking coaching; slowing down, or finding a couple of catch phrases, would be better than uuuuhhhhhhhhh... Really. Content? Well, obviously since I like Kerry better than Bush (although I'd definitely vote for George Bush if he were to run against Tom Delay for congress!), I thought Kerry did better; he had more new meat, and seemed to answer more specific points rather than simply reciting what he'd already thought up. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #108 October 1, 2004 QuoteAbout Ann Richards: QuoteShe's a drunk, smokin, Harley Chick... You say that like it's a bad thing Wendy W. It's a bad thing for her. Not all are bad, though. Here's a picture of a close friend of mine and former SF teammate. Yea baby!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #109 October 1, 2004 QuoteOn the other hand, I was surprised at how many times Bush just started jumping in to get his additional time to answer Kerry -- Yeah...but then he'd get the focus and almost forget what he was going to say (or so it seemed). He'd call for a quick rebuttal, the camera would switch to him, and he'd start staring down at his podium (crickets would start chirping). You're right. He needs to grab some cajones and speak with some force and tenacity. WTF??? Very disappointing to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,584 #110 October 1, 2004 And here's my little bike... Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #111 October 1, 2004 QuoteAnd here's my little bike... Wendy W. Kewl... I like... Added: Yeah...but you're not on it in some slinky looking outfit. Chicken! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #112 October 1, 2004 Ohh oohh...here's mine http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=29230; Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #113 October 1, 2004 I don't have time to read the whole thread AND post, so I don't know if it's been covered - forgive me if it has. I thought it almost funny, that when asked what he thought the greatest threat to us/ our future security was, Kerry didn't hesitate to say "Nuclear proliferation" very clearly a few times, and it seemed somehow that he was psychically challenging Bush to say that five times fast. Then Bush had to seriously pause before he tried to say it. In Bush's (or his handler's) defense, he did bust out with the $2 words a few times - "vociferously" is one that sticks out - and he actually did it right. The love-fest towards the end was sweet. I did appreciate them being so civil toward one another. The debate did nothing to help me figure out my position though, so I'm kinda annoyed about that. That is all. edit: No it's not. I've read the thread, and you guys have covered pretty much everything I thought. I'll just say that I didn't even notice the leaning, but the 'listening' facial expressions were very telling. Did they know they were being broadcast while listening? Bush got very impatient, exasperated and at times, insulted. Kerry just kept chuckling and scoffing to himself - not good images of either one. I did find myself reacting very defensively toward Kerry, though, and I'm honestly impressed with how well Bush did. I was expecting much less from him, and much more from Kerry. Surprisingly balanced, I thought. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #114 October 1, 2004 QuoteDid they know they were being broadcast while listening? The rules that were aggreed to said no cut away shots while the other was talking... just about everyone used split screens, which technically did not break the rule, just the intent of the rule. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,108 #115 October 1, 2004 I was impressed by the civility of both candidates, for the most part. It would be nice if that could be carried over into the campaigns. (It won't be, of course.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #116 October 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteHe certainly failed to bring many into his coalition. Have a link to this poll? The poll is nations voting with their $$$ The "poll" is the 90% that the US is paying for this war, vs the 10% (or less) the US paid for Bush(41)'s war. If the US pays 90%, then everyone else combined is paying 10%. That's not much of a coalition, is it?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #117 October 1, 2004 Quotebugger you beat me to it! ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #118 October 1, 2004 QuoteIn Bush's (or his handler's) defense, he did bust out with the $2 words a few times - "vociferously" is one that sticks out - and he actually did it right. He talked about "fighting vociferously". A very strange adverb to use to describe fighting. Maybe his handlers coached him to use the word, so he just stuck it in somewhere at random.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #119 October 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteIn Bush's (or his handler's) defense, he did bust out with the $2 words a few times - "vociferously" is one that sticks out - and he actually did it right. He talked about "fighting vociferously". A very strange adverb to use to describe fighting. Maybe his handlers coached him to use the word, so he just stuck it in somewhere at random. Or maybe he really does mean that they're loud about it. Ehh? Ehhh? C'monnn! C'monnnn! (at least he didn't mispronounce it) you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,584 #120 October 1, 2004 Yeah, there were certainly times when my parents fought, um, vociferously Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #121 October 1, 2004 QuoteOr maybe he really does mean that they're loud about it. Ehh? Ehhh? C'monnn! C'monnnn! (at least he didn't mispronounce it) Actually, he kinda said it like...... vosifrously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #122 October 1, 2004 QuoteThe poll is nations voting with their $$$ So the answer is, "no" you don't have any official evidence or proof...it's just a liberal opinion. Got it, thanks. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #123 October 1, 2004 Quote Bush should have mentioned that Kerry was For a Iraq coalition, but against one for dealing with Korea....I wanted to slap him when he didn't take that chance. IMHO, Bush's most costly omission was not reminding people that Kerry voted against Desert Storm. That's an issue at odds with many independents and not a few Democrats. Wayne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #124 October 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe poll is nations voting with their $$$ So the answer is, "no" you don't have any official evidence or proof...it's just a liberal opinion. Got it, thanks. How is money spent in support/ not spent in opposition anything other than evidence of how other nations feel about joining us?? Your "logic" seems a little sometimes. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #125 October 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe poll is nations voting with their $$$ So the answer is, "no" you don't have any official evidence or proof...it's just a liberal opinion. Got it, thanks. What a stupid comment. There is no broad coalition, who needs a poll to tell them that. Who are you going to poll, Texans? There IS no broad coalition. That is a fact.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
