InflightSupv 0 #26 October 1, 2004 One more comment and I'm done. I would almost give a kidney to have a Repub say that Kerry did a good job tonight or for a Dem to say the Dubya did a good job tonight. No one in the media can be nonpartisan, of that I am sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #27 October 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteGWB looks like a deer in the headlights. Notice how Kerry keeps looking down and scribbling on his notepad as though he were actually taking notes? It's something they teach you to do in debate. Take bullet point notes to have a much stronger rebutal._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #28 October 1, 2004 I feel Bush led and won this debate....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #29 October 1, 2004 I think Kerry did extremely well in the debate this evening. I was very impressed. He carried himself damn near perfectly. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #30 October 1, 2004 Well Bush got it right... but he's also avoided the word in his continuing statement... seems some practice paid off.... overall I'd say Bush played to emotional appeal, particularly in his end summary, while Kerry is used his time to better express his position to the public.. Kerry also went to the Bill Clinton school of hand gesture...wither that is good or bad.... Good move on the part of Bush to have his whole family up on stage at the end, it certainly looked better than Kerry and his wife standing alone and the family appeal is something Bush wants to emphasize, but his daughters were obviously very strictly coached..."keep your hands together and in front of you..." QuoteYou said: Quoteuh oh... he's going to have to say nuclear a few times now..... But a few minutes before that, you said: Quotepay attention to the actual statement..I know it might be hard, but are you actually watching the debate??? Making fun of the vehicle, and not the message? I'll bet you're a democrat. you lost that bet. I was only pointing out that this would be an opportunity for the much expected gaffs. It honestly wouldnt surprise me if Kerry intentionally planned his answer there to say nuclear as many times as possible to provoke the word from Bush...flustering your opponent, making him stumble and appear foolish is simply good debate tactics. Quoteleaning on your podium is a big no no... it projects weakness of position and a lack of confidence. QuoteInteresting opinion. To each is his own. do you have any formal debate or public speaking experience? Any entry level speech course will tell you that is bad posture and projects poor position. In public speaking, HOW you deliver your message is at least (or more depending on audience) as important as the message itself. You can have the best writers in the country (and they do) but if you cant deliver it very well you will lose your audience. It is a performance after all, and one of the reasons why Reagan was so successful in his debates against Carter, he was simply an outstanding public speaker. If someone like James Earl Jones had run in his prime he'd have been a hard man to beat... in the debates at least....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #31 October 1, 2004 QuoteI feel Bush led and won this debate....... I disagree. I think if you had to pick a "winner" Kerry would be your man this evening. Kerry is an excellent debator. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #32 October 1, 2004 I will be voting for Kerry but I think Bush closed better than Kerry did. I think over all Kerry presented him self more coherently (sp?). I also thought it was interesting how when the first light came on Bush seemed to focus and get on message. Most of the time before that he seemed to wander around. I also give Bush points for skipping the question on if the US was at greater risk if Kerry was elected. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,127 #33 October 1, 2004 "That's why they're fighting so vociferously", GWB, tonight's debate. How do you fight "vociferously"?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #34 October 1, 2004 QuoteI think Kerry did extremely well in the debate this evening. I was very impressed. He carried himself damn near perfectly. I thought Bush did well, too, better than I expected; though I have to say the whole "You can't send mexed missiges" thing was a scream, no matter who would have said it..."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #35 October 1, 2004 QuoteHOW you deliver your message is at least (or more depending on audience) as important as the message itself. Nah. The message itself is all that matters. Only clueless drones care about how something is delivered. When my UPS man brings my package to my door all I care about is what is inside the package...not the way he was dressed or presented himself. Time to focus on what's important...not the shiny bells and whistles. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #36 October 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteI feel Bush led and won this debate....... I disagree. I think if you had to pick a "winner" Kerry would be your man this evening. Kerry is an excellent debator. I agree. Sadly, I believe Kerry won the debate tonight. Bush really sucks as a debator. He waffles when speaking under pressure. It was very frustrating to me. I felt like I almost needed to finish his sentences for him. I agreed with what he was trying to say but he just isn't very effective at getting it across in that type of setting. I hope he gets his shit together before next week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #37 October 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteI feel Bush led and won this debate....... I disagree. I think if you had to pick a "winner" Kerry would be your man this evening. Kerry is an excellent debator. Are you feeling OK?"I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #38 October 1, 2004 The Dallas Cowboys Win. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it. blue skies jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #39 October 1, 2004 Quote Whether he leans or not is the least of my worries. It's clear liberals have other priorities. My Air Force NCO leadership school taught me to not lean on the podium, hell if at all possible get out from behind it. Clearly not an option for these two but you don't lean on it. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #40 October 1, 2004 Quote Nah. The message itself is all that matters. Only clueless drones care about how something is delivered. To the thinking few that is correct but the "clueless drones" vote too and there are more of them. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #41 October 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteHOW you deliver your message is at least (or more depending on audience) as important as the message itself. Nah. The message itself is all that matters. Only clueless drones care about how something is delivered. When my UPS man brings my package to my door all I care about is what is inside the package...not the way he was dressed or presented himself. Time to focus on what's important...not the shiny bells and whistles. your forgetting who's actually voting, unfortunately our leaders are rarely elected on the basis of who has the best plan or vision, but instead by who attracted the most people to the voting booth.... there are far more 'clueless drones' than their are people who pay attention to the issues or understand how our political system really works.... Politicians are salesmen, selling themselves... how that package looks is very important to getting elected (or reelected)____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #42 October 1, 2004 QuoteTo the thinking few that is correct but the "clueless drones" vote too and there are more of them. How true...how true. I think this was damaging to Bush. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InflightSupv 0 #43 October 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteHOW you deliver your message is at least (or more depending on audience) as important as the message itself. Nah. The message itself is all that matters. Only clueless drones care about how something is delivered. When my UPS man brings my package to my door all I care about is what is inside the package...not the way he was dressed or presented himself. Time to focus on what's important...not the shiny bells and whistles. I agree, Kerry actually impressed me tonight. Will I vote for him, no freaking way. Did I think that Bush could have done better? Yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #44 October 1, 2004 QuoteMy Air Force NCO leadership school ROFLMAO. I stopped reading right there Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #45 October 1, 2004 so are the channels running the JCM concert? or did they break away? I left the window up in the background, and suddenly the music started...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #46 October 1, 2004 QuoteHow do you fight "vociferously"? You get a noticably mean tone in your voice, much like Johnny Cash singing about a boy named Sue. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #47 October 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteit projects weakness of position and a lack of confidence. Ah, but sporting newly manicured nails projects confidence, and manliness. both candidates were carefully groomed, its unlikely they even dressed themselves... however, how they carry themselves is completely up to them...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #48 October 1, 2004 I'll give anyone $10,000 to reach over and bitch-slap Ann Richards. Is there a more bitter, annoying, fugly human on the planet? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #49 October 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteMy Air Force NCO leadership school ROFLMAO. I stopped reading right there Watch it squid or I'll send in the A-7's with Vulcan guns firing full tilt. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #50 October 1, 2004 QuoteI'll give anyone $10,000 to reach over and bitch-slap Ann Richards. Is there a more bitter, annoying, fugly human on the planet? Dude...that's a dangerous bet. Somebody, somewhere will lean over and slap that bitch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
