Debate Comments

[headoverheels 333]

Is that a uvula piercing she has?

[pajarito 0]

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Is that a uvula piercing she has?

Really...
Looks like something's in there.

[TheAnvil 0]

I only saw the last bit of the debate. I kept thinking 'Kerry is an idiot, Kerry is an idiot, Kerry is an idiot' over and over again as I heard him speak. Bush, though not eloquent, didn't seem to be as much of a moron. Monsieur sKerry seemed much more polished than President Bush.



'Just because we don't have the Chinese at the table doesn't mean we can't get them to agree to what we agree to at the table.' <--- paraphrasing Monsieur sKerry.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[headoverheels 333]

Here is the Snoop Dog Shizzolated version of the transcript:

http://www.asksnoop.com/shizzolator.php?url=http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/debate.transcript.1/index.html

[ahegeman 0]

The KGB was under Treblinka Square? WTF was Kerry talking about? Treblinka was a Nazi concentration camp. I don't know the name of wherever the KGB is supposed to be, but it sure as hell isn't Treblinka.

Edit: Just looked it up on Google. Lubyanka Square. Understandable mistake, I guess, but I'll remember this for the next time I hear a Democrat whining about nukular.

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[Muenkel 0]

IMO, I agree with Dick Morris' assesment. "Bush won on substance, while Kerry won on style".

I think Bush had the opportunity to close the door on this election tonight, but fell short. I see the polls moving maybe one point for now.

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Chris

[skycop 0]

You can sure see where certain people stand by the nature of their comments. Many people would rather hurl insults than listen to the facts as they are presented.
I am a Bush supporter however, kudos to John Kerry for an excellent debate. Sen. Kerry is an excellent debater, that was very evident. This actually set the stage for the remaining debates to be very interesting.
The tone of this debate was spirited but civil. I thought both were strong in their stance but respectful in tone.
I disagree with Sen. Kerry on about every issue, but I would say he came out a slim winner.
The election will ultimately come down to issues, not the "cult of personality" portrayed by the media.
IMHO
Blue Skies

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[vmsfreaky1 0]

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I'll give anyone $10,000 to reach over and bitch-slap Ann Richards. Is there a more bitter, annoying, fugly human on the planet?

Anne Coulter.

[Zenister 0]

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The election will ultimately come down to issues, not the "cult of personality" portrayed by the media.

i think you are giving the mass of voters far more credit than they deserve... if it were really about issues we'd have different candidates in the first place...

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[vmsfreaky1 0]

bugger you beat me to it!

[Kramer 0]

Alright, not that anyone's going to read this post, but here's my two cents:

Kerry's entire campaign is simply second-guessing Bush's decisions (most of which he agreed with at the time Bush made them). Bush's entire platform was saying the same shit about "staying the course" in Iraq over and over. *Yawn*

Too bad there's not a real candidate this year. I think both of them are jokes. And to you Democrats out there...I hope to God you don't look to John Kerry as your "model Democrat". You could have done a lot better with your pick.

I'll be writing myself in the ballot.

The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!!

[GravityGirl 0]

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HOW you deliver your message is at least (or more depending on audience) as important as the message itself.

Nah. The message itself is all that matters. Only clueless drones care about how something is delivered.

When my UPS man brings my package to my door all I care about is what is inside the package...not the way he was dressed or presented himself.

Time to focus on what's important...not the shiny bells and whistles.

Sure you do. I bet if he was dressed in a black ski mask, you would shoot him.

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Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear!

[headoverheels 333]

Bush was certainly not liking it, when Kerry quoted Bush's fathers book, talking about not going into Iraq since there was no way to win the peace.

Interesting comment Bush made, when Kerry was complimenting him on his family members, the difficulties of a campaign, etc. Regarding his own daughters, Bush quipped something about keeping them on a leash. True, maybe funny, but totally inappropriate.

[Nightingale 0]

sigh... my cable tv is out, and the only radio I own is in my car stereo. I shall be seeking transcripts, if they don't replay the debate later on.

[TypicalFish 0]

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I'll give anyone $10,000 to reach over and bitch-slap Ann Richards. Is there a more bitter, annoying, fugly human on the planet?

Anne Coulter.

Mmmmmmmmmmm; Anne Coulter...

Yum. Read her book. LOVE a girl with an attitude...

"I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

[quade 4]

So . . . who won the debate?

PollingReport.com

Party lines are no surprise, but look at that Indy stat!

Myself . . . I only heard it in the car driving home from the DZ. What I heard was GWB staying on message a little too much. I could swear I heard him give the same answer at least half a dozen times to different questions. Kerry also repeated his themes, but at least had the skill to say it a bit differently over the course of what I heard.

I'll check out the DVD after Nationals is over.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[skydyvr 0]

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Mmmmmmmmmmm; Anne Coulter...

If I strap some bombs to my midsection and take out a bunch of bus riders, Allah has promised me a permanent 3-way with Anne Coulter and Laura Ingram.

Should I sign on the dotted line?

. . =(_8^(1)

[skycop 0]

No, I couldn't disagree more.
Most voters will pick through the smoke both sides put out.
There are "sheep" on both sides but, I guess I have more confidence in the voting public.
I've done my homework, and many people I know have, on both sides of the fence.
Guess we'll see.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[storm1977 0]

OK ... here is my take after watching the entire debate.
Now, remember, I am a republican, and I will be voting for bush no matter how the debate turned out.

In the beginning of the debate I felt GWB had the upper hand. I felt he hit home a few messages on the Flip-flopping... he had to!
Kerry was obviously nervous through the first 15-20 mins, his hand were shaking quite a bit.

There were no real ZINGER however, but each canidate did have one or two GOOD "one-liners"
Kerry: SH did not attack us OBL did.
Bush: How do you expect to build a coalition? Ask them
to join a Grand Diversion.

Some of the facts Kerry spewed out were not true, and that was bothersome...

Some things that Kerry said such as OBL would be caught by now... also that OBL is in Afganistan.
How does he know that? If he knows where he is, maybe he should tell someone.

In Afganistan we had 9000+ troops. Once the war in Iraq began, the number of troops in Afganistan increased ... JFK would lead you to believe otherwise.

However, Kerry did much better than I thought he would. I believe Bush could have "Put him away" but he didn't hit home the points he needed to.
That is Bush's biggest problem IMO. He is not a good speaker...

The question really is: Will the people believe Mr. Kerry's word. He has changed it so many times on Iraq, and now that he has a position will it change?

Again, I am voting Bush that was never going to change, however, I think JFK may get a little push from this, but nothing sustaining.

Chris

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[Ron 10]

OK my thoughts:

Kerry came across very well. It is the first time he has said something that I think was well thought out, and actually said it well.

His comment about being mistaken about how he TALKED about the war was good. His attack following it was good as well.

The Major flaw I saw from Kerry was him harping on "The Summit". He kept saying that we need other countries in there. OK, I can see that. However, you can't expect countries to commit troops to die for a cause you claim is a "Grand Diversion" and "The wrong war, wrong time, wrong place".

No leader in his right mind is gonna send his boys to die in a war that you claim is wrong or stupid.

So that right there makes "The Summit" a really stupid idea that will not work.

Also calling the countries already helping "the coalition of the coerced"..thats not likely to encourage others to join.

Another problem from Kerry was how he said he wanted Bush to develop a coalition to handle Iraq. But he criticized Bush for getting a coalition to handle Korea.

Kerry, are you for or against coalitions? You say we need them in one case to promote the unity of the world, then lambast Bush for doing it in Korea.

Kerry defending his 87 billon vote OK. But I still say he traded American troops safety for killing a tax cut.

Over all I feel a little better about Kerry. And he did come across well.

The Domestic debate should be fun to watch...I want to see his plan for what I see as socialistic medicine.

Bush was not as good as a speaker. Listening on NPR you could not see his face and the dead time he had on the radio was painful. However, when watching the debates he used facial expressions pretty well. But they were lost on the radio audience.

I feel Bush came across as very sincere.

I still believe that we have to be pro-active against Terror. However, Kerry said the same message (And while I don't believe him) and that let him gain ground on Bush in that area.

Bush should not have leaned against the podium...It makes a speaker look week. I thought Bush handled the questions well, but he didn't have the new message that Kerry brought. So Bush's answers were easy to guess.

Bush should have mentioned that Kerry was For a Iraq coalition, but against one for dealing with Korea....I wanted to slap him when he didn't take that chance.

Also Bush had some issue with his mike.

Issues from both sides.

Kerry mentioned the 100,000 trained troops. He said that it was more like 50000 and some numbers agree. However, in the last 5-6 days 40,000 of the trainees were fired for a number of reasons. So the number of troops was around 90,000 a few days ago. Bush should have mentioned that and not used the 100,000 number.

Kerry used the 230 Billion wasted in Iraq...Actual numbers are more in the 90 billion for Iraq right now. 115 Billion for the total war to include Afganistan.

Bush should have called him on that.

Over all, I think Kerry finaly found his voice and came across well.

Bush still "Toe'd the line". Which is a good thing, but I think the audience liked Kerry's sudden flash better.

Kerry will most likely get a bounce from this. However I still hope that content will win over flash.

Anyway my thoughts, take them or leave them.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Ron 10]

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I would have given anything to hear them talk substantially about things that are important to me:

1. Education
2. Social Security
3. Taxes
4. ANYTHING domestic

Piss poor debate on a whole - not just by the candidates but by Fox also.

Jen

Thats because this debate was on Iraq and the war on terror.

Those topics you want to hear are covered in the third debate.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Bodyflight.Net 0]

http://www.opendebates.org/news/pressreleases/zogbypoll.html
All I want to know, is where are the rest of the cadidates.. this rigged bi-partisan system will hopefully be taken down before the next election..It's obvious people want it... we just didn't make it this time around.
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Did you know that Kerry & Bush had the same debate coach???
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Kerry was eloquent & educated.
Bush is a good ol boy who OBVIOUSLY resented having to be there & explain himself.

Bush said there were 100K troops already trained in Iraq (to attest to his progress with returning control to Iraq).. but forgot to tell us that 40K are about to be fired for being incompetant! That is probably the biggest OMISSION/LIE I heard. And why are we setting up military bases near the oil... no wonder those people don't trust us.. one day they are going about the life they know.. the next day we take over. Same basic life, different tyrant, and now instead of hating one person, a sick demented man, they now hate an entire country. (added: obviously some people want the new system, hence the voter registrations, but still these voters are still a small few of an entire country)

Kerry is just idealistic and will of course come down a notch or two if in fact he does win the job.. but all in all, he seems like a better businessman than Bush. Bush acts like a parent to this country not a Commander in Cheif.. I don't need to be told who I can marry or what I can do with my body, that's not the job of the president, IMO and I will not vote for someone who thinks it's his business

Wage Peace
Vote Libertarian
Badnarik for President

[peregrinerose 0]

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One more comment and I'm done. I would almost give a kidney to have a Repub say that Kerry did a good job tonight or for a Dem to say the Dubya did a good job tonight. No one in the media can be nonpartisan, of that I am sure.

Better hand over a kidney then, I'm a repub. I do think that both had a few good points. I think that both repeated themselves ad nauseam. I hated Bush's leaning, but hated Kerry's constant scribbling too. $10 says they were just doodles
From a technical stance, Kerry is the better public speaker. From a content stance, they are both full of hot air and nothing concrete. My biggest beef with Kerry is that he kept saying that he would have made the 'right' decisions when Bush did not. That is extremely easy to say looking at retrospective information, that whole 20/20 hindsight thing and not actually walking in those shoes of decision at the time. I hated Bush's name dropping, especially when he discussed the wife of the soldier killed in Iraq with the rather phony remorse for his death part. If I sent over 1000 men to die, even if for good reason (not a commentary on whether this is a good reason or not, but Bush feels it is a good cause), it would rip me to shreds. I'd live the rest of my life with the guilt of knowing I tore a family apart.

I admit after an hour of the same shit being spewed by both sides for every question, I fell asleep.

Jen

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[peregrinerose 0]

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I agree. Sadly, I believe Kerry won the debate tonight. Bush really sucks as a debator. He waffles when speaking under pressure. It was very frustrating to me. I felt like I almost needed to finish his sentences for him. I agreed with what he was trying to say but he just isn't very effective at getting it across in that type of setting. I hope he gets his shit together before next week.

I agree. I wanted to cattle prod his ass into spitting out his words instead of hmmmmmmmmmmming all the time.

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[PhillyKev 0]

Haven't read any of the comments yet, but here's my thoughts on teh debate.

Both candidates impressed me more than I expected and I think they both did a good job for that format. It wasn't a no holds barred debate. I think that would have been more informative. But they both got their messages apart and they both came across as "presidential".

That being said, I think Kerry will get the most benefit from it. Not because he "won the debate". The format was such that there isn't a winner or loser. But Kerry had more to gain. Everyone knows Bush. They've seen him saying these same things for 4 years. We didn't see anything new from him. Although he did speak more eloquently and with less sound bites than I think I've seen from him before. Kerry, however, is the guy who many people haven't really been exposed to except from news clips and propaganda. He did a good job of stating what his core values and beliefs are. Of course those that hate him won't agree and will keep scraming about flip-flops. But for any undecided voters or those weakly leaning toward Bush, they got to see the true nature of Kerry, not the propaganda.

Tuna has been keeping us painfully up to date on the electoral polls. They've showed mostly steady numbers for Bush and fluctuation for Kerry. I think that will change to more support for Kerry and less fluctuation.

Bottom line is, Kerry has no where to go but up in a race that is already close. This debate was good for him and his campaign and will win him votes. But won't do much if anything to boost Bush.