rhino 0 #1 September 30, 2004 These fucking insurgents "terrorists" "Idiots" "dumb mother fuckers" SHOULD ALL DIE!!! Fucking morons... Opening Ceremony for a Sewer treatment plant for the Iraqi people and they pull this shit... The Iraqi people should be fed up with those dumb bastards soon... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6095119/ Iraqi citizens flee after three bombs exploded near a U.S. military convoy which was passing an opening ceremony for a sewage station, in Baghdad, Iraq, on Thursday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #2 September 30, 2004 I can't figure out where they got the idea that committing mass murder of school children will cause people to be sympathetic to their cause... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #3 September 30, 2004 >hese fucking insurgents "terrorists" "Idiots" "dumb mother fuckers" SHOULD ALL DIE!!! How about the fuckers who killed an innocent cabbie and his passenger in the West Bank - should they die too? From AFP: ---------------------------------------------------- JENIN, West Bank (AFP) - Two Palestinians were killed when Israeli troops targeting a militant from the radical Islamic Jihad movement fired on their taxi in the West Bank town of Jenin, medics said. Palestian security sources said the target, Ahmed Chalabi, had got out of the taxi just before the soldiers opened fire, killing the driver and his passenger. Medics said their bodies were riddled with bullets. ----------------------------------------------------- http://www.turkishpress.com/turkishpress/news.asp?ID=28933 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #4 September 30, 2004 They're all wrong. Different parts of the world have had increases in terrorism through the years (Brazil/Uruguay/Argentina/Chile in early 1970's, Lebanon for 1980's, Israel 1990's & up, Ireland 1970's, Germany 1970's). Some of the terrorists had sympathetic causes, some didn't. The governments overreacted, creating more terrorists in some cases (Brazil has generally prided itself on being a very laid-back place with little religious fervor -- not usually a breeding ground for terror). If it's small, you wait it out or stomp them out. If it's big, you begin to wonder if you're part of the problem. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ahegeman 0 #5 September 30, 2004 I submit that there is a difference between the collateral killing of a cabbie hauling a known terrorist around (and you can bet he knew who his passenger was) and the intentional slaughter of a large group of civilians including a bunch of children.--------------------------------------------------------------- There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'. --Dave Barry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #6 September 30, 2004 QuoteI submit that there is a difference between the collateral killing of a cabbie hauling a known terrorist around (and you can bet he knew who his passenger was) and the intentional slaughter of a large group of civilians including a bunch of children. Submit it all you want, but the liberals here are blind to the difference. That's why instead of condemning the acts of people who target kids, they jump in here and make apples 'n oranges comparisons about how the west does the same thing. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #7 September 30, 2004 >I submit that there is a difference between the collateral killing of a >cabbie hauling a known terrorist around (and you can bet he knew who his > passenger was) Right. Because all taxi drivers in NYC know who they give rides to. >and the intentional slaughter of a large group of civilians >including a bunch of children. It's different to you and I, because we do nothing but bicker on a website about it. But if it were your child killed, I would suspect you would hate those who did it no matter what their reason. It really doesn't matter if we think it's OK - what matters is what the Iraqis (the people we were going to 'liberate' - remember?) think. And they think we are killing a lot of their children. From Knight-Ridder: ------------------------------------------- U.S. attacks, not insurgents, blamed for most Iraqi deaths Iraqi government statistics show that many Iraqi civilians are dying as a result of U.S. military operations, about twice the number killed by insurgent attacks. Knight Ridder News Service BAGHDAD - Operations by U.S. and multinational forces and Iraqi police are killing twice as many Iraqis -- most of them civilians -- as attacks by insurgents, according to statistics compiled by the Iraqi Health Ministry and obtained exclusively by Knight Ridder. According to the ministry, the interim Iraqi government recorded 3,487 Iraqi deaths in 15 of the country's 18 provinces from April 5 -- when the ministry began compiling the data -- until Sept. 19. Of those, 328 were women and children. Another 13,720 Iraqis were injured, the ministry said. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/9755859.htm?1c Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #8 September 30, 2004 QuoteIt's different to you and I, because we do nothing but bicker on a website about it. But if it were your child killed, I would suspect you would hate those who did it no matter what their reason. You are absolutely right. I would absolutely abhor anyone who killed my children, or my nieces and nephew. I would hate them to the ends of the earth and beyond. HOWEVER. I would not go out and kill a classroom of children because of my abhorance. I would not set bombs off, I would not become a suicide bomber, I would not turn to terrorist action because my child was killed. I would not anihilate 35 children because mine was killed. A huge, inalienable difference. And before you go telling me I don't know how I would react, you're right...but I know how I would NOT react. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #9 September 30, 2004 QuoteI would not go out and kill a classroom of children because of my abhorance. I would not set bombs off, I would not become a suicide bomber, I would not turn to terrorist action because my child was killed. I would not anihilate 35 children because mine was killed. Neither do most Iraqis. I imagine you would, however, hate and despise whomever did that. Not be grateful for their help, willing to embrace their ideals, or trust them to stabilize your nation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #10 September 30, 2004 >I would not go out and kill a classroom of children because of my abhorance. Nor would I. Yet there seem to be a sizable minority on this website (the "glass fucking parking lot!" crowd) who seem to think that that is the answer - kill everyone in response to terrorism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #11 September 30, 2004 All because they have misguided ImamS telling them it is OK to do this stuff in "Allah's name"Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #12 September 30, 2004 Quotekill everyone in response to terrorism. Not what I said.... This time anyways.. "Now I sound like Kerry, lol" All the TERRORISTS must die... for the record,, I think the WORLD should replace the word terrorist with DICKHEADS or FARTKNOCKERS or something... Imagine.... The FARTKNOCKERS set off another bomb in Baghdad today... Or another dickhead blew himself up in a suicide bombing in the middle of the desert to show pride in his dickhead cause... Calling these fuckheads terrorists is building their ego's.. I vote for FARTKNOCKERS... Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #13 September 30, 2004 QuoteU.S. attacks, not insurgents, blamed for most Iraqi deaths Iraqi government statistics show that many Iraqi civilians are dying as a result of U.S. military operations, about twice the number killed by insurgent attacks. Knight Ridder News Service BAGHDAD - Operations by U.S. and multinational forces and Iraqi police are killing twice as many Iraqis -- most of them civilians -- as attacks by insurgents, according to statistics compiled by the Iraqi Health Ministry and obtained exclusively by Knight Ridder. According to the ministry, the interim Iraqi government recorded 3,487 Iraqi deaths in 15 of the country's 18 provinces from April 5 -- when the ministry began compiling the data -- until Sept. 19. Of those, 328 were women and children. Another 13,720 Iraqis were injured, the ministry said. Is it just me, or does this snippet state a claim without any qualified substantiation? Kinda like "People prefer light beer...blah, blah, blah...People consumed 4,000,000 gallons of beer in 2003. Of that, 1,800,000 gallons were consumed by women and children..." Where did the light beer claim come from? mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ahegeman 0 #14 September 30, 2004 Quote> Right. Because all taxi drivers in NYC know who they give rides to. Of course I can't say for sure. But it seems likely. Jenin has a population of less than 30K. NYC is over 7M. But that really wasn't my point. Quote It's different to you and I, because we do nothing but bicker on a website about it. But if it were your child killed, I would suspect you would hate those who did it no matter what their reason.It really doesn't matter if we think it's OK - what matters is what the Iraqis (the people we were going to 'liberate' - remember?) think. And they think we are killing a lot of their children. Man, you're all over the place here. This was a thread about how much it sucked that a bunch of kids got blown into little pieces on purpose. Your only response is that Isrealis do it sometimes to Palestinians who happen to be sitting next to a known terrorist. Then you defend that specious comparison by saying the we are also accidentally killing a bunch of Iraqis. So is your agument that unless we are perfect in only killing the actual terrorists who hides themselves and their hide-outs among crowds, kids, suburbs, and schools, then its OK for them to respond by putting car bombs in children's events?--------------------------------------------------------------- There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'. --Dave Barry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #15 September 30, 2004 If you read his statement before the quote, you'll see that he submitted this to demonstrate what the typical Iraqi perception is. It doesn't make a difference how the numbers are qualified. His point was that the Iraqis see us as the biggest threat to their children, not the terrorists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #16 October 1, 2004 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1145450/posts Interesting read... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ahegeman 0 #17 October 1, 2004 QuoteIf you read his statement before the quote, you'll see that he submitted this to demonstrate what the typical Iraqi perception is. It doesn't make a difference how the numbers are qualified. His point was that the Iraqis see us as the biggest threat to their children, not the terrorists. And of course a logical response is for the insurgents to go blow up a bunch of Iraqi children. That'll show us.--------------------------------------------------------------- There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'. --Dave Barry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #18 October 1, 2004 A lot has changed since May. Soon after that article is when we abandoned that area to Zarqawi's forces and declared it a "no-go" zone for our troops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #19 October 1, 2004 No one here is defending the terrorist actions. Bill was just illustrating that the Iraqis don't see much difference between what we do and they do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #20 October 1, 2004 QuoteHis point was that the Iraqis see us as the biggest threat to their children, not the terrorists. So why aren't they killing/blowing up/bombing American children instead of their own? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #21 October 1, 2004 QuoteYet there seem to be a sizable minority on this website (the "glass fucking parking lot!" crowd) who seem to think that that is the answer - kill everyone in response to terrorism. A sizable minority? I'll bet that there's maybe three people here who ever advocated that policy. I said it a while back, I think you and Kallend and a few others on the left side of the fence mention this more than anyone else. I'm certain that the group mentioned above has used it more in recent history than anyone else. Bill, do you think it's about time that we add the phrase "glass fucking parking lot" to Godwin's law? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #22 October 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteHis point was that the Iraqis see us as the biggest threat to their children, not the terrorists. So why aren't they killing/blowing up/bombing American children instead of their own? Ciels- Michele They who? I was talking about the Iraqis. You're talking about terrorists. There's a difference between the average Iraqi and the terrorists. The terrorists are blowing up Iraq children because that is the nature of terrorism. Make people afraid and angry. That fear and anger is directed at us, though, because the Iraqi children weren't being blown up before we got there. You and I know that the terrorists did it. But in the mindset of the victims, there's a direct correlation between our presence and their childrens' deaths. Doesn't matter how valid you or I think that correlation is for it to exist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #23 October 1, 2004 QuoteA sizable minority? I'm thinking that there's maybe three people here who ever advocated that policy. I said it a while back, I think you and Kallend and a few others on the left side of the fence mention this more than anyone else. I'm certain that the group mentioned above has used it more in recent history than anyone else. I think we ought to add the phrase "glass fucking parking lot" to Godwin's law. Know what? I agree... LOLOL! I think Bill uses it more than anyone else (not in the same context, of course, but still... ) Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #24 October 1, 2004 This thread originator has posted that many times too. I did the math for you the other week, look it up Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #25 October 1, 2004 QuoteThis thread originator has posted that many times too. Yes, he's one of the maybe three people I was referring to. QuoteI did the math for you the other week, look it up The study was incomplete. Please go back and count the occurances in the last 60 to 90 days and let me know who used it and in what context. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
