The debate charade

[billvon 3,131]

So I've seen lots of stories about the debates - what will be discussed and, more importantly, what won't be. Candidates will not be allowed to question each other. There are rules that cameras can't show the other guy in the background when the guy in the foreground is talking. It's not going to be a debate so much as dual press conferences.

And then this morning while walking into work I saw a local TV station interviewing people, asking them "what will you think of the candidates after the debate?" The AP (below) has already written a boilerplate article to cover the debate.

I remember when debates were pretty common, and people asked each other questions, and the answers meant something about what they believed, because they didn't have time to do a study on what answer would 'resonate' with the maximum number of voters. Now they are just another part of a candidate's spin, a way to hammer each other one more time before the elections. The words are pre-written; public reaction to them is scripted and reported on in advance. Why bother? Just do all that up front and forget the debates; what the candidates think is no longer allowable subject matter anyway.

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CORAL GABLES, Fla. Sept. 30, 2004 — After a deluge of campaign speeches and hostile television ads, President Bush and challenger John Kerry got their chance to face each other directly Thursday night before an audience of tens of millions of voters in a high-stakes debate about terrorism, the Iraq war and the bloody aftermath.

The 90-minute encounter was particularly crucial for Kerry, trailing slightly in the polls and struggling for momentum less than five weeks before the election. The Democratic candidate faced the challenge of presenting himself as a credible commander in chief after a torrent of Republican criticism that he was prone to changing his positions.

Bush was expected to confront questions about leading the nation into war on the still-unproven premise that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. He also has faced accusations that he lacked a strategy to deal with the violence and chaos that have left more than 1,000 Americans dead and that the Iraq war has diverted U.S. attention from al-Qaida and other terrorists.

With a record of four years in office to defend, Bush had a debate strategy of being optimistic about Iraq but acknowledging that times were tough. His stance is that Americans know he is a decisive leader even if they don't always agree with his decisions and that Kerry has taken conflicting positions on Iraq and can't be trusted to lead the nation.

Although Kerry voted to give Bush authority to invade Iraq, he says he would not have followed Bush's path to war a path that alienated allies and, the Democrat says, left Americans less secure. Kerry argues Bush is out of touch with reality, paints too rosy a picture about Iraq and lacks a strategy to end the crisis.

Kerry also says Bush has neglected other major problems like North Korea and Iran, two nations suspected of pursing nuclear weapons.

Kerry, in a taped interview on ABC's "Good Morning America" on Thursday, said, "George Bush is scaring America. He's talking terror every day, and people see terrible images of what's happening in the world, and they're real."

Bush spent the morning comforting hurricane victims on his fifth survey of Florida areas hit by storms. At the Martin County, Fla., Red Cross center, Bush thanked volunteers for showing "the true heart of America. We long to help somebody when they're hurting."

The debate's focus on Iraq was sharpened by bombings in Baghdad Thursday that killed three dozen children.

Ahead in the polls, Bush could afford to settle for a debate draw while Kerry needed something to break the status quo. Some Democrats saw the debates as the last chance for a Kerry breakout.

Thursday night's meeting at the University of Miami was the first of three Bush-Kerry debates over a two-week period. Neither side was underestimating its importance with a TV audience of 30 million to 40 million expected. Almost a third of people surveyed say the debates will be a deciding factor in how they vote.

The first debate drew the nation's attention to hurricane-battered Florida and its political importance. Florida swung the presidency to Bush in the disputed 2000 election and could determine whether he wins re-election.

The debates were staged under a rigid set of rules negotiated by the candidates' representatives to limit spontaneity and opportunities for back-and-forth exchanges.

[turtlespeed 226]

But it's not a TRUE debate. It is simply a press conference with two assholes trying to woo the country.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[kai2k1 0]

I agree with Turtle on this one.

A true debate to me would be to put both of them in a dark room with 2 spotlights on each other and let them duke it out on national TV for 2 hours. No moderators and have the FCC stay out of it.

That IMHO would be a true debate.

There's no truer sense of flying than sky diving," Scott Cowan

[PhillyKev 0]

Hell, we should just set up a private thread for them here that only the two of them can contribute to

[kai2k1 0]

RIGHT ON!!!!

Hell, lets start an email campaign to get em here lol!

There's no truer sense of flying than sky diving," Scott Cowan

[wmw999 2,600]

Billvon:

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It's not going to be a debate so much as dual press conferences.

Turtle:

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It is simply a press conference with two assholes trying to woo the country.

Woohoo -- Billvon and Turtle appear to be in violent agreement

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[PhillyKev 0]

Whoa...that's messed up. But it begs the question, is Turtle flip-flopping? First he disagred with Bill, now he agrees with him. I think that clearly qualifies based on standard criteria.