A victory for freedom....

[PhillyKev 0]

This is the kind of victory that our president should be touting. A victory that helps to insure freedom, liberty and lack of government oppression.

Problem is, it's the opposite of what the current president wants, so you'll never hear him portray it that way.

Part of the Patriot Act, a central plank of the Bush Administration's war on terror, was ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge on Wednesday.

[turtlespeed 226]

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This is the kind of victory that our president should be touting. A victory that helps to insure freedom, liberty and lack of government oppression.

Problem is, it's the opposite of what the current president wants, so you'll never hear him portray it that way.

Part of the Patriot Act, a central plank of the Bush Administration's war on terror, was ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge on Wednesday.

it IS going to make it harder to catch the fuckers, but I still agree with the decision.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Rebecca 0]

And I agree with YOU, Turtle!

you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk?

[turtlespeed 226]

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And I agree with YOU, Turtle!

Shite - That's twice now -

I gotta go lie down!

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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it IS going to make it harder to catch the fuckers, but I still agree with the decision.

Yup. But it is the American way of doing things. This is a step in the right direction of preserving what this country is all about. I think the ACLU might just get a donation from me again.

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[mardigrasbob 0]

U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero was appointed by Clinton an has a record of supporting the A.C.L.U. in cases involving al Queda.
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22404-2004May12.html

www.indolink.com/displayArticleS.php?id=081104101646

"....should not be redefined by a few activist judges."

GWB said it right!

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[wmw999 2,600]

OK, so you'll go down as being OK with that little "freedom for temporary security" thing?

Not me. We can't be made completely safe. The biggest things helping us to be safer are the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. But nothing will work against everything, particularly domestic terrorists like the Unabomber and Timothy McVeigh.

Just as home protection is unlikely to stop the really determined burglar, national protection is unlikely to stop the really determined terrorist.

I just wish we'd quit making ourselves one of the most attractive houses on the block by pissing people off.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[mardigrasbob 0]

I don't have any problem with the patriot act, other than the fact that I distrust all government. The name is kind of hoakie but it is needed; so that intelligence agencies have the same powers as local law enforcement or even you or me. Of course it can be abused, just like any other power given by the people to the government. That said; freedom is only achievable if: people feel safe to travel and assemble, parents believe that their children are safe away from home, and that their livelyhoods will not be lost due to chaos. When these terrorist bastards are all jailed, killed, or retired then we can ask our representatives in D.C. to remove some of these dampers on our rights to privacy.

www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

www.lifeandliberty.gov/



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[billvon 3,131]

>That said; freedom is only achievable if: people feel safe to travel
>and assemble, parents believe that their children are safe away from
> home, and that their livelyhoods will not be lost due to chaos.

You can never, ever guarantee that. You could not guarantee that back when the US was too weak to defend itself. You could not guarantee that during World War II, when we were attacked by enemies without warning. You could not guarantee that during the Cold War, when we were 15 minutes away from losing LA, NYC, DC, SF, Atlanta etc to a nuclear war. And you can't guarantee it today. Nothing has changed since the 1960's - other than we will now, worst case, lose one city instead of 15. Yet freedom has survived all those years. We have no reason to discard it now.

>When these terrorist bastards are all jailed, killed, or retired . . .

They have always been there. They will be there no matter what we do. They will exist in the future. There will always be evil in the world, and nothing we can do, ever, will eliminate that. Decide now if you want to live in freedom or fear.

[PhillyKev 0]

That's quite a leap you have going on there. Your first link has nothing to do with AQ. It has to do with protecting us from gov't intrusion.

Your second link gives no indication that they wouldn't have caught this guy if they got a court order for the surveilance first.

[PhillyKev 0]

Whoops...not so fast. Freedom and liberty are still being threatened by everyone's favorite usurper.

Ashcroft Says Likely to Appeal U.S. Patriot Act Ruling