Which Democrats Believe Kerry Will Win?

[tunaplanet 0]

This question is for all of the liberals.

Through your vast research and using your great wisdom, who do you think will win the election. I don't want to hear about how you hope he wins...I want to hear from those who honestly thinks he will win and why.

I seriously doubt any liberal will admit they think he will win. The liberals for the most part know better. They know who will be the president for the next 4 years.

Forty-two

[Muenkel 0]

I know this question was not directed at me since I am a Conservative, but I have a hunch Kerry is going to win.

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Chris

[tunaplanet 0]

Not looking for hunches. Looking for someone to stand up and state firmly they believe Kerry will win.

Are there any liberals out there who firmly believe Kerry will win? Anyone at all?

Forty-two

[Muenkel 0]

Is John Kerry a DZ.Commer?

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Chris

[ahegeman 0]

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I know this question was not directed at me since I am a Conservative, but I have a hunch Kerry is going to win.

Keep the faith. Bush may be a motherfucker, but he's going to beat Kerry like a Saturday morning hard-on.

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[Muenkel 0]

I certainly hope so.

I think the Sept. 30th debate will be a defining moment. It will focus on domestic issues. If Bush can hold his own, he's got it nailed because I don't believe Kerry can beat him on foreign affairs.

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Chris

[Keith 0]

I'm one liberal how believes Kerry will win. Bush has pissed off so many people. I personally know Republicans who are voting for Kerry, and two people who rushed their citizenship to vote for him. I'll be Very surprised and unhappy if Bush wins.

Keith

Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville

[quade 4]

I think it's too close to call.

The country is divided just about by the same amount it was in 2000, but the difference is that today both sides are more extreme and fanatical in their devotion.

I think -the- determining factor will be something silly, like the weather in the battleground states and which side in those states are more determined to actually get out and vote. The absolute shame, in my opinion is that the majority of the country -won't- determine who will win, but rather a few people in some states with fairly small populations.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[kelpdiver 2]

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I think -the- determining factor will be something silly, like the weather in the battleground states and which side in those states are more determined to actually get out and vote. The absolute shame, in my opinion is that the majority of the country -won't- determine who will win, but rather a few people in some states with fairly small populations.

It could happen that way, but I think it will be less dramatic. I'm calling a 5 pt win, 310-230, for the incumbent.

I'm not really sure what the point of Tuna's question is, though.

[tunaplanet 0]

So out of all the liberals on these forums who talk all this smack about how Bush is the second coming of Satan, his policies are horrid, terrible public speaker, not intelligent and the worst president ever....only one fucking person believes Kerry will win?!?!?!?!

This tells you many things. First it tells you that they aren't happy with Kerry. They don't like their own man despite what they say. They wish they had someone else.

The other thing it tells you is that liberals know they will lose in November. They are certain of it. They keep having their other liberal friends give them that pep talk but they know in the end Bush will be our leader for the next 4 years and Kerry will fizzle out like a bad fart.

Forty-two

[jimbarry 0]

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only one fucking person believes Kerry will win?!?!?!?!

Then can i jump in here to say that i'm one republican who thinks kerry will win?

Seriously! The thinking is that if Bush wins Bush2000 states, and Kerry wins Gore2000 states, and just flips one medium sized state (say NC) then Kerry wins!!

Ok, maybe not NC, cuz i'm hearing that it's leaning Bush. But then Gore lost Tennessee too (which if won would've made Florida moot, so, so much for Moore's claim of republican "rigging".)

Or just *one* swing state that went to Bush in 2000 and Kerry's our man.

I agree with quade that both sides may be more fanatical than in 2000, but seems to me this behavior is more pronounced on the left.

And I agree with keith that Bush has alienated a lot of more moderate republicans with his recent policies and proposals (immigration, environment). I'm in that column. Not so much to vote for Kerry tho...

Add it all up and it seems we'll be listening to "Lurch" and his state of the union speeches for the next few years.

[quade 4]

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...only one fucking person believes Kerry will win?!?!?!?!

Or . . . that most of the people are being realistic and believe it's too close to call.

If you think it's an absolute lock that GWB will win why don't you start offering up odds based your beliefs and then back them up with some cash? Since you're absolutely positive he's going to win why don't you give me something like 1000:1 odds? I'll put up 1 dollar and if Kerry wins you pay me 1000. How about that? If you don't have the balls to do that, then you must not believe he's going to win. Eh?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Muenkel 0]

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I think the Sept. 30th debate will be a defining moment. It will focus on domestic issues.

I must correct myself here. I just heard on the news that the 9/30 debate will be on Foreign Policy.

Unless the news reporter is wrong.

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Chris

[PhreeZone 20]

The topic of the first debate will be foreign policy and homeland security on Sept 30 at the University of Miami in Coral Gables, Fla.

The second, a town-hall style format, will be Oct. 8 at Washington University in St. Louis. Questions are submitted in advance for screening, but they do come from the audience. 75 "soft" Bush likely voters and 75 "soft" Kerry likely voters make up this audience. I found it interesting that this is the only debate in which the canidates are allowed to move around at all.

The final debate, which was to be on foreign policy, will now be about the economy. and will be held Oct. 13 at Arizona State University in Tempe.

One vice presidential debate between Vice President Dick Cheney and Democratic vice presidential nominee John Edwards takes place Oct. 5 at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland.

Yesterday is history
And tomorrow is a mystery

Parachutemanuals.com

[Muenkel 0]

Thanks for clarifying that for me Erik. When I claimed the first one was on domestic policy, it was because I heard that on the news also.

Take it easy buddy,

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Chris

[SpeedRacer 1]

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So out of all the liberals on these forums who talk all this smack about how Bush is the second coming of Satan, his policies are horrid, terrible public speaker, not intelligent and the worst president ever....only one fucking person believes Kerry will win?!?!?!?!

This tells you many things. First it tells you that they aren't happy with Kerry. They don't like their own man despite what they say. They wish they had someone else.

The other thing it tells you is that liberals know they will lose in November. They are certain of it.

It doesn't tell you any of those things. Whether or not you like your candidate has nothing to do with whether or not you think he will win. Anyone can clearly see that the polls have been showing that its a close race.

Just because someone might like their candidate a whole lot does not make them unable to perceive that many others do not.

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[tunaplanet 0]

So to recap...Keith is the only liberal on these forums who believes his man will win.

Simply amazing. Gotta love the overwhelming faith.

I can sit here and honestly say I believe without a doubt Bush will win. Hands down. No question in my mind. I'm up to speed and knowledgable enough in politics to know this is a gimme.

Don't believe me? Remember this thread and we'll bring it back out after the elections.

Forty-two

[quade 4]

Put your money where your mouth is.

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I can sit here and honestly say I believe without a doubt Bush will win. Hands down. No question in my mind. I'm up to speed and knowledgable enough in politics to know this is a gimme.

Gimme the odds you're giving. I'm pretty sure you don't have the balls to give me 1000:1 odds, so how about 100:1? I put up a dollar and if Kerry wins you give me 100. Do you have the balls for that Mr. Gimme?

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Don't believe me? Remember this thread and we'll bring it back out after the elections.

Oh don't worry, we'll remember right where it is.

So, what kind of odds you giving me. I got some loose change in my pocket and I wanna see -exactly- how much you think it's a "gimme".

Personally I don't think Jimmy the Greek would go higher than 1:1 on this election and as we all (ought to) know that's a pointless bet.

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,64180,00.html

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Zenister 0]

some more odds makers....

http://www.bullymag.com/9.15.04/odds091504.asp

http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2004/4/prweb117737.htm

unfortunately for anyone who really wants to lay down some cash... Vegas cant take your money...

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/QofDay.cfm?QID=144

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/25/quest.vegas/


6-5 (the general consensus although it has shifted a bit.. will be interesting to see the odds after the debates..) is nowhere near a 'gimme', particularly for an incumbent...

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[kelel01 1]

I see it as more of a lack of faith in THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. We don't have to have faith in our candidate . . . we'd have to have faith in all the sick weirdos out there who are gonna vote, which we don't.

Having faith in your candidate doesn't mean we can say he'll definitely win. And please, enlighten us as to how you KNOW that Bush will DEFINITELY win. You must know exactly how every person in every state of the country is gonna vote and the corresponding electoral college votes.

[wmw999 2,589]

Where did the rule come from that people have to answer your questions or read your threads? Do you really think that your thread is the defining thread of SC?

Dang.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 3,120]

>Keith is the only liberal on these forums who believes his man will win.

You asked which democrats, not which liberals. I'm a liberal but not a democrat.

But in any case - I think it would be around 50/50 without Nader, but Nader will siphon off enough votes for a Bush victory. Bush has a solid base of supporters who will never abandon him. From a recent CSPAN Washington Journal show:

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PETER SLEN, HOST: Kenner, Louisiana, good morning.

CALLER: Good morning. I’m going to vote for President Bush because, after all, you know, God made us there, you know, in His image, free from any black color and all. The only church that Kerry can go to is where they say the Black Mass, and that is in the Merriam-Webster Pocket Book dictionary, where it says that that is the devil worshippers. I would never vote for, you know, Senator Kerry.

And that isn’t the only reason. Also, in the Bible, God said … God … that, uh, also, like faggots, that he says, anybody that lays down with another man and has sex with his own sex, and any woman that lays down with another woman and has sex should be put to death and their blood upon them. It also says that about interracial marriages and everything. So that’s the reason why I’m voting for my president, Bush.

SLEN: What do you do in, uh …

CALLER: And that isn’t the only reason. They also have other reasons also. The other reason is political, because like the political terrorists, they’ve been out there for eight months, and they’ve been out on the road, and they’ve been talking about … they’ve talked against our president. They put him down in every way. And God knows that that is wrong. He’s out there doing God’s work. He’s taking care of all our children.

Like when Clinton was in, he made – he tried to make whores and faggots out of our little girls – whores out of our little girls. He put the pornography in the schools. And God’s gonna condemn him for that.

SLEN: What do you do in Kenner?

CALLER: And that’s the reason why … he even went to the hospital and everything.

SLEN: Caller, what do you do in Kenner, Louisiana?

CALLER: Pardon me?

SLEN: What do you do in Kenner? Do you have a job?

CALLER: I’m a housewife.

SLEN: A housewife? Where do you go to church?

CALLER: I go to different churches. I go to, sometimes, in New Orleans, I go to the Cathedral. And I believe in my God, and I know that God is here to protect everybody. And if Kerry comes in … God helped the whole world, because God loved … Kerry … oh, that’s another thing …

SLEN: Thanks, caller. I’m afraid – I’m afraid we’re out of time. I wish I could let you go on, but I’m afraid we’re out of time.
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CSPAN show from Sep 23, at the 1:56:43 point in the show.

[quade 4]

That's f'in' hysterical!

However, be careful bill, stupid people are all over, belong to all parties and will vote for all sorts of candidates, including fictional ones for just as demented ideals as the person you've quoted.

http://www.occultforums.com/archive/index.php/t-7424.html

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Muenkel 0]

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>Keith is the only liberal on these forums who believes his man will win.

You asked which democrats, not which liberals. I'm a liberal but not a democrat.

But in any case - I think it would be around 50/50 without Nader, but Nader will siphon off enough votes for a Bush victory. Bush has a solid base of supporters who will never abandon him. From a recent CSPAN Washington Journal show:

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PETER SLEN, HOST: Kenner, Louisiana, good morning.

CALLER: Good morning. I’m going to vote for President Bush because, after all, you know, God made us there, you know, in His image, free from any black color and all. The only church that Kerry can go to is where they say the Black Mass, and that is in the Merriam-Webster Pocket Book dictionary, where it says that that is the devil worshippers. I would never vote for, you know, Senator Kerry.

And that isn’t the only reason. Also, in the Bible, God said … God … that, uh, also, like faggots, that he says, anybody that lays down with another man and has sex with his own sex, and any woman that lays down with another woman and has sex should be put to death and their blood upon them. It also says that about interracial marriages and everything. So that’s the reason why I’m voting for my president, Bush.

SLEN: What do you do in, uh …

CALLER: And that isn’t the only reason. They also have other reasons also. The other reason is political, because like the political terrorists, they’ve been out there for eight months, and they’ve been out on the road, and they’ve been talking about … they’ve talked against our president. They put him down in every way. And God knows that that is wrong. He’s out there doing God’s work. He’s taking care of all our children.

Like when Clinton was in, he made – he tried to make whores and faggots out of our little girls – whores out of our little girls. He put the pornography in the schools. And God’s gonna condemn him for that.

SLEN: What do you do in Kenner?

CALLER: And that’s the reason why … he even went to the hospital and everything.

SLEN: Caller, what do you do in Kenner, Louisiana?

CALLER: Pardon me?

SLEN: What do you do in Kenner? Do you have a job?

CALLER: I’m a housewife.

SLEN: A housewife? Where do you go to church?

CALLER: I go to different churches. I go to, sometimes, in New Orleans, I go to the Cathedral. And I believe in my God, and I know that God is here to protect everybody. And if Kerry comes in … God helped the whole world, because God loved … Kerry … oh, that’s another thing …

SLEN: Thanks, caller. I’m afraid – I’m afraid we’re out of time. I wish I could let you go on, but I’m afraid we’re out of time.
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CSPAN show from Sep 23, at the 1:56:43 point in the show.

Bill,

I hope you meant this post in jest. If not, it is the lamest post I have ever seen from you. Using a couple of dumb callers as examples of those who support Bush is ridiculous.

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Chris

[billvon 3,120]

>Using a couple of dumb callers as examples of those who support Bush is ridiculous.

That _is_ someone who supports Bush; I found her reasoning very funny. I am sure there are yellow-dog democrats who support Kerry for similar reasons.