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Yes, much better to be killed by the first guy
No. Much better to have strict gun control.
dudeist skydiver # 3105
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Yes, much better to be killed by the first guy
No. Much better to have strict gun control.
Could you fill me in on how gun control helps you when you are confronted by an armed attacker?
QuoteCould you fill me in on how gun control helps you when you are confronted by an armed attacker
No.
As I do not expect such an event daily.
And
Yes
Just as a proposal: Change laws. For the armed attackers, it will be much harder to reach out for guns. And your life will be a little bit easier.
And after 50 years, your grand-grand-..(don't know if you're 25 or 55)...son will be able to leave his home just controlling if he's got his keys in his jeans and not, if he forgot the bullets for his .38 special..
It always starts in the beginning. (This is not my discovery).
dudeist skydiver # 3105
Jimbo 0
QuoteNo. Much better to have strict gun control.
Why does England currently have a gun problem?
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Jim
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QuoteNo.
As I do not expect such an event daily.
Neither do I.
QuoteAnd
Yes
Just as a proposal: Change laws. For the armed attackers, it will be much harder to reach out for guns. And your life will be a little bit easier.
Most criminals aren't buying them legally in the first place. What difference would that make?
QuoteAnd after 50 years, your grand-grand-..(don't know if you're 25 or 55)...son will be able to leave his home just controlling if he's got his keys in his jeans and not, if he forgot the bullets for his .38 special..
I'm 32 and don't plan on having kids....I also plan to live as long as possible before leaving this rock.
Douva 0
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Violence causes violence causes violence causes....
you know, that thing throwing a stone into silent water, watch the rings...
Violence can sometimes lead to more violence. But it can also stop a violent offender in his tracks. Pacifism does absolutely nothing to stop violence and can, in some cases, allow violence to flourish. The truth is, violence is here to stay. Carrying or owning a gun, in and of itself, does not propagate violence. I can carry a concealed handgun day in and day out without anybody knowing about it. Having the gun doesn't inspire me to walk down dark alleys alone or start arguments with people who cut me off in traffic. It doesn't do anything whatsoever to spread violence. If somebody pulls a gun on me and asks for my money, I don't intend to test the speed of my quick draw against the speed of his trigger finger. Just because I have the gun on me, I don't have to draw it at the first sign of danger. But if I ever see a woman being dragged away kicking and screaming by a man with a gun, like the couple in the story saw, you had better believe I won't be left completely helpless the way they were. You can play the "how would a gun help you in this situation" game all day. Anyone with common sense knows a gun won't help you in every situation, but in many situations, it can even the odds or even slant them in your favor. If you don't want a gun, don't buy one, but quit working to take guns away from law abiding citizens who are of little or no threat to you or society.
I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.
mnealtx 0
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Violence causes violence causes violence causes....
you know, that thing throwing a stone into silent water, watch the rings...
Like the anti-Turk riots in Mannheim and Franfurt?
Mike
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POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
JohnRich 4
QuoteI will always try my best to assist strictest gun controls / laws in my mother country.
You have stated previously that you own a hunting rifle. If your government orders you to surrender it, will you comply happily, without complaint or regrets?
Since you had no intention of using that hunting rifle in crime anyway, how would that surrender contribute to a safer society?
QuoteViolence causes violence causes violence causes....
Violence in self-defense, stops the perpetuation of violence from that attacker. To allow a violent criminal to succeed and to continue attacking people, without taking any measures to stop him, is what causes yet more violence.
Are you suggesting that the police shouldn't use violence to apprehend criminals?
Should violence used to fight against terrorism be forbidden?
QuoteWhat am I supposed to do to protect myself as soon as I step on NYC's concret in November?
Live up to your ideals: go defenseless. If someone attacks you - well, good luck.
JohnRich 4
QuoteQuoteYes, much better to be killed by the first guy
No. Much better to have strict gun control.
and...
QuoteFor the armed attackers, it will be much harder to reach out for guns.
Gun control doesn't stop criminals from killing people. You obviously haven't studied the examples from history. Just in the last decade, we have both England and Australia which have introduced strict gun control measures, including confiscation of many firearms. And in both cases, their gun crime continued to rise afterwards.
And of course, we don't dare mention the example of civilian gun control from 65 years ago in your own country.
Criminals don't give a whit about gun control - they get guns anyway on the black market. In fact, they love it: it makes for more helpless victims.
QuoteAnd after 50 years, your grand-grand-..(don't know if you're 25 or 55)...son will be able to leave his home just controlling if he's got his keys in his jeans and not, if he forgot the bullets for his .38 special.
Why does it take 50-years for your gun control laws to become effective?
Heck, if we implemented them tomorrow, by the time that 50 years was up, the criminals would be using 40-gigawatt plasma phasers.
Your expressed opinions show a great deal of lack of factual knowledge on the issue of the efficacy of gun control, or else an enormous degree of naivete.
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Like the anti-Turk riots in Mannheim and Franfurt
Riots?
You talk about Frankfurt?
You talk about which century?
dudeist skydiver # 3105
mnealtx 0
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Like the anti-Turk riots in Mannheim and Franfurt
Riots?
You talk about Frankfurt?
You talk about which century?
I talk about the riots in Frankfurt and Mannheim back in the 90's, when I was living in Germany.
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
JohnRich,
no need to enter into detailled answer. Simply that:
I slightly understand if you live with weapons, they become a part of your life. So, I ask you to simply understand: If I (or we) use to live w/o weapons, they are not a part of our daily life! Mr. Normal living around next corner is not breaking his head, if he's allowed to own a gun or not , if he will make it trough the new day without a hand gun, if he will go to bed at night, needing his colt be placed under the pillow. He simply goes to bed.
And yes, JohnRich, I am allowed to own weapons as I am a hunter. But the best is, I live w/o fears, w/o my colt parked on my right hip. If one day I would be forced to give them up, I would do without any tears in my eyes. The gun itself means nothing to me. All my beloved folks around me do not own guns. I do not need to protect them with mine. I use mine to kill animals.
If you feel there is a lack of knowledge on that matter - if this is in history or actually- in my side:
I.Really.Do.Not.Mind! Why the hell should I?
Based on that, I'd like to say it's better to leave it just like that. You will not convice me and vice-versa.
That's the basic evil.
That point will need another 50 years to be solved.
(And how I enjoy my new three-barrelled gun! Hand made silver mounting, sooo good looking, that toy!)
dudeist skydiver # 3105
no need to enter into detailled answer. Simply that:
I slightly understand if you live with weapons, they become a part of your life. So, I ask you to simply understand: If I (or we) use to live w/o weapons, they are not a part of our daily life! Mr. Normal living around next corner is not breaking his head, if he's allowed to own a gun or not , if he will make it trough the new day without a hand gun, if he will go to bed at night, needing his colt be placed under the pillow. He simply goes to bed.
And yes, JohnRich, I am allowed to own weapons as I am a hunter. But the best is, I live w/o fears, w/o my colt parked on my right hip. If one day I would be forced to give them up, I would do without any tears in my eyes. The gun itself means nothing to me. All my beloved folks around me do not own guns. I do not need to protect them with mine. I use mine to kill animals.
If you feel there is a lack of knowledge on that matter - if this is in history or actually- in my side:
I.Really.Do.Not.Mind! Why the hell should I?
Based on that, I'd like to say it's better to leave it just like that. You will not convice me and vice-versa.
That's the basic evil.
That point will need another 50 years to be solved.
(And how I enjoy my new three-barrelled gun! Hand made silver mounting, sooo good looking, that toy!)
dudeist skydiver # 3105
Jimbo 0
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I talk about the riots in Frankfurt and Mannheim back in the 90's, when I was living in Germany
There were riots in Frankfurt when you lived in Germany?
Holy Moses! Where have I been in these days?
Where's the actual connection to present thread ?
dudeist skydiver # 3105
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Not everyone lives in concrete jungles. Even in blissful suburbia here, we have a rabies issue. I hike, in areas full of rattlesnakes, occasional bear. Again, rabies is a concern. I've never had to use a weapon to defend myself, a rock or loud noise or just waiting typically does the trick. But if I am confronted by a rabid 'coon, I will not hesitate to shoot it. I have the right to protect myself on the trails.
I often hike alone, often on the Appalacian trail, which can be extremely dangerous. A lot of people are mugged/raped every year. Having weaponry on me both from a person and animal perspective is the only wise thing to do.
There is no fear at all in me about other people, whether armed or not. But there are certain situations in which not having a gun or other form of defence is just not appropriate.
Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda
JohnRich 4
QuoteAnd yes, JohnRich, I am allowed to own weapons as I am a hunter. If one day I would be forced to give them up, I would do without any tears in my eyes. The gun itself means nothing to me. All my beloved folks around me do not own guns. I do not need to protect them with mine.
Now answer the second part of the question I posed: how would the surrender of your firearms contribute to public safety, since you aren't a criminal threat to anyone, use them only for lawful hunting, and don't need them for protection?
QuoteThat point will need another 50 years to be solved.
Numerous countries already have 50-years of gun control under their belts. It doesn't work. Open your eyes.
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Not everyone lives in concrete jungles. Even in blissful suburbia here, we have a rabies issue. I hike, in areas full of rattlesnakes, occasional bear. Again, rabies is a concern. I've never had to use a weapon to defend myself, a rock or loud noise or just waiting typically does the trick. But if I am confronted by a rabid 'coon, I will not hesitate to shoot it. I have the right to protect myself on the trails.
I often hike alone, often on the Appalacian trail, which can be extremely dangerous. A lot of people are mugged/raped every year. Having weaponry on me both from a person and animal perspective is the only wise thing to do.
There is no fear at all in me about other people, whether armed or not. But there are certain situations in which not having a gun or other form of defence is just not appropriate
There's a difference. I was not talking about nature or its danger.
My very first years, I grew up in Canada. From time to time, there was a black bear to be seen. Today, seen from a distance of many years, it sounds so unbelievable to me. Even to watch out for a simple beaver, I have to do a long ride
When hunting in Canada or Cameroon, I never walk around without any gun.
I would like to be on such a trail like you did! Right now! Would cancel all my skydiving plans (or not ?
) Yes. 
Coons are a problem here since a while (not rabid, but these little gangsters enter into any house, these tormenators cannot be simply shot down in the cities! Not even in the woods!
Except in rabid case, of course.
I agree to your last sentence.
dudeist skydiver # 3105
JohnRich 4
QuoteQuoteI talk about the riots in Frankfurt and Mannheim back in the 90's, when I was living in Germany
There were riots in Frankfurt when you lived in Germany?
Holy Moses! Where have I been in these days?
Where's the actual connection to present thread ?
Please try and keep up. You're developing a habit of avoiding answering questions.
You can follow the "in reply to" links to jump back and find the messages which originated the question.
The connection is your quote that; "violence causes violence".
With that refresher course, would you now like to try and respond to the gentleman's question?
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QuoteCould you fill me in on how gun control helps you when you are confronted by an armed attacker
No.
As I do not expect such an event daily.
And
Yes
Just as a proposal: Change laws. For the armed attackers, it will be much harder to reach out for guns. And your life will be a little bit easier.
But... we are already talking about a person who -- whatever the gun control situation is -- HAS a gun and is pointing it at you on the street!
WHAT DOES GUN CONTROL DO FOR YOU WHEN THE CRIMINAL IS POINTING AN ILLEGAL GUN AT YOU?
Forget it. People, this is maddening. Either christelsabine is incapable of understanding our points, or she is obstinately unwilling to discuss this in good faith. It's like talking to a wall. Forget it.
-Jeffrey
-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
JohnRich 4
QuoteThere's a difference. I was not talking about nature or its danger.
When hunting in Canada or Cameroon, I never walk around without any gun.
Coons are a problem here since a while (not rabid, but these little gangsters enter into any house, these tormenators cannot be simply shot down in the cities! Except in rabid case, of course.
I agree to your last sentence.
Now you're starting to contradict yourself. You say that you would approve of any government gun control measures that are proposed, no matter how strict. And yet you acknowledge that there are circumstances in which guns are needed by citizens for self defense.
Make up your mind!
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Violence causes violence causes violence causes....
you know, that thing throwing a stone into silent water, watch the rings...
Violence can sometimes lead to more violence. But it can also stop a violent offender in his tracks. Pacifism does absolutely nothing to stop violence and can, in some cases, allow violence to flourish. The truth is, violence is here to stay. Carrying or owning a gun, in and of itself, does not propagate violence. I can carry a concealed handgun day in and day out without anybody knowing about it. Having the gun doesn't inspire me to walk down dark alleys alone or start arguments with people who cut me off in traffic. It doesn't do anything whatsoever to spread violence. If somebody pulls a gun on me and asks for my money, I don't intend to test the speed of my quick draw against the speed of his trigger finger. Just because I have the gun on me, I don't have to draw it at the first sign of danger. But if I ever see a woman being dragged away kicking and screaming by a man with a gun, like the couple in the story saw, you had better believe I won't be left completely helpless the way they were. You can play the "how would a gun help you in this situation" game all day. Anyone with common sense knows a gun won't help you in every situation, but in many situations, it can even the odds or even slant them in your favor. If you don't want a gun, don't buy one, but quit working to take guns away from law abiding citizens who are of little or no threat to you or society.
A post so nice, you're seeing it twice!
Thanks, Douva -- this is excellent!
-Jeffrey
-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
QuoteJohnRich,
no need to enter into detailled answer. Simply that:
I slightly understand if you live with weapons, they become a part of your life. So, I ask you to simply understand: If I (or we) use to live w/o weapons, they are not a part of our daily life! Mr. Normal living around next corner is not breaking his head, if he's allowed to own a gun or not , if he will make it trough the new day without a hand gun, if he will go to bed at night, needing his colt be placed under the pillow. He simply goes to bed.
Yeah, except for this guy:
Maniac kills 18 people in peaceful, 'We-live-without-the-need-for-guns Germany
Care to comment, christelsabine??
Probably not. I expect you'll come out with some nonsense about how those people who he killed should have waited 49 more years for gun control to take effect and finally produce some fucking results.
-Jeffrey
-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
Yes, much better to be killed by the first guy.
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