DrunkMonkey 0 #1 September 21, 2004 Vote Libertarian! www.lp.org -That is all- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #2 September 21, 2004 QuoteVote Libertarian! www.lp.org -That is all- Yes... Yes... If you hate GWB, vote Libertarian!!! That'll work out nicely! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #3 September 21, 2004 And half of all lefties should vote for Nader. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MC208B 0 #4 September 22, 2004 I WOULD vote libertarian if they ever had a chance to win. I agree with everything they offer. Have to vote for Bush this time tho. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #5 September 22, 2004 QuoteI WOULD vote libertarian if they ever had a chance to win. I agree with everything they offer. Have to vote for Bush this time tho. Exactly. But I am not currently willing to simply take a vote from Bush so that Kerry may win. -Jeffrey --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrunkMonkey 0 #6 September 22, 2004 QuoteI WOULD vote libertarian if they ever had a chance to win. I agree with everything they offer. Have to vote for Bush this time tho. I'm voting LP, but I'm pretty sure Dubya will win, which will give us .mil folk a pay hike, so fuckit... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jib 0 #7 September 22, 2004 Poor Kerry... There's not a computer geek with big ears and lots of charts to take votes away from a Bush this time?? -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Clownburner 0 #8 September 22, 2004 I find it amazing that a self-professed libertarian could vote for the president most directly responsible for the erosion of civil liberties in the last 50 years.7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Douva 0 #9 September 22, 2004 I'm voting LP. Go Badnarik!I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrunkMonkey 0 #10 September 22, 2004 QuoteI find it amazing that a self-professed libertarian could vote for the president most directly responsible for the erosion of civil liberties in the last 50 years. Read my posting--I said I was voting LP, but if GWB wins, (not that I want to see that happen) I'm in line for a pay hike--ergo a nice consolation prize. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #11 September 22, 2004 QuoteI find it amazing that a self-professed libertarian could vote for the president most directly responsible for the erosion of civil liberties in the last 50 years. I don't. It's a case of the lesser evil, I think.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #12 September 22, 2004 So you'd rather vote against your beliefs?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #13 September 22, 2004 Honestly, I'll probably vote for Badnarik, if that's an option here. But that's only because it won't matter much--Idaho is an overwhelmingly Republican place. If the race was close, and I thought my vote might matter, I'd vote for Bush. Pragmatism sometimes yields strategic voting, which isn't so much voting "against" my beliefs, as voting in the manner most likely to advance my beliefs in the long run.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MC208B 0 #14 September 22, 2004 I prefer Bush over Kerry and the libertarian candidate has no chance whatsover. WA state is going to be a very close race and Bush is the lesser of two evils I believe. To bad we have to pick the lesser of two evils. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Clownburner 0 #15 September 22, 2004 This 'lesser of two evils' thing is pi$$ing me off. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. If you keep just picking the 'lesser evil' instead of the candidate you want, we end up with just that - evil. This is going to keep getting worse until we DO something about it!7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #16 September 22, 2004 QuoteThis 'lesser of two evils' thing is pi$$ing me off. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. If you keep just picking the 'lesser evil' instead of the candidate you want, we end up with just that - evil. This is going to keep getting worse until we DO something about it! I gotta go with Bush, the lesser of two evils, too. Lately, I have not been given an opportunity to choose a candidate I like. I feel the Republican Party is moving away from the things I believe in when they choose a candidate. I'm sure a lot of Democrats feel the same. I want change too.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #17 September 22, 2004 >I want change too. Then pick a Third party! The Green Party, the Lib's... there are lots of them out there. The more support they recieve the more the major parties will look at them and see what stances they can "learn from" to get your vote in the future.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gmanpilot 0 #18 September 22, 2004 QuoteI gotta go with Bush, the lesser of two evils, too. Lately, I have not been given an opportunity to choose a candidate I like....... I want change too. If you want a change in the two party system, how can you, in good conscience, cast a vote to perpetuate it? The Republican and Democratic parties are equally corrupt and bloated. We really need to trash the two party system._________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #19 September 22, 2004 QuoteThis is going to keep getting worse until we DO something about it! I would rather have my dog as President than Bush. Since my dog isn't an option, I will have to go with the lesser of two evils. I will vote self-righteously next time, and I have debated this with myself over and over again. Right now, it's more important to me to make sure Bush doesn't become President again than to vote based on my beliefs.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #20 September 22, 2004 QuoteQuoteI gotta go with Bush, the lesser of two evils, too. Lately, I have not been given an opportunity to choose a candidate I like....... I want change too. If you want a change in the two party system, how can you, in good conscience, cast a vote to perpetuate it? The Republican and Democratic parties are equally corrupt and bloated. We really need to trash the two party system. You are both correct. I keep waiting for a party with my personal laundry list: saving the environment, strong national defense, sealing our borders, getting off the Arab tit, etc. just a few. Am I dreaming?Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #21 September 22, 2004 The Liberitarian party meets a lot of those goals. Check them out!Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #22 September 22, 2004 I would rather have my dog as President than Kerry. Since my dog isn't an option, I will have to go with the lesser of two evils. I will vote self-righteously next time, and I have debated this with myself over and over again. Right now, it's more important to me to make sure Kerry doesn't become President again ever than to vote based on my beliefs. That's what I would say, if I could vote in a "battleground" state. Unfortunately, I have to choose between AL or NJ, two of the most locked in states in the election. Since my vote would not affect the outcome, I can vote third party in good conscience. I'm going to vote for Badnarik, but if I voted in a state the had a snowball's chance in hell of being close, I'd have to go Bush.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gmanpilot 0 #23 September 23, 2004 QuoteRight now, it's more important to me to make sure Bush doesn't become President again than to vote based on my beliefs. The only result if we continue with this approach will be business (or politics) as usual. We get the candidates we deserve if we don't start thinking long term._________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #24 September 23, 2004 > The Liberitarian party meets a lot of those goals. They're good on some things, but horrible on environmental protection and energy independence. Their plan for environmental protection would be to remove all government environmental controls, and then allow you to sue power companies if your child developed emphysema from NOx/SOx pollution. (If you couldn't prove damage - i.e. your child was not yet sick - you would not have a legal basis on which to sue.) For energy independence? Remove all controls on all forms of energy (i.e. taxes, subsidies, environmental restrictions etc) and let people use the cheapest, dirtiest form of energy they wanted to. Everyone would go back to using leaded, high sulfur gas because it would be a little cheaper (both engine design and fuel usage) than unleaded gas. It would actually _increase_ oil demand by allowing refineries to ship cheaper gas. I like the libertarian's stance on a lot of issues, but it is a stance that has not yet been refined by having to be put to the test in the real world. I suspect it will evolve if it ever does become closer to a mainstream party. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #25 September 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteRight now, it's more important to me to make sure Bush doesn't become President again than to vote based on my beliefs. The only result if we continue with this approach will be business (or politics) as usual. 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Kennedy 0 #3 September 21, 2004 And half of all lefties should vote for Nader. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #4 September 22, 2004 I WOULD vote libertarian if they ever had a chance to win. I agree with everything they offer. Have to vote for Bush this time tho. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #5 September 22, 2004 QuoteI WOULD vote libertarian if they ever had a chance to win. I agree with everything they offer. Have to vote for Bush this time tho. Exactly. But I am not currently willing to simply take a vote from Bush so that Kerry may win. -Jeffrey --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #6 September 22, 2004 QuoteI WOULD vote libertarian if they ever had a chance to win. I agree with everything they offer. Have to vote for Bush this time tho. I'm voting LP, but I'm pretty sure Dubya will win, which will give us .mil folk a pay hike, so fuckit... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #7 September 22, 2004 Poor Kerry... There's not a computer geek with big ears and lots of charts to take votes away from a Bush this time?? -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clownburner 0 #8 September 22, 2004 I find it amazing that a self-professed libertarian could vote for the president most directly responsible for the erosion of civil liberties in the last 50 years.7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #9 September 22, 2004 I'm voting LP. Go Badnarik!I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #10 September 22, 2004 QuoteI find it amazing that a self-professed libertarian could vote for the president most directly responsible for the erosion of civil liberties in the last 50 years. Read my posting--I said I was voting LP, but if GWB wins, (not that I want to see that happen) I'm in line for a pay hike--ergo a nice consolation prize. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #11 September 22, 2004 QuoteI find it amazing that a self-professed libertarian could vote for the president most directly responsible for the erosion of civil liberties in the last 50 years. I don't. It's a case of the lesser evil, I think.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #12 September 22, 2004 So you'd rather vote against your beliefs?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #13 September 22, 2004 Honestly, I'll probably vote for Badnarik, if that's an option here. But that's only because it won't matter much--Idaho is an overwhelmingly Republican place. If the race was close, and I thought my vote might matter, I'd vote for Bush. Pragmatism sometimes yields strategic voting, which isn't so much voting "against" my beliefs, as voting in the manner most likely to advance my beliefs in the long run.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #14 September 22, 2004 I prefer Bush over Kerry and the libertarian candidate has no chance whatsover. WA state is going to be a very close race and Bush is the lesser of two evils I believe. To bad we have to pick the lesser of two evils. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clownburner 0 #15 September 22, 2004 This 'lesser of two evils' thing is pi$$ing me off. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. If you keep just picking the 'lesser evil' instead of the candidate you want, we end up with just that - evil. This is going to keep getting worse until we DO something about it!7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #16 September 22, 2004 QuoteThis 'lesser of two evils' thing is pi$$ing me off. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. If you keep just picking the 'lesser evil' instead of the candidate you want, we end up with just that - evil. This is going to keep getting worse until we DO something about it! I gotta go with Bush, the lesser of two evils, too. Lately, I have not been given an opportunity to choose a candidate I like. I feel the Republican Party is moving away from the things I believe in when they choose a candidate. I'm sure a lot of Democrats feel the same. I want change too.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #17 September 22, 2004 >I want change too. Then pick a Third party! The Green Party, the Lib's... there are lots of them out there. The more support they recieve the more the major parties will look at them and see what stances they can "learn from" to get your vote in the future.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmanpilot 0 #18 September 22, 2004 QuoteI gotta go with Bush, the lesser of two evils, too. Lately, I have not been given an opportunity to choose a candidate I like....... I want change too. If you want a change in the two party system, how can you, in good conscience, cast a vote to perpetuate it? The Republican and Democratic parties are equally corrupt and bloated. We really need to trash the two party system._________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #19 September 22, 2004 QuoteThis is going to keep getting worse until we DO something about it! I would rather have my dog as President than Bush. Since my dog isn't an option, I will have to go with the lesser of two evils. I will vote self-righteously next time, and I have debated this with myself over and over again. Right now, it's more important to me to make sure Bush doesn't become President again than to vote based on my beliefs.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #20 September 22, 2004 QuoteQuoteI gotta go with Bush, the lesser of two evils, too. Lately, I have not been given an opportunity to choose a candidate I like....... I want change too. If you want a change in the two party system, how can you, in good conscience, cast a vote to perpetuate it? The Republican and Democratic parties are equally corrupt and bloated. We really need to trash the two party system. You are both correct. I keep waiting for a party with my personal laundry list: saving the environment, strong national defense, sealing our borders, getting off the Arab tit, etc. just a few. Am I dreaming?Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #21 September 22, 2004 The Liberitarian party meets a lot of those goals. Check them out!Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #22 September 22, 2004 I would rather have my dog as President than Kerry. Since my dog isn't an option, I will have to go with the lesser of two evils. I will vote self-righteously next time, and I have debated this with myself over and over again. Right now, it's more important to me to make sure Kerry doesn't become President again ever than to vote based on my beliefs. That's what I would say, if I could vote in a "battleground" state. Unfortunately, I have to choose between AL or NJ, two of the most locked in states in the election. Since my vote would not affect the outcome, I can vote third party in good conscience. I'm going to vote for Badnarik, but if I voted in a state the had a snowball's chance in hell of being close, I'd have to go Bush.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmanpilot 0 #23 September 23, 2004 QuoteRight now, it's more important to me to make sure Bush doesn't become President again than to vote based on my beliefs. The only result if we continue with this approach will be business (or politics) as usual. We get the candidates we deserve if we don't start thinking long term._________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #24 September 23, 2004 > The Liberitarian party meets a lot of those goals. They're good on some things, but horrible on environmental protection and energy independence. Their plan for environmental protection would be to remove all government environmental controls, and then allow you to sue power companies if your child developed emphysema from NOx/SOx pollution. (If you couldn't prove damage - i.e. your child was not yet sick - you would not have a legal basis on which to sue.) For energy independence? Remove all controls on all forms of energy (i.e. taxes, subsidies, environmental restrictions etc) and let people use the cheapest, dirtiest form of energy they wanted to. Everyone would go back to using leaded, high sulfur gas because it would be a little cheaper (both engine design and fuel usage) than unleaded gas. It would actually _increase_ oil demand by allowing refineries to ship cheaper gas. I like the libertarian's stance on a lot of issues, but it is a stance that has not yet been refined by having to be put to the test in the real world. I suspect it will evolve if it ever does become closer to a mainstream party. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #25 September 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteRight now, it's more important to me to make sure Bush doesn't become President again than to vote based on my beliefs. The only result if we continue with this approach will be business (or politics) as usual. We get the candidates we deserve if we don't start thinking long term. and the leaders we dont by not realizing the system is fucked....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
