Jib 0 #26 September 20, 2004 Quote Quote Some assholes try to slime Bush and it's somehow about changing the topic?? This is "some asshole sliming Bush"?: Nope, I was referring to Rather and/or his source -- former Army National Guard officer, Bill Burkett. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #27 September 21, 2004 Quote Quote Quote Some assholes try to slime Bush and it's somehow about changing the topic?? This is "some asshole sliming Bush"?: Nope, I was referring to Rather and/or his source -- former Army National Guard officer, Bill Burkett. Fair enough, my mistake. Personally, Dem or Republican, I think think most people would agree this whole affair STINKS..."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #28 September 21, 2004 Quote Quote Correct -- for CBS, the deadline is Nov. 2nd. Are you saying that if Bush remains in office CBS will go out of business? No, I'm saying that I believe CBS and Rather have an obvious and proactive liberal agenda. Their deadline for affecting the election is Nov. 2nd. Quote Truth be told, I think they could give a shit. I disagree. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,583 #29 September 21, 2004 Quote This is "some asshole sliming Bush"?: (refers to brilliant quote from Wendy) Quote Nope, I was referring to Rather and/or his source Damn. And here I was really hoping for "some asshole" status. Rather had a source; he authenticated it; he ran with it. He didn't do a good job of authenticating it; he followed the rules to the letter, but not the spirit. And he seems to have started a shitstorm -- that's good in a way, because hopefully it'll keep the press looking at their journalistic reputations as a little more important than their deadlines and the sensationalism of their stories. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #30 September 21, 2004 Quote Frankly, I think they rushed the story because they had a deadline. Wendy, if you were talking about Bush, Kallend would rush in here and call you an apologist. Quote I'm sure he thought they were well enough validated. How could he have? His document examiners practically told him that the documents were frauds. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #31 September 21, 2004 Quote And he seems to have started a shitstorm -- that's good in a way, because hopefully it'll keep the press looking at their journalistic reputations as a little more important than their deadlines and the sensationalism of their stories. I can see it now, The Day I Saved the Media, by Dan Rather. Maybe he should request the journalistic equivalent of the Purple Heart. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,583 #32 September 21, 2004 Interesting. You seem to have missed the part where I said that was bad. It was wrong. I don't think it makes him particularly close to being the devil, but maybe that's just me. It's kind of like a 4-year-old believing in Santa Claus. If he just believes hard enough, it will be true. True for both Rather and Bush. Which would you rather have be wrong? I don't mean from a back-up-your-beliefs point of view, but instead from a long-term-effect-on-the-health-of-the-country point of view? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1 0 #33 September 21, 2004 Hey Tunaplanet. I am not much for writing long posts or replys. I always beleive that you can get a point across without writing more than one paragraph. GOOD POST!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #34 September 21, 2004 Quote And the issue being a fake report, from an "unimpeachable" resource, then, aknowledging the fact that it was "probably" fake they ask the secretary "do you think this is an actual memo" she declares no, and try to sell the story as "well, this memo is probably false" but yet the "context" still is true!!!. I think that is the issue on this one pal. Yep, and all along I said I wouldn't put it past CBS to run something they hadn't confirmed or skew something to be more shocking. But what does it have to do with liberals or conservatives or the candidates? It's typical broadcast media. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,145 #35 September 21, 2004 Let's be clear about something. The memos themselves were a hoax. The content was accurate according to the Lt.Col.'s secretary. The content is also consistent with official DoD documentation.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #36 September 21, 2004 Kallend .... Why should the Lt Col have any credibility now???? He has already admitted to lying. Quote Barnes Said Reports He Helped Bush At His Father's Urging Were "False." "Former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes denied a magazine report Thursday that he helped George W. Bush get a place in the Texas Air National Guard at the urging of Bush's father. Bush, the Republican presidential front-runner, has repeatedly denied that he received preferential treatment in being accepted into the Guard during the Vietnam War. … 'I never spoke to Congressman Bush about his son,' Barnes said Thursday. 'The story is false.'" (Renae Merle, "Barnes Denies Report That He Helped Bush Into The National Guard," The Associated Press, 7/15/99) He is also a financial contributer to the DNC. Also... Give me a link to the DoD documentation this is consistent with. (Back it up please) ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #37 September 21, 2004 Oh, here is more on your Lt. Col... Quote Ben Barnes Is Kerry Campaign Vice-Chair, Raising Over $100,000 For Campaign. (Kerry For President Website, www.johnkerry.com/fec/, Accessed 9/4/04) Barnes Considers John Kerry Close Personal Friend. "Barnes, a government consultant with offices in Austin, Chicago and Washington, said: 'I'm just an enthusiastic participant' who considers as personal friends Corzine, Daschle and Kerry, whom he got to know during summer vacations in Nantucket." (W. Gardner Selby, "Texas' Last 'Old Lion' Still On Prowl For Funds," San Antonio Express-Texas, 7/30/04) "Texans For Kerry" Website Links To Barnes Video. (Texans For Kerry Website, www.texansforkerry.com/texansforkerry/, Accessed 9/7/04) Barnes Is Considered "A Definite In" In Kerry Administration. "[Barnes has] known Kerry since the 1980s. 'I don't know who's going to be in and who's going to be out' of a possible Kerry administration, Barnes said. 'But John Kerry has been sympathetic to Texas in the past. ... I would expect him to listen to our problems if he's in the White House.' Barnes is a definite in, though he says he'll keep working as a lobbyist based in Austin." (Jay Root, "Texas Democrats Are Waiting In The Wings," Fort Worth Star Telegram, 7/31/04) Barnes Owns Home Near Kerry's In Nantucket. "Now a lobbyist and consultant, Barnes has a house near Kerry's in Nantucket, Mass., and committed to Kerry's White House bid nearly three years ago on the grounds of the Nantucket Golf Club." (Jay Root, "Texas Democrats Are Waiting In The Wings," Fort Worth Star Telegram, 7/31/04) Barnes Is Kerry "Super-Bundler" Fundraiser. "Eleven [Kerry super-bundlers] are from Texas, including Dallas plaintiff's lawyer Fred Baron and lobbyist Ben Barnes, a Lyndon Johnson protégé who served as lieutenant governor and is one of the national Democrat Party's most prodigious fund-raisers. 'If someone had told me last quarter that John Kerry would have raised as much money as he's been able to, I'd have said it couldn't happen. But I'm seeing it happen,' said Mr. Barnes, whose lobby clients have included American Airlines and the chemical giant Huntsman Corp." (Wayne Slater, "Vested Interests In Kerry Lawyers, Lobbyists Top Donors List," Dallas Morning News, 7/26/04) Opening Night Of Democratic Convention In Boston, "Kerry Adviser And Veteran Political Fund-Raiser"Barnes Hosted Party For Convention-Goers. "On the opening night of the Democratic National Convention, more than 250 well-dressed people strayed from the convention, enjoying bubbly drinks and appetizers such as tablespoon-sized shrimp salads at a party hosted by former Texas Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes. Barnes, a Kerry adviser and veteran political fund-raiser, said he scheduled his event to remind potential donors about the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee, which seeks to help Democrats recapture a majority in the U.S. Senate, where the GOP has a two-vote majority." (W. Gardner Selby, "Texas' Last 'Old Lion' Still On Prowl For Funds," San Antonio Express-Texas, 7/30/04) In October 2003, Barnes Hosted Fundraiser For John Kerry. "Democratic presidential contender John Kerry, counting on the Texas-Massachusetts connection that played better in the 1960s than it did in the 1980s, made three fund-raising stops in Texas on Wednesday as he campaigned toward primary season. Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts, spoke to about 60 supporters at the Four Seasons Hotel here between stops in Dallas and Houston….In introducing Kerry here, former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes likened him to Kennedy. 'He possesses the talent, the courage, the experience and the depth that will make him, as Jack Kennedy was in 1961, a president that has the determination to lead this country,' Barnes said." (Ken Herman, "Kerry Plays Up Texas' Link To His Home State," Austin American-Statesman, 10/2/03) Barnes Is A Partisan Democrat Daschle Called Barnes "The Fifty-First Democratic Senator." "Yet here he is in the rarefied atmosphere of big power and big-time politics -- one of the chief financial and strategic architects of the Democratic resurgence to parity (and subsequently control) in the Senate. Majority leader Tom Daschle has called him 'the fifty-first Democratic senator.'" (Paul Burka, "So What If He Never Got To Be Governor Or President?" Texas Monthly, 9/01) Barnes Attended Clinton Coffee Intended To Raise $500,000. "Newly released White House documents show that President Clinton's political operatives expected to raise $500,000 from a White House coffee for wealthy Texans in the summer, calling into question Clinton's assertion that 'no price tag was placed' on White House events. In a July 14 memo to White House officials, campaign Chairman Peter Knight suggested adding the Texas coffee klatch to Clinton's schedule as part of an effort to raise $7.8 million in the state. Knight predicted that the event would generate $500,000 in political contributions. About 20 Texans, including former Gov. Dolph Briscoe, Land Commissioner Garry Mauro and former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes, attended the Aug. 23 get-together with the president." (Ron Hutcheson, "Clinton's Fund-Raising Assertion Questioned," Fort Worth Star-Telegram, 2/27/97) ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #38 September 21, 2004 Quote Damn. And here I was really hoping for "some asshole" status. Rather had a source; he authenticated it; he ran with it. Wendy W. Awe Wendy, you know you'll always have a status like that with me. Bill Burkett? Lessee - mental problems, no other news source would air him, known political bias? Hmmm ok - so we can over look all that, right? But claiming him as UNIMPEACHABLE, is like saying that Bagdad Bob was unimpeachable. He KNEW better. Ra(th)er has been doing this for a very long time. He knows what it takes to "verify" a story - or at least the basis for a story. He didn't want to. He wanted to believe. I'll never trust his news again.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,145 #39 September 21, 2004 Quote Kallend .... Why should the Lt Col have any credibility now???? He has already admitted to lying. Quote Barnes Said Reports He Helped Bush At His Father's Urging Were "False." "Former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes denied a magazine report Thursday that he helped George W. Bush get a place in the Texas Air National Guard at the urging of Bush's father. Bush, the Republican presidential front-runner, has repeatedly denied that he received preferential treatment in being accepted into the Guard during the Vietnam War. … 'I never spoke to Congressman Bush about his son,' Barnes said Thursday. 'The story is false.'" (Renae Merle, "Barnes Denies Report That He Helped Bush Into The National Guard," The Associated Press, 7/15/99) He is also a financial contributer to the DNC. Also... Give me a link to the DoD documentation this is consistent with. (Back it up please) There is a difference between a Lt. Col and a Lt. Gov. I was not referring to Barnes. The DoD stuff was released last week, AFTER the Bush camp said there was no more documentation, in response to a FOI request.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,102 #40 September 21, 2004 >Why should the Lt Col have any credibility now???? He has already >admitted to lying. Same reason the SBVFT have any credibility, I suppose. One funny example - O'Neill, one of the SBVFTs, accused Kerry of lying about being in Cambodia. One of the Nixon tapes contains this exchange: O'NEILL: I was in Cambodia, sir. worked along the border on the water. NIXON: In a swift boat? O'NEILL: Yes, sir. So he told exactly the same lie! (They were both patrolling the same area.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,145 #41 September 21, 2004 Quote Oh, here is more on your Lt. Col... ***Ben Barnes Is Kerry Campaign Vice-Chair, Raising Over $100,000 For Campaign. (Kerry For President Website, www.johnkerry.com/fec/, Accessed 9/4/04) snip Do you actually know the difference between a Lt. Colonel and a Lt. Governor? That's 2 posts in which you made the same error.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #42 September 21, 2004 Quote Do you actually know the difference between a Lt. Colonel and a Lt. Governor? i do! i do! one is in line for a frontal lobotomy the other has already had it. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakyrat 1 #43 September 22, 2004 I heard that the documents were looked over by several sources and found to be printed at a Washington area Kinko's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #45 September 22, 2004 THAT is funny!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #46 September 23, 2004 Quote Quote Oh, here is more on your Lt. Col... ***Ben Barnes Is Kerry Campaign Vice-Chair, Raising Over $100,000 For Campaign. (Kerry For President Website, www.johnkerry.com/fec/, Accessed 9/4/04) snip Do you actually know the difference between a Lt. Colonel and a Lt. Governor? That's 2 posts in which you made the same error. I do ... sorry for the delay reaction it had been a couple days. I wrote both post rather quickly before your post was out and did not see the error. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
