TypicalFish 0 #1 September 14, 2004 ...where the purported National Guard memos are supposed to have come from and how they got into the hands of CBS? Save the "snide comments" for one of the other threads (though they are funny); I have just been unable to turn up anything via the web as to the supposed source..."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sinkster 0 #2 September 14, 2004 Memo fairies? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #3 September 14, 2004 Quote...where the purported National Guard memos are supposed to have come from and how they got into the hands of CBS? Save the "snide comments" for one of the other threads (though they are funny); I have just been unable to turn up anything via the web as to the supposed source... Comments like "Sniff the memo and then sniff Dan Rathers ass and see if there is a similarity?" Seriously: Well the gentlemen that were discussing this last night, Hannity and someone - (didn't watch - just listened), said that the default setting on MSword were the same as the memo as far as the spacing goes. He also reported that hundreds of other memos from the the same time frame, and some from the same files that "these" were supposed to come from, were analysied, and they conclusively showed that the machines that were used to create the other docucuments beared no resemblance to whatever CBS has. He also said it wasn't DR's fault - but CBS should apologise. (Personally, I think DR has gone to far off the edge with frustration with Bush leading in the poles.)I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #4 September 14, 2004 Weren't they in Kitty _____'s book that Today is touting? -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #5 September 14, 2004 Yeah, I've gtten that part, I am curious as to how CBS came by them in the first place; or are you suggesting they were fabricated internally? Sniff Rather's ass? I'd rather just take someone else's word for it... "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #6 September 14, 2004 QuoteWeren't they in Kitty _____'s book that Today is touting? Could be; I think so. But who supposedly had them all this time? And where did THEY get them? Quite frankly, it really IS starting to look more and more like bullshit, no matter whose side you are on... Or at least their fact checking was, at any rate..."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #7 September 14, 2004 QuoteWell the gentlemen that were discussing this last night, Hannity and someone Colmes, probably. Show on Fox News, I catch it every now and again."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #8 September 14, 2004 They have not revealed their source, only saying it is "unimpeachable"... The family of the purported author says they did not come from them, and are not something the family feels he would have written... the signature does not match known and witnessed samples of the purported author's signature... and when compared to other samples of memos from the unit, the format and typographical features do not match... the "expert" used to verify the memos is even distancing himself from them... the CO of the purported author is now saying they are not authentic... The evidence is mounting... JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #9 September 14, 2004 Quote...where the purported National Guard memos are supposed to have come from and how they got into the hands of CBS? Save the "snide comments" for one of the other threads (though they are funny); I have just been unable to turn up anything via the web as to the supposed source... According to Rush Limbaugh (paraphrased from radio show): The identity of the "source" is probably being heavily protected because revealing him/her/them would mean the long-term loss of credibility for CBS, the end of Dan Rather's career, and the end of any possibility of Kerry winning the White House given that they’ve been determined to be fake by world renowned experts in the field. He also said that forgery like that with the intent of influencing a national election is a felony offense. If found out, some people are going down. I'm sure if someone outside the guilty party or parties knew who the source was, it would have been made public by now. I’m also pretty sure many people are hot on the trail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,110 #10 September 14, 2004 >The identity of the "source" is probably being heavily protected because > revealing him/her would mean the long-term loss of credibility for CBS, > the end of Dan Rather's career, and the end of any possibility of Kerry > winning the White House . . . Or would be the end of CBS getting any more news from protected sources. >given that they’ve been determined to be fake by world renowned experts > in the field. The only determination I've seen is that Microsoft Word can be used to fake them. Which isn't much of a suprise; that's what Microsoft Word was DESIGNED to do - to make documents that look exactly like someone typed them. >He also said that forgery like that with the intent of influencing a national > election is a felony offense. If found out, some people are going down. Oh please. We had an administration official out a CIA agent to the enemy. No one went down for that, and we never got the reporter who broke the story to reveal his sources either. Funny exchange between Novak (who won't reveal his source for the CIA leak) and Al Hunt from the WSJ: NOVAK: I'd like CBS, at this point, to say where they got these documents from. They didn't get them from a CIA agent. I don't believe there was any laws involved. I don't think we'll have a special prosecutor, if they tell. I think they should say where they got these documents because I thought it was a very poor job of reporting by CBS.... HUNT: Robert Novak, you're saying CBS should reveal its source? NOVAK: Yes. HUNT: You do? You think reporters ought to reveal sources? NOVAK: No, no. Wait a minute. HUNT: I'm just asking. NOVAK: I'm just saying in that case. HUNT: Oh. NOVAK: I think -- I think it's very important. If this is a phony document, the American -- the people should know about it. HUNT: So in some cases, reporters ought to reveal sources. NOVAK: Yes. HUNT: But not in all cases. NOVAK: That's right. HUNT: OK. Mark Shields, what's the relevance of all this? SHIELDS: A point well taken, Al. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #11 September 14, 2004 QuoteOr would be the end of CBS getting any more news from protected sources. Probably. I just think they’re just as guilty by not verifying the credibility of the memos. They’re in bed with the criminals. QuoteThe only determination I've seen is that Microsoft Word can be used to fake them. Which isn't much of a suprise; that's what Microsoft Word was DESIGNED to do - to make documents that look exactly like someone typed them. This is right off of abc.com. More than half a dozen document experts contacted by ABC News said they had doubts about the memos' authenticity. Would all of these “experts” go out on a limb with their own credibility and claim that they are fake? Could all the experts be Republicans? Fake documents QuoteOh please. We had an administration official out a CIA agent to the enemy. No one went down for that, and we never got the reporter who broke the story to reveal his sources either. Funny exchange between Novak (who won't reveal his source for the CIA leak) and Al Hunt from the WSJ: We’ll see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #12 September 14, 2004 QuoteOh please. We had an administration official out a CIA agent to the enemy Oh please, Bill... where is your evidence? It has not been proven that it came from the administration... QuoteThe only determination I've seen is that Microsoft Word can be used to fake them. Have you not seen the other documents know to be signed by the purported author, whose signatures do not match? How 'bout the pile of documents from the unit, from that time period, that do not exhibit the same spacing or superscripts? Everyone who CBS has said authenticated the documents has backed away from that... I don't know if the documents are fake or not, only that the evidence against them being real is mouting up... I think CBS should reveal their source, especailly since they claim the source is unimpeachable... I also think Novak should reveal whomever leaked the agent's name. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #13 September 14, 2004 QuoteThey have not revealed their source, only saying it is "unimpeachable"... Richard Nixon? Wow.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #14 September 14, 2004 QuoteRichard Nixon? Wow. Since Nixon is dead, I doubt it was him JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #15 September 14, 2004 I think they’re caught between a rock and a hard place. If they reveal their source, no other sources will trust them. However, since the evidence against the authenticity of the documents that they reported to the entire world as being authentic is rising, nobody’s going to trust them as a news organization. So maybe they should count their losses and reveal the source. Whichever is the lesser of two evils? Damage control since they’re obviously busted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
