Mirage63 0 #1 September 14, 2004 I know the term "fair and balanced" will set some of the folks off here, that's not my point. There seems to be enough other sources that have come out that there is some chance that the memo's are forgeries. Has anyone caught anything from NBC addressing the chance that the memo's may be forgeries? I don't believe that this will be tied back to J.K. but I do believe that it makes Dan Rather look like a very poor reporter. Where were was the other side of the story? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #2 September 14, 2004 there is no other side to the story, CBS and dan rather refused to look at this story as objectively as possible. Instead, they have said the Documents are real and are sticking by there story. This is completely Unethical based on the principals of journalism. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #3 September 14, 2004 I agree. Instead of even investigating the possibility that their sources were not as accurate as they though, they are just stubbornly standing by the original report. This kind of blind tenacity by nature evaporates their credibility. Truly ethical sources can admit when new data comes out and adjusts accordingly. I don't know if the documents are forgeries or not, and for this part of the discussion it doesn't matter since it is more about CBS ethics than anything else. Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #4 September 14, 2004 Interestingly, CBS's expert said today (or maybe yesterday) that he can only attest to one thing, that is the signature... he cannot speak to the document itself... I believe even the signature has been questioned by other "experts", but even he is trying to distance himself from the mess... JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #5 September 14, 2004 The signature has been questioned by more than 6 experts now. Looking at it on tv last night and visually comparing the new memos vs document proven to be signed by him it is OBVIOUS the signatures don't match!!! I ain't no expert!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mirage63 0 #6 September 14, 2004 I may stand somewhat corrected, there does seem to be some reporting by other sources. "A detailed comparison by The Washington Post of memos obtained by CBS News with authenticated documents on Bush's National Guard service reveals dozens of inconsistencies, ranging from conflicting military terminology to different word-processing techniques." I am not including Fox only because some people here would discredit anything they say (maybe right, maybe wrong) Home at lunch today, there does seem to be more on the T.V. about the whole thing. One point that seems to be coming out is that CBS and Dan Rather will stick by the story no matter what because that is easier - and in the end will be less damaging - than saying more information has come forword and here's the new information. Sad when the spin becomes more important than the facts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #7 September 14, 2004 Jay Leno was even joking about it. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #8 September 14, 2004 Three people voted in favor of Blather? Gee, I guess 15% of the population will believe anything. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jazzjumper 0 #9 September 14, 2004 QuoteThree people voted in favor of Blather? Gee, I guess 15% of the population will believe anything. Believe anything? No, but believe a leftwing mouthpiece? I've got odds on them being of Kallend, Billvon, and PhillyKev? Just curious who else came up with those three. No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #10 September 14, 2004 QuoteKallend, Billvon, and PhillyKev? You're leaving out one of the most extreme left-wingers on the forums. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jazzjumper 0 #11 September 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteKallend, Billvon, and PhillyKev? You're leaving out one of the most extreme left-wingers on the forums. Don't keep me in suspense. No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #12 September 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteKallend, Billvon, and PhillyKev? You're leaving out one of the most extreme left-wingers on the forums. Don't keep me in suspense. Quade?? -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #13 September 14, 2004 Quote I've got odds on them being of Kallend, Billvon, and PhillyKev? Nope, I didn't vote because I didn't actually see his report. How did you vote? And did you see the report or did you base your vote on a right wing mouth piece? Guess it doesn't matter how many times I say that I wouldn't doubt that Rather or 60 minutes, or the media would fabricate this kind of thing. Once you guys get people pigeon holed into your nice neat little stereo types, it's easy to ignore what people actually say and do and just make baseless accusations based on political leaning rather than actual events. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #14 September 14, 2004 Axeually - PK has pretty much denounced it. So - Kallend, Billvon, and Quade.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #15 September 14, 2004 I voted anti Dan Ra(th)er. I saw comparisons. There is no doubt in my mind that they are fakes.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #16 September 14, 2004 Thank you, Turtle. You're not included in my tirade under "you guys"...at least not this time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,145 #17 September 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteThree people voted in favor of Blather? Gee, I guess 15% of the population will believe anything. Believe anything? No, but believe a leftwing mouthpiece? I've got odds on them being of Kallend, Billvon, and PhillyKev? Just curious who else came up with those three. Not me - I haven't voted. I didn't see the program.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #18 September 14, 2004 Frankly, I'm amazed that many people who think it was a hatchet job were watching 60 minutes and saw it. I find it hard to believe they aren't voting based on what they heard from third parties. Either that or don't understand the question. The question wasn't whether you believed if the docs were true. It was do you think Rather presented the evidence with impartiality or did he spin it? My guess is most of the people who voted are either lying or don't comprehend the question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #19 September 15, 2004 QuoteNot me - I haven't voted. I didn't see the program. You didn't need to see the program in order to vote. Since you've stated that liberal bias in the mainstream media is a myth, you can rest assured that Blather made a fair 'n balanced presentation, right? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,145 #20 September 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteNot me - I haven't voted. I didn't see the program. You didn't need to see the program in order to vote. Since you've stated that liberal bias in the mainstream media is a myth, you can rest assured that Blather made a fair 'n balanced presentation, right? Maybe you express opinions on programs you haven't seen, but I don't.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #21 September 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteNot me - I haven't voted. I didn't see the program. You didn't need to see the program in order to vote. Since you've stated that liberal bias in the mainstream media is a myth, you can rest assured that Blather made a fair 'n balanced presentation, right? Maybe you express opinions on programs you haven't seen, but I don't. LOmotherfuckin'L!!! That's EXACTLY what you did when I mentioned (in a gun thread) that I had seen a program where a guy fired all six rounds of a .38 Special revolver in under a second! YOU expressed skepticism that it was true, by sarcastically telling me that it must be true since I saw it on t.v. So much for you not passing judgment on programs you haven't seen, Kallend. You're about as consistent as a series of 1000 Lotto drawings. -Jeffrey --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #22 September 15, 2004 QuoteMaybe you express opinions on programs you haven't seen, but I don't. I do. I also express opinions on wars I haven't fought in, government programs I haven't participated in, politicians I haven't met, and a whole load of other things that I have only garnered second (or third, or fourth) hand information about. Expecting people to only have opinions on things they have personally experienced kind of defeats the purpose of modern media and information technology.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #23 September 15, 2004 No, no, no, Tom. You can only rely on fifth hand information when you sit in an ivory tower and properly format footnotes to them. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
burbleflyer 0 #24 September 15, 2004 The ONLY reason Mr. Rather and CBS has not admitted these memos are fakes is because they are protecting the source. Its OK for a journalist to protect a credible source, but once the source is proven a fraud they must be revealed. The source of these documents is the dems and Dan and CBS is trying to protect them, and they are more than likely pretty high up the ladder. Dan is finished and CBS is finished as credible news sources. Kerry was already finished as a candidate. I predict a landslide for Bush. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #25 September 15, 2004 "You didn't need to see the program in order to vote." You don't even need to know what the hell everyone is talking about to vote.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
