storm1977 0 #76 September 24, 2004 What do you mean not giving a Flying flip about our nieghbor.... What about NAFTA? That helps our northern and southern nieghbors a lot!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,120 #77 September 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteI think we'll get money from Iraq oil eventually to cover some of the cost of this one as well. QuoteSo much for the "It is not about oil" theory See, this is the kind of comments that have no basis. It wasn't about oil, but about freedom. Re- read the State of the Union Message, January 2003, and Colin Powell's address to the UN Security Council March 2003, and you will see that it was not all about freedom. It was all about WMD. It only became all about freedom when the WMDs weren't there. Flip flop.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #78 September 24, 2004 See the definition of Flip-Flop.... If what you say is true, it is still not a flip flop. Example of a flip flop is John kerry that every member of congress needs to support the troops with money and body armor. Then he turns areound and votes no. Then Kerry at a speech says: "I actually did vote for the 87 billion dollars, before I voted against it. Flip-flop: That is when your stance on a topic changes to the EXACT opposite of what it had been. There are many issue people are saying Kerry flip-flopped on that he didn't. I will give you that. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #79 September 24, 2004 QuoteSee the definition of Flip-Flop.... If what you say is true, it is still not a flip flop. Example of a flip flop is John kerry that every member of congress needs to support the troops with money and body armor. Then he turns areound and votes no. Then Kerry at a speech says: "I actually did vote for the 87 billion dollars, before I voted against it. Flip-flop: That is when your stance on a topic changes to the EXACT opposite of what it had been. There are many issue people are saying Kerry flip-flopped on that he didn't. I will give you that. Flip "Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture don't have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president." -- John Kerry 12/20/03 Flop "...(T)he satisfaction we take in (Saddam's) downfall does not hide this fact: We have traded a dictator for a chaos that has left America less secure." -- John Kerry, 9/20/04 Reality Check "Well, what can we say of Senator Kerry? He was for the war and then he was against the war. He was for it, but he wouldn't fund it. Then he'd fund it, but he wasn't for it. He was for the Patriot Act until he was against the Patriot Act. Or was he against it until he was for it? I forget. He probably does, too. This is a candidate who has to Google his own name to find out where he stands." -- George Pataki Flip "But I don't think anyone in the Congress is going to not give our troops ammunition, not give our troops the ability to be able to defend themselves. We're not going to cut and run and not do the job." -- John Kerry on the $87 billion dollars spent to rebuild Iraq and support our troops in Iraq, 9/14/03 Flop "I'm proud to say that John (Edwards) joined me in voting against that $87 billion..." -- John Kerry, 7/12/04 "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." -- John Kerry, 3/19/04 Reality Check "My point about John Kerry being inconsistent is best described in his own words, not mine. I quote John Kerry, "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." Maybe this explains John Edwards' need for two Americas. One is where John Kerry can vote for something and another where he can vote against exactly the same thing." -- Rudy Giuliani Flip "Iraq may not be the war on terror itself, but it is critical to the outcome of the war on terror, and therefore any advance in Iraq is an advance forward in that and I disagree with the Governor [Howard Dean]." -- John Kerry, 12/15/03 Flop "...(W)e must have a great honest national debate on Iraq. The President claims it is the centerpiece of his war on terror. In fact, Iraq was a profound diversion from that war and the battle against our greatest enemy, Osama bin Laden and the terrorists." -- John Kerry 9/20/04 Reality Check "I was just back in my office banging my head on the jukebox. This is my candidate, and...I don't know what he's talking about." -- Don Imus, 9/16/04, after an interview with John Kerry that extensively covered his "position" on the war Flip "If you don't believe ... Saddam Hussein is a threat with nuclear weapons, then you shouldn't vote for me." -- John Kerry, USA Today on 2/13/03 Flop "If you think I would have gone to war the way George Bush did, don't vote for me." -- John Kerry, Jan 2004 Reality Check "When it was popular to be a Massachusetts liberal, his voting record was that. When it was popular to be for the Iraq war, he was for it. Now it's popular to be against it, and he's against it." -- Jay Carson, a Dean campaign spokesman Flip "I would disagree with John McCain that it’s the actual weapons of mass destruction he may use against us, it’s what he may do in another invasion of Kuwait or in a miscalculation about the Kurds or a miscalculation about Iran or particularly Israel. Those are the things that - that I think present the greatest danger. He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat." -- John Kerry, "Face The Nation", 9/15/02 "It would be naive to the point of grave danger not to believe that, left to his own devices, Saddam Hussein will provoke, misjudge, or stumble into a future, more dangerous confrontation with the civilized world....He has supported and harbored terrorist groups, particularly radical Palestinian groups such as Abu Nidal, and he has given money to families of suicide murderers in Israel. ...We should not go to war because these things are in his past, but we should be prepared to go to war because of what they tell us about the future." -- John Kerry 10/9/02 Flop "Yet today, President Bush tells us that he would do everything all over again, the same way. How can he possibly be serious? Is he really saying that if we knew there were no imminent threat, no weapons of mass destruction, no ties to Al Qaeda, the United States should have invaded Iraq? My answer is no - because a Commander-in-Chief's first responsibility is to make a wise and responsible decision to keep America safe." -- John Kerry, 9/20/04 Reality Check "Even in this post-9/11 period, Senator Kerry doesn’t appear to understand how the world has changed. He talks about leading a "more sensitive war on terror," as though al-Qaida will be impressed with our softer side. He declared at the Democratic Convention that he will forcefully defend America after we have been attacked. My fellow Americans, we have already been attacked, and faced with an enemy who seeks the deadliest of weapons to use against us, we cannot wait for the next attack. We must do everything we can to prevent it and that includes the use of military force." -- Dick Cheney Flip "I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq - Saddam Hussein is a renegade and outlaw who turned his back on the tough conditions of his surrender put in place by the United Nations in 1991." -- John Kerry, 7/29/02 Flop "It's the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time." -- John Kerry, 9/06/04 Reality Check "Senator Kerry says, "America should go to war not when it wants to go to war but when it has to go to war." Well, Senator, the firefighters and cops who ran into those burning towers and died on September 11th didn't want to go to war. They were heroes in a war they didn't even know existed. America did not choose this war. But we have a president who chooses to win it." -- George Pataki Flip "George, I said at the time I would have preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity, but I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him." -- John Kerry, Democratic Debate, 5/3/03 Flop "Are you one of the anti-war candidates?" -- MSNBC’S Chris Matthews, 1/6/04 "I am, yes, in the sense that I don't believe the president took to us war as he should have, yes. Absolutely. Do I think this president violated his promises to America? Yes, I do, Chris. Was there a way to hold Saddam Hussein accountable? You bet there was and we should have done it right." -- John Kerry, 1/6/04 Reality Check "(John Kerry) even, at one point, declared himself as an anti-war candidate. And now he says he's pro-war candidate. At this rate, with 64 days left, he still has time to change his position four or five more times." -- Rudy Giuliani Flip "I think the judgment of a nominee who doesn't understand that having Saddam Hussein captured will make it extraordinarily difficult to be able to beat an incumbent wartime president who captured Saddam Hussein. And let me tell you why, Tim. Saddam Hussein took us to war once before. In that war, young Americans were killed. He went to war in order to take over the oil fields. It wasn't just an invasion of Kuwait. He was heading for the oil fields of Saudi Arabia. And that would have had a profound effect on the security of the United States. This is a man who has used weapons of mass destruction, unlike other people on this Earth today, not only against other people but against his own people. This is a man who tried to assassinate a former president of the United States, a man who lobbed 36 missiles into Israel in order to destabilize the Middle East, a man who is so capable of miscalculation that he even brought this war on himself. This is a man who, if he was left uncaptured, would have continued to be able to organize the Ba'athists. He would have continued to terrorize the people, just in their minds, because of 30 years of terror in Iraq." -- John Kerry on NBC's "Meet The Press, 1/11/04 Flop "The only legitimate reason (to go to war was) the weapons of mass destruction question. But after you built the international coalition, exhausted the [U.N.] inspections and you have no other choice." -- John Kerry, 9/07/04 Reality Check "The years of keeping Saddam in a box were coming to a close. The international consensus that he be kept isolated and unarmed had eroded to the point that many critics of military action had decided the time had come again to do business with Saddam, despite his near daily attacks on our pilots, and his refusal, until his last day in power, to allow the unrestricted inspection of his arsenal. Our choice wasn't between a benign status quo and the bloodshed of war. It was between war and a graver threat. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Not our critics abroad. Not our political opponents. And certainly not a disingenuous film maker who would have us believe that Saddam's Iraq was an oasis of peace when in fact it was a place of indescribable cruelty, torture chambers, mass graves and prisons that destroyed the lives of the small children held inside their walls." -- John McCain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,120 #80 September 24, 2004 QuoteSee the definition of Flip-Flop.... If what you say is true, it is still not a flip flop. Example of a flip flop is John kerry that every member of congress needs to support the troops with money and body armor. Then he turns areound and votes no. Then Kerry at a speech says: "I actually did vote for the 87 billion dollars, before I voted against it. Flip-flop: That is when your stance on a topic changes to the EXACT opposite of what it had been. There are many issue people are saying Kerry flip-flopped on that he didn't. I will give you that. Your definition doesn't have to coincide with mine. However, if you insist, I'll change Bush flip-flopped into Bush LIED TO CONGRESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OVER THE REASON FOR HIS WAR. Like he lied over the deficit Like he lied over [no] nation building Like he lied over fixing Social Security Like he lied over Veterans' Benefits Like he lied over school funding Like he lied over tax rates for small businesses Like he lied over unemployment Like he lied over the cost of his Medicare act OK?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #81 September 24, 2004 I will let you say that and think that if it makes you feel better. I won't argu that point with you, however, in his defense I would say it differently. He went to war based on evidence gathered from many different areas which seems to have been bad. You need to remember, the same person you are supporting for president right now said in 1998 that we needed to invade Iraq and remove SH.... Even though that wasn't what Pres Clinton wanted to do. Kerry said " I am far ahead of this administration, and I feel it is the right thing to do... he is a threat to this country." ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,120 #82 September 24, 2004 QuoteI will let you say that and think that if it makes you feel better. I won't argu that point with you, however, in his defense I would say it differently. He went to war based on evidence gathered from many different areas which seems to have been bad. You need to remember, the same person you are supporting for president right now said in 1998 that we needed to invade Iraq and remove SH.... Even though that wasn't what Pres Clinton wanted to do. Kerry said " I am far ahead of this administration, and I feel it is the right thing to do... he is a threat to this country." I think Kerry is rather a poor candidate. Just not so poor as Bush.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #83 September 24, 2004 Isn't there anyone else out there for you to "waste your vote" on? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,120 #84 September 24, 2004 QuoteIsn't there anyone else out there for you to "waste your vote" on? In Illinois Kerry and Obama will win by landslides. Especially Obama (D), since Keyes(R) is a complete idiot who is even turning off his own party. Former Governor Jim Thomson (R) has said he won't vote for Keyes, as have several other prominent IL Republicans. I'd be surprised if Keyes gets more than 25%.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adriandavies 0 #85 September 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteWhat do you feel about europeans in general, is so against Bush, and his foreign politics? Why do you think they are? Does it matter at all? Just wondering! Europe has a history of appeasing dictators and murderers and the U.S. has a history of going to bat for those appeasers when theire asses are against the wall, thanklessly ridding them of the dictators. When a U.S. president does this, he makes the powermongers of European politics look like a bunch of pansy cowards, and so they hate him and criticize him viciously and endlessly in order to deflect attention from their own pathetic failings. At least, that's how it seems to me. Blue skies, -Jeffrey So just remind me exactly which country set up or at least nurtured such shining examples of fairness, democracy and free government as Saddam Hussein, General Pinochet and Noriega? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #86 September 24, 2004 Quote Europe has a history of appeasing dictators and murderers and the U.S. has a history of going to bat for those appeasers when theire asses are against the wall, thanklessly ridding them of the dictators. When a U.S. president does this, he makes the powermongers of European politics look like a bunch of pansy cowards, and so they hate him and criticize him viciously and endlessly in order to deflect attention from their own pathetic failings. In which cavern did you read that ? Holy Moses, from where do you have your fine knowledges? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #87 September 26, 2004 QuoteEurope has a history of appeasing dictators and murderers and the U.S. has a history of going to bat for those appeasers when theire asses are against the wall, thanklessly ridding them of the dictators. When a U.S. president does this, he makes the powermongers of European politics look like a bunch of pansy cowards, and so they hate him and criticize him viciously and endlessly in order to deflect attention from their own pathetic failings. At least, that's how it seems to me. Dude, if you don´t want to make a fool of yourself, i recomend you to do some research before posting stuff like that. The big bad Saddm Hussein was supported by the U.S. Didn´t you know that? Please tell me that in your proofreading career you only check grammar and not the contents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vmsfreaky1 0 #88 September 27, 2004 Quoteand the U.S. has a history of going to bat for those appeasers when theire asses are against the wall, thanklessly ridding them of the dictators. Too simplistic. Also, your dead wrong. The US has a history of installing dictators as well, dont forget that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vmsfreaky1 0 #89 September 27, 2004 QuoteHe went to war based on evidence gathered from many different areas which seems to have been bad. Complete Bollocks. He went to war with whatever intel he could find to support what he was going to do ANYWAY. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
