Caddell: Dan Rather May Have Cost Kerry the Election

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I am all excited about this just got this email. anybody else heard about it.

Longtime Democratic strategist Pat Caddell said Friday that if documents aired by CBS newsman Dan Rather Wednesday night turn out to be forged, as alleged by experts, the presidential race "is over."
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If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

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Dan Rather is a joke. Very few people in the media are as biased as he is. Do some research on him and his daughter. You'll find some interesting things.

This race is over without the forged documents, let alone with them. CBS took the bait hook line and sinker. They let their network's biased political views blind them instead of making sure these documents were legitiment.

You can dump CBS into the "Do Not Trust" category along with Kerry.

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What's the frequency Kenneth!?
In 1972 the only person to have a Microsoft Word was Al Gore while he was inventing the internet.
Hopefully, this will be Dan's swansong. LOSER
What ever happened to the day when news reporters were careful to be unbiased.
I'd Rather watch another network.

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Dan Rather is a joke. Very few people in the media are as biased as he is. Do some research on him and his daughter. You'll find some interesting things.

This race is over without the forged documents, let alone with them. CBS took the bait hook line and sinker. They let their network's biased political views blind them instead of making sure these documents were legitiment.

You can dump CBS into the "Do Not Trust" category along with Kerry.

oh it gets better, this is hilarious. The way they are going to get busted only proves that liberals are not all that smart. here is the whole story.
[url 'http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/9/9/203249.shtml'] full story [url]
anybody should know that no two typwriters type the same. Doesn't anybody remember Jagged edge?

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If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

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here is the whole story.

For being the "whole story" it seems to be missing any objectivity or the other sides response. Here's some more of the "whole story"

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CBS News released a statement Thursday standing by its reporting, saying that each of the documents "was thoroughly vetted by independent experts, and we are convinced of their authenticity." The statement added that CBS reporters had verified the documents by talking to unidentified individuals who saw them "at the time they were written."

A senior CBS official, who asked not to be named, named one of the network's sources as retired Maj. Gen. Bobby Hodges, the immediate superior of the documents' alleged author, Lt. Col. Jerry Killian. He said that a CBS reporter had read the documents to Hodges over the phone and that Hodges had replied that "these are the things that Killian had expressed to me at the time."

"These documents represent what Killian not only was putting in memoranda, but was telling other people," the CBS News official said. "Journalistically, we've gone several extra miles."

The official said the network regarded Hodges's comments as "the trump card" on the question of authenticity, as he is a Republican who acknowledged that he did not want to hurt Bush. Hodges, who declined to grant an on-camera interview to CBS, could not be reached for comment.

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He said that a CBS reporter had read the documents to Hodges over the phone and that Hodges had replied that "these are the things that Killian had expressed to me at the time."

How can this possibly be considered vetting? "things expressed to me" are not "yes I've seen the memo in question, and it is authentic"... I don't know if the memo is real or not, but that is not going the extra journalistic mile by a long stretch... who are their experts that verified the autheticity? What do they say about the questions raised by other experts, i.e. the superscript?

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A senior CBS official, who asked not to be named

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who declined to grant an on-camera interview to CBS, could not be reached for comment.

These sound like concrete facts. We should believe CBS based on this ground-breaking evidence.

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Nope....I think it's entirely possible that the documents are forged and said as much in another thread.

just pointing out that newsmax was not the "whole story"

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>These sound like concrete facts.

What 'concrete facts' does anyone have that the documents are forged?

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What's the frequency Kenneth!?
In 1972 the only person to have a Microsoft Word was Al Gore while he was inventing the internet.
Hopefully, this will be Dan's swansong. LOSER
What ever happened to the day when news reporters were careful to be unbiased.
I'd Rather watch another network.

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It'll be even farther for him to fall, if these documents are forgeries, since he has SINCE been defending their legitimacy up and down, swearing they are "true." The more he insists, the farther he'l have to backtrack, and I don't think anyone can set off forward again after backtracking as far as he will have to.

Yes, he is a putz. Just like Tom Brokaw and the other dude whose name I can't remember. Peter Jennings? Talking mouthpieces for the left, and nothing more.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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If you all think back, NBC's "DATELINE" deliberately falsified tests in an "investigative report" about the dangers of gas-tank explosions in various models of pickup trucks, in the mid-'90s.

The reality did not fit their fantasy desires, and the trucks did not explode spectacularly like they had hoped, so rather than spike the story, they GOOSED THE TRUCKS WITH INCENDIARY DEVICES TO [I]MAKE[/I] THE EXPLOSIONS HAPPEN, and then "reported" on it!

They got CAUGHT.
They were DISGRACED.

And they're still on the fucking air.

Don't expect this to hurt ABC, or Dan "Anything-I-Can-Do-To-Help,-Mr.-Kerry?" Rather. He'll still be around, protected by his fellow ethically bankrupted network news brethren, and most of all, forgiven and apologized-for by them.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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>These sound like concrete facts.

What 'concrete facts' does anyone have that the documents are forged?

Well, here is superimposed image of Microsoft Word vs. the documents. They have been lined up according to the period after the '1' in the first paragraph. The 'originals' are in red, the Word version in blue.

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I should note that the difference in the 187'th' has to do with the difference between screen fonts and printer fonts; in the printed version they are aligned perfectly.

Someone else did this comparison.

Check out this quote also"
"Having plenty of documentation available from my own military records - allow me to point out that the standard appearance of "TH" is not superscript even in today's word processor age, but capitals - if this were "real" it should have been typed "187TH" something I used to hate dealing with before I learned my way around Word's autocorrect features.

And another thing while I'm on it, gettting out some of the older paperwork while previewing my post - I notice that rarely is "TH" added, I do see it in a few memoranda I have still, but it is always capitalized, or assumed.

For instance I served in the 35th Maintenance Squadron, 35th Logistics Group, 35th Fighter Wing, MIsawa, Airbase, Japan - almost every document from there is formally typed:

35 MXS, 35 LG, 35 FW, MISAWA, AB, JAPAN.

Looks fishy as hell to me considering it's a lot easier to tack on "th" in a Word Processor compared to an old gov't issue Typewriter."

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The 'originals' are in red, the Word version in blue.

Do I need my 3D glasses to read this?

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The reality did not fit their fantasy desires, and the trucks did not explode spectacularly like they had hoped, so rather than spike the story, they GOOSED THE TRUCKS WITH INCENDIARY DEVICES TO MAKE THE EXPLOSIONS HAPPEN, and then "reported" on it!

Reminds me of one of my favorite movies, "The Pentagon Wars." Ever see that? Funny as all shit. True story, too.

Forty-two

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> "The Pentagon Wars."


Great film!

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The reality did not fit their fantasy desires, and the trucks did not explode spectacularly like they had hoped, so rather than spike the story, they GOOSED THE TRUCKS WITH INCENDIARY DEVICES TO MAKE THE EXPLOSIONS HAPPEN, and then "reported" on it!

Reminds me of one of my favorite movies, "The Pentagon Wars." Ever see that? Funny as all shit. True story, too.

Anybody remember the interview of a Florida Sheriff about "assault" weapons? They shot a watermellon with a AK knockoff, and basically nothing happened. It left a hole. The sheriff then shot a watermelon with the issued 9mm pistol. The watermelon basically exploded. Guess what. By the time it hit the air, the AK caused the bursting fruit.

Anyone remeber the piece with the cinderblock, the full-auto, the intentional shooting into the dirt, and commentary about the '94 AWB?

What a fucking joke. How can anbody take these guys seriously after they are shown to BS anything that doesn't make their sensational point?

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The reality did not fit their fantasy desires, and the trucks did not explode spectacularly like they had hoped, so rather than spike the story, they GOOSED THE TRUCKS WITH INCENDIARY DEVICES TO [I]MAKE[/I] THE EXPLOSIONS HAPPEN, and then "reported" on it!

Toy class (not Kallend class) model rocket engines. It didn't explode, just made a lot of sparks and got across the notion of DANGER.

But honestly, Dateline is in a different tier than 20/20. Somewhere between the NYT (hmm, maybe bad example) and the National Inquirer. New York Post?

Eh, scratch all that bullshit. They all suck:
http://walterolson.com/articles/crashtests.html

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Anyone remember the piece with the cinderblock, the full-auto, the intentional shooting into the dirt, and commentary about the '94 AWB?

What a fucking joke. How can anbody take these guys seriously after they are shown to BS anything that doesn't make their sensational point?

I remember the cinderblock stuff but not the watermelon stuff.

At any rate, that's my point -- these people can lie and lie and lie and get caught over and over, and people still turn to them for news, because like Rush Limbaugh says, they are just happy to be told what they want to hear, and turn a deaf ear to the proper accusations of LIES. They keep tuning in. It's part and parcel of the disingenuous, truth-avoiding nature of leftists. It's all, "anything to justify my ideology" and never, "Let's pick an ideology that's justified." They want gun control to be the answer, rather than checking to see if it is. They will force the square peg through the round hole and tell you it fits perfectly.

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-Jeffrey
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Toy class (not Kallend class) model rocket engines. It didn't explode, just made a lot of sparks and got across the notion of DANGER.

Well, it's a good thing they weren't Kallend-class model rocket engines. Those things are crazy dangerous! Prolly not a good idea for them to be available to the general public -- at least, not without a police-department-issued permit, background checks and three character references. Plus fees. Did I forget to mention fees?

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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He said that a CBS reporter had read the documents to Hodges over the phone and that Hodges had replied that "these are the things that Killian had expressed to me at the time."

A guy remembers what another wrote about some soldier 30 years later after hearing it over the phone? Why?

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(NBC Dateline) They got CAUGHT.
They were DISGRACED.

And they're still on the fucking air.

I think they should be forced to apologize for this at the beginning and end of every Dateline show for the next 20 years.

edit - Consumer reports should also have to do the same for the 'roll over' claims and 'air quality in airplanes' bullshit they reported as fact.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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so... how about that memo?

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Why?

Because Kerry knows he has flip-flopped his campaigned to the point he has killed his hopes of winning.

This is a hail mary pass. They need a miracle.

Oh, funny thing about Killian...his wife said that he loved Bush and thought the world of him. She'll be on tv tonight in an interview.

Is her saying that her deceased husband loved Bush proof? Nope. But then again from looking at the Kerry campaign, proof is not needed to make accusations and attempt to bring others down.

Forty-two

[billvon 3,096]

>Well, here is superimposed image of Microsoft Word vs. the documents.

You do realize the fonts in Microsoft Word were intended to be exact copies of pre-existing typewriter fonts, right? I mean, I could figure out what font your birth certificate used, get that font (most likely a standard one) and create an exact copy of your birth certificate. That would not indicate that your birth certificate was a forgery.

I hope they have something more than the fonts are similar and they used a good typewriter!

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I hope they have something more than the fonts are similar and they used a good typewriter!

Have you read anything about the font used?
It's type set not typewriter.

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the depth of his depravity sickens me.
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