Big Bully

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QEFTSG
..means what?...

[mardigrasbob 0]

She should be happy that she is protesting in America. In pre-invasion Afghanistan or Iraq, the hairpulling would have been used to expose her neck so that her head could be cut off!

Bully!? scoff


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[diablopilot 2]

C'mon Bill. Fuck with the President of the United States, no matter WHAT party they are from, or you are with, andI think you ought to expect an ass whooping.

That's common sense.

I wouldn't tease a Bobcat with a raw steak either.

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Again, how do you know she ran? And who the hell is he anyway? Not secret service by the looks of him... I hope...

How do you know she didn't?

What, pray tell, does a Secret Service agent look like?

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This has turned into an interesting psych test. Give 30 people the same picture and ask them what they see.

Looks to me like it's turned into bullshit shouting match. That guy's an asshole! That woman is a bitch! Without video NO ONE (no one here, anyhow) has the truth and this could go on forever.

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"Like" - The modern day comma
Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

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>When did being rud become acceptable, but doing something
>about it become a crime?

When the rudeness comes from people saying something, and the "doing something about it" involves physical assault. No matter what someone says to you, if you punch them in the face as a result, you're the rude one.

No, Bill. At least not in California. 415 of the penal code and 837:

415. Any of the following persons shall be punished by imprisonment
in the county jail for a period of not more than 90 days, a fine of
not more than four hundred dollars ($400), or both such imprisonment
and fine:
(1) Any person who unlawfully fights in a public place or
challenges another person in a public place to fight.
(2) Any person who maliciously and willfully disturbs another
person by loud and unreasonable noise.
(3) Any person who uses offensive words in a public place which
are inherently likely to provoke an immediate violent reaction.

837. A private person may arrest another:
1. For a public offense committed or attempted in his presence.
2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not
in his presence.
3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable
cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.

So, a person goes into a crowd of partisans of either stripe and start calling them fuckwads. That person is committing a 415. At that point any citizen can use whatever force is necessary to detain the offender until police arrive to recieve the citizen's arrest.

The "hair pull takedown" is a standard restraining hold. I've done it lots and lots of times. Usually the arrestor also kicks the back of one of the knees while pulling downward to drive the person to the ground. It's painful, but that is why it's called a "pain compliance" hold. "Ma'am, please put your hands behind your back, and I'll stop hurting you". If somebody uses words likely to provoke an immediate, violent reaction, and you punch them and sit on them until the cops arrive, you are OK. Kicking the guy into the corner as he pisses himself is not OK.

Again, having been in the Bay Area my whole law enforcement career, I was more likely to be chopping down conservative extremists protesting at things like the Gay Pride Parade. ( I got out before it became the gay lesbian, transgender, vegan thing it is nowadays)

Civility is the answer. We all have a right to speak, we do not have a right to force others to listen to us.

P.S. the very best code site in the world is this one:

http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=california+code&page=1&offset=1&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3Dbdeaf20b459d2d74%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dcalifornia%2Bcode%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.leginfo.ca.gov%252Fcalaw.html%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPToolbarNS%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.leginfo.ca.gov%2Fcalaw.html

It's only for California, but it's very good. Everything is illegal if you look hard enough.

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C'mon Bill. Fuck with the President of the United States, no matter WHAT party they are from, or you are with, andI think you ought to expect an ass whooping.

That's common sense.

I wouldn't tease a Bobcat with a raw steak either.

But would you tug on Superman's cape?

Would you spit into the wind?

Would you pull the mask off of the Old Lone Ranger?

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One uniformed Secret Service agent complained to a colleague that "the press is having a field day" with the disruption -- and the agents quickly clamped down. Journalists were told that if they sought to approach the demonstrators, they would not be allowed to return to the event site -- even though their colleagues were free to come and go. An agent, who did not give his name, told one journalist who was blocked from returning to the speech that this was punishment for approaching the demonstrators and that there was a "different set of rules" for reporters who did not seek out the activists.

Hearsay. Prove it. I don't think that ever happened.

That is not hearsay. Unproveable, probably. But a journalist can certainly testify to what a SS agent told him were the reasons for eviction.

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Spamking - yes!

Is that some strange conservative fetish where you cover each other with Spam?

Oh, yeah, baby. And you know what else we do with it?

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

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Oh, yeah, baby. And you know what else we do with it?

Wow, from greenie to greenie...

Something special? Will have an eye on that!

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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What if she where protesting at a Kerry speech? I'd bet you're story would be drastically different.

Naw, he probably would have just said "conservative" instead.

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Two firm hands on both of her scrawny little shoulders would have been enough.

Maybe, maybe not.

Fact - Grabbing her hair worked.

Fact - She left unharmed.

Conclusion - A loud-mouthed, disruptive liberal moron got what she deserved.

FACT?? How on earth do you know any of those things for a fact? Do you need a dictionary?

And how do you know that she wasn't originally being escorted with a hand on her shoulder or her back and then tried a breakaway, forcing the guy to grab her however he could?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Botellines 0]

I think the guy was not very smart. I agree that pulling from the hair, is a very good restraining method (not in me though), but if what she wanted was a picture, she damned got it. It would have been easy enough for him to restrain her by holding her shoulders, or a hand behind her back, and she wouldn´t be in the news.
scorting someone out of a place by the hair, is quite humilliating, sort of like getting someone out by pulling an ear, i personally would have used another method.
By the way, do we know for sure that the guy was part of the security team?

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Botellines,

I have absolutely no idea. I'm just noting a possiblility, that's all.

I've made a grab after someone before while breaking up a fight and ended up with both hair and their shirt between the shoulder blades, so it IS possible.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706