Jib 0 #51 September 10, 2004 Maybe she threatened to kick him down there -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #52 September 10, 2004 He should have used a cattle prod. I bet there would be a lot less liberal monkeys trying to disrupt public events if this tactic was used. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #53 September 10, 2004 Wow, comparing John Walker shooting at American soldiers and a woman yelling at a convention. That's nearly the same thing. I surprised no one else used that analogy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #54 September 10, 2004 *** Interesting results being drawn on political and gender lines.. Political?.. Who? Where?.... In this thread? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #55 September 10, 2004 Exactly. Why I am assuming that she did wrong? Simple, she was a protestor inside a place she shouldn't have been. Guilt by association. If she hadn't been there - the incident wouldn't have happened. It looks to me that he is doing a good job of keeping her quiet and from disrupting the convention any further. 'sides She was a woman.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #56 September 10, 2004 QuoteHe should have used a cattle prod. I bet there would be a lot less liberal monkeys trying to disrupt public events if this tactic was used. NoNo. A club. A blow of a club always used to clarify difficulties in ancient times. It never failed. That's a lesson to be learned! Yeah. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #57 September 10, 2004 Wait, Turtle. Stop right there. We are both way off the mark. I'm sure she was standing there, quietly observing the speech while being completely kind, polite and civil. Then I bet this man walked by, targetted her for no apparant reason, snuck up behind her like the last American ninja, grabbed a fistful of locks and proceeded to drag her out like the asshole he is. I'm sure that's a more likely story than security removing a loud mouth, disobedient liberal moron. We should apologize immediately. Want me to draft the public apology letter? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #58 September 10, 2004 Clubs should be reserved for use on baby seals to clear them out of the way of new oil wells in Alaska. BTW...I'm wearing my new tshirt today that I got from T-Shirt Hell. "THIS SHIRT HAS BEEN TESTED ON ANIMALS" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #59 September 10, 2004 boys are stupid. edit: 'cept PhillyKev. Bwahahaha! Funny shirt... oh, and FLAMES! I have FLAMES! Pretty fire... you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #60 September 10, 2004 Interesting how you use the term "liberal" in your justification of physical force. What if she where protesting at a Kerry speech? I'd bet you're story would be drastically different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #61 September 10, 2004 QuoteI'd bet you're story would be drastically different. Well you'll just have to see when that sort of incident occurs. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #62 September 10, 2004 OK. I declare myself a conservative. PhillyKev, I'll protest Bush, you pull. Now I'm just being silly. Ah well, it's Friday. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #63 September 10, 2004 QuoteClubs should be reserved for use on baby seals to clear them out of the way of new oil wells in Alaska. [/quote Yup. Forgot. But this season really is last time, OK? BTW...I'm wearing my new tshirt today that I got from T-Shirt Hell. "THIS SHIRT HAS BEEN TESTED ON ANIMALS" *** It's made from camel hair? Scratchy dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #64 September 10, 2004 QuoteInteresting results being drawn on political and gender lines... If someone was acting like a dumbass at the Kerry Family Labor Day Picnic, I'd have expected his security to do the same thing and supported it. I'd think it was a totally appropriate level of force. I have one set of rules for stupid, it does not depend on gender. Do you feel that they should baby the women a little? Would you have been ok with them roughing up a guy? Sorry, equality is one set of rules for everyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #65 September 10, 2004 Quote What if she where protesting at a Kerry speech? It was at a Bush' speech? Oh my, now I understand all Have to have a look again on that old monkey.. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #66 September 10, 2004 QuoteOK. I declare myself a conservative. PhillyKev, I'll protest Bush, you pull. Right after you sign this consent waiver in front of witnesses and we have it notarized Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #67 September 10, 2004 QuoteQuoteInteresting results being drawn on political and gender lines... If someone was acting like a dumbass at the Kerry Family Labor Day Picnic, I'd have expected his security to do the same thing and supported it. I'd think it was a totally appropriate level of force. I have one set of rules for stupid, it does not depend on gender. Do you feel that they should baby the women a little? Would you have been ok with them roughing up a guy? Sorry, equality is one set of rules for everyone. Dude, absolutely not. I'm just saying that you don't see many guys pulling each other's hair, and that I think there were more appropriate and effective restraint and eviction methods. Shove her, pin her arms, zip-tie her, whatever. It's the hair pulling that's pissing me off. And I don't give a crap who she's protesting - either side, I'd have felt the same. I was just commenting on other's politicalizationation of the situation. Wait, was that a word? you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #68 September 10, 2004 Quotethere were more appropriate and effective restraint and eviction methods. Looks like that worked effectively to me. I can tell you from over 15 years of grappling/submission fighting experience, one of the best ways to control a person is by his/her hair. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #69 September 10, 2004 So, objectively, and in your experience, that looks like he was effectively controlling a person who was actively resisting? Not challenging, I honestly want to know. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #70 September 10, 2004 QuoteShove her, pin her arms, zip-tie her, whatever. It's the hair pulling that's pissing me off. Guys aren't on tv pulling each others hair for two reasons. One, long hair is mostly out of fashion. Two, QEFTSG has no violent scenes between hair dressers. Shoving her onto a concrete floor and pinning her arms would be painful, whether she struggled or not. If she quit struggling, the hair restraint would not hurt, agreed? If the goal is to not cause the subject needless pain, wouldn't you agree that hair restraint was the most humane? If the discussion is about some personal psychological aversion that you have to hair-pulling, consider it noted. Note to self - "no hair-pulling, ok with zip-ties" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #71 September 10, 2004 Since she is pancaked right next to another person (looks like another protester) I would have pulled her hair back until she was clear of everyone else and then wrapped one arm around her neck and pinned an arm behind her back and escorted her out. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #72 September 10, 2004 QuoteQEFTSG ..means what?... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #73 September 10, 2004 QuoteSince she is pancaked right next to another person (looks like another protester) I would have pulled her hair back until she was clear of everyone else and then wrapped one arm around her neck and pinned an arm behind her back and escorted her out. That sounds simply as fllws: I would have wrapped both of my arms by using my two hands too, around her... errr.... to help her to get out easily. Guys, sucking little pigs.. Don not teach me to read your mind! (Not personally adressed to someone specific) dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #74 September 10, 2004 QuoteQuoteQEFTSG ..means what?... A US tv show called Queer Eye For The Straight Guy. Basic theme - Five gay guys come into the life of a straight guy and teach him about fashion, house decorating, body hygiene, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #75 September 10, 2004 Hee hee! Sigh. Each situation is different. I do agree with you though. If she doesn't struggle, and if he doesn't pull, hair restraint is effective. OK, it's Friday. I'm outta here. It was fun y'all!! Have a great weekend!! you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
