Big Bully

[Rebecca 0]

Dude, that is not cool

Look at this jackass. I'd have punched him in the nose.

Big bullying man tryin' to keep a sister down - grr.

There's probably some controversial issue about him being a Bush supporter and her being a harmless little peaceful protester, but I'll let the rest of you take care of that, if you like.

Just out of curiosity, not being litigious, but could she sue him?

you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk?

[beowulf 1]

hmm I can't believe that no one would have stepped in and given that guy at least an ass chewin if not an ass kickin

[sabr190 0]

In Texas that would be considered battery, I think

"The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one" - rehmwa

[diablopilot 2]

Do you know the full situation?


Maybe he's law enforcement, and she's trespassing, refusing to obey the orders of a peace officer, and resisting arrest. If that were it, I'd say she's getting off easy.


When did being rude become acceptable, but doing something about it become a crime?

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You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

[billvon 3,131]

>When did being rud become acceptable, but doing something
>about it become a crime?

When the rudeness comes from people saying something, and the "doing something about it" involves physical assault. No matter what someone says to you, if you punch them in the face as a result, you're the rude one.

[turtlespeed 226]

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Dude, that is not cool

Look at this jackass. I'd have punched him in the nose.

Big bullying man tryin' to keep a sister down - grr.

There's probably some controversial issue about him being a Bush supporter and her being a harmless little peaceful protester, but I'll let the rest of you take care of that, if you like.

Just out of curiosity, not being litigious, but could she sue him?

So without a report that explains the circumstances - there is no way to know.

The way I see it is she was probably in the wrong place, knew she was in the wrong place, and was avoiding being removed from there. If she was in the wrong place, and she knew it - TFB for her - she knew the risks.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rehmwa 2]

Look at that picture. Obviously that loud pushy fit woman just pushed that elderly grandfather out of the way to get to the front of the line.

Poor guys hand even got caught in her hair. I hope it doesn't totally hurt from his arthritis and lack of public health care.

What you don't see is she's only 5 feet tall but is acually standing on the head of his 3 year old granddaughter.

I'm not litigious here, but how could he sue her for age discrimination?

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[diablopilot 2]

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When the rudeness comes from people saying something, and the "doing something about it" involves physical assault. No matter what someone says to you, if you punch them in the face as a result, you're the rude one.

Too true. However nothing in the picture sugests that was the case to me.

As stated above, there is no story told that shows anything about being a bully.

There is an underlying problem in society today. Rudeness is accepted.

Example. Remember the post about the kids taunting an overweight nerdy type at school? One kid threw a burrito which hit the overweight kid in the chest. The overweight kid proceded to punch the burrito thrower in the nose just once. Knocked his ass out, and broke his nose/eye socket. Guess who got the law zicked on em?

I do not abide by rudeness. I will NEVER go to the extent of being the one to start physical violence, but I will also never let rudeness go unchecked. I encourage everyone to do the same as it only gets worse unless you do something about it.

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You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

[billvon 3,131]

>However nothing in the picture sugests that was the case to me.

Agreed. She may have swung at him first, in which case his going after her in that manner _may_ have been justified. Hard to say without a story attached.

>but I will also never let rudeness go unchecked.

I find the best way to deal with that is to walk away. If an obnoxious guy realizes that everyone's avoiding him, that's going to have more of an effect than having a shouting match with another angry guy.

[JohnRich 4]

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Look at this jackass. I'd have punched him in the nose.
Big bullying man tryin' to keep a sister down - grr.

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"At the start of Bush's speech, two hecklers were dragged from the audience and jeered by the mostly pro-Bush crowd."

News Story

Maybe the "sister" was the one being a jackass by interrupting a presidential speech.

We also don't know how hard he was pulling on her hair - it might have just been gentle coaxing to get her to go with security.

[Rebecca 0]

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We also don't know how hard he was pulling on her hair - it might have just been gentle coaxing to get her to go with security.

Dude, look at her face. Does that look gentle to you?

I'll agree that until the full story is known, it's hard to tell who did what & why.

But, she's being pushed and pulled by a much bigger person. She might have heckled, but does that mean this sort of physical contact is OK? He's already pushing her - presumably away, since they're both facing the same direction - what could have justified the additional hair pulling?

you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk?

[turtlespeed 226]

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We also don't know how hard he was pulling on her hair - it might have just been gentle coaxing to get her to go with security.

Dude, look at her face. Does that look gentle to you?

I'll agree that until the full story is known, it's hard to tell who did what & why.

But, she's being pushed and pulled by a much bigger person. She might have heckled, but does that mean this sort of physical contact is OK? He's already pushing her - presumably away, since they're both facing the same direction - what could have justified the additional hair pulling?

Again - she knew the risks.

The picture looks to me like she was making a fast break, he is yelling "Hey",and she is probably still yelling whatever her heckle was while trying to get away from him (Security). (Assuming)She knew she wasn't supposed to be there. If that was all he had to grab onto within his reach as she bolted - guess she should have worn her hair up. She knew what the risks were.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[happythoughts 0]

He's saying, "Yeah, this is how your little sister likes it, Biotch!"

Start some shit, get asked to leave, refuse to leave and continue to be obnoxious.
This moves your name to the top of the a$$-whipping list.

Simple progression, beyond the age of 18 months, everybody understands that in advance.
Go anywhere - restaurant, bar, concert, hotel lobby - do that stuff and that is what happens to you.

[Rebecca 0]

I'm not defending her. She's a protester and must have expected physical resistance. You're absolutely right on that count.

What I'm saying is that yanking her hair hard enough to pull her head back as she's being pushed out of the auditorium was a low, mean thing to do, just because he felt like expressing his rage towards someone with opposing beliefs who dared invade that space and because he felt justified. He's a bully.

The girl next to her is being ushered out, with a hand at her back, and her scalp intact, the polite way.

I'm just sayin'.

you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk?

[PhillyKev 0]

The really bullies are the secret service who then detained them.

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Officially, the Secret Service does not concern itself with unarmed, peaceful demonstrators who pose no danger to the commander in chief. But that policy was inoperative here Thursday when seven AIDS activists who heckled President Bush during a campaign appearance were shoved and pulled from the room -- some by their hair, one by her bra straps -- and then arrested for disorderly conduct and detained for an hour.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9703-2004Sep9.html

[Rebecca 0]

See?

Thank you, Kev

f'in' bullyin' bastards.

you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk?

[skycop 0]

Ah......
Screw her, they should have smacked her with a PR-24, then OC'd her, then tazed her!!! Then she'll learn.............just kidding....................

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[billvon 3,131]

>Officially, the Secret Service does not concern itself with unarmed,
>peaceful demonstrators who pose no danger to the commander in chief.

Well, but she was a liberal! And like Ann Coulter says, you have to physically intimidate liberals; otherwise they will all turn out to be traitors.

[turtlespeed 226]

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I'm not defending her. She's a protester and must have expected physical resistance. You're absolutely right on that count.

What I'm saying is that yanking her hair hard enough to pull her head back as she's being pushed out of the auditorium was a low, mean thing to do, just because he felt like expressing his rage towards someone with opposing beliefs who dared invade that space and because he felt justified. He's a bully.

The girl next to her is being ushered out, with a hand at her back, and her scalp intact, the polite way.

I'm just sayin'.

I need to be shown the video of that. The scene looks different to me - It look slike she tried to shrug him of and get away from him. You are assuming he is malicious - I pose that he is just doing his job and she was trying to get away.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[miked10270 0]

I'll caption that pic...

"Balding man with inadequate healthcare insurance makes desperate bit to obtain natural hair for transplant"

This is all the fault of Bush and his "get outs" for US Healthcare insurers!!!!!!!!!

It's a sad thing when 2 anti bush demonstrators come to this.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[billvon 3,131]

The next paragraph of the story is even more interesting to me:

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One uniformed Secret Service agent complained to a colleague that "the press is having a field day" with the disruption -- and the agents quickly clamped down. Journalists were told that if they sought to approach the demonstrators, they would not be allowed to return to the event site -- even though their colleagues were free to come and go. An agent, who did not give his name, told one journalist who was blocked from returning to the speech that this was punishment for approaching the demonstrators and that there was a "different set of rules" for reporters who did not seek out the activists.
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So the Secret Service is determining what news can be reported on, and who can report it. Things would be so much easier if we had a state-run media under control of the president, eh?

[JohnRich 4]

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We also don't know how hard he was pulling on her hair - it might have just been gentle coaxing to get her to go with security.

Dude, look at her face. Does that look gentle to you?

You seem to be presuming that she's yelling in pain at having her hair pulled. Actually, given the news story, she's probably yelling at Pres. Bush as a heckler, trying to get her protest out before she is removed from the room. I think that is the explanation for her facial expression.

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she's being pushed and pulled by a much bigger person.

Yeah, that tends to be the case when you're a woman, heckling a President, and security comes to get you. The size differential alone does not indicate that unwarranted abuse is occuring.

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She might have heckled, but does that mean this sort of physical contact is OK? He's already pushing her - presumably away, since they're both facing the same direction - what could have justified the additional hair pulling?

Someone had to touch her to guide her out of the room. If she resisted, pushing would be involved. As for the hair-pulling, I don't know - we don't have enough info to judge that. I'd like to see video of the whole incident. The hair doesn't seem to be pulled so tight that it should have involved pain. It just seems to be pulled as a way to encourage her to comply and depart. I admit it's not a very good tactic. Grabbing by the shoulders would have been more appropriate. But from this one picture, I'm not ready to conclude that this was excessive force.

[turtlespeed 226]

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The next paragraph of the story is even more interesting to me:

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One uniformed Secret Service agent complained to a colleague that "the press is having a field day" with the disruption -- and the agents quickly clamped down. Journalists were told that if they sought to approach the demonstrators, they would not be allowed to return to the event site -- even though their colleagues were free to come and go. An agent, who did not give his name, told one journalist who was blocked from returning to the speech that this was punishment for approaching the demonstrators and that there was a "different set of rules" for reporters who did not seek out the activists.
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So the Secret Service is determining what news can be reported on, and who can report it. Things would be so much easier if we had a state-run media under control of the president, eh?

Hearsay. Prove it. I don't think that ever happened.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,131]

>Hearsay. Prove it. I don't think that ever happened.

That's fine. Believe whatever you want. None of the allegations of the SBVFT can be proven either, yet lots of conservatives are desperate to believe them.

[miked10270 0]

"Hearsay. Prove it. I don't think that ever happened."

Just like thr Rodney King Incident, If you run the video in slo-mo it is in fact seen to be a gentle coax.

AND...

If you run the video backwards you can clearly see the alleged assailant helping that young girl forwards.

I should'a' been a lawyer (but unfortunately I have human genes).

Mike.

PS: BTW Speedy, I think BeckyBoo may be planning to take you up on your "Bite Me" offer... But you may not like the where and how hard!!!

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Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.