TheAnvil 0 #51 September 9, 2004 The media, of course, would never be able to follow such logic... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #52 September 9, 2004 QuoteWhy not? Do you have something to HIDE? Probably not. It's just none of my business. My guess is that Kerry feels the same way. I think a different standard is applied to random internet-posting skydivers than the one that is applied to Presidential candidates.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #53 September 9, 2004 QuoteThe media, of course, would never be able to follow such logic... Sure they would, if it were Bush holding back service records. It would be a top story every single day. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #54 September 9, 2004 QuoteSimple question: Why won't Kerry sign the form releasing all his military records? He didn't??? Got a link? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #55 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuotebecause he doesnt have to... And since it would be a political plus for him to release those records, it stands to reason that he has something to hide in not doing so. assumption. got any evidence?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #56 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuotebecause he doesnt have to... And since it would be a political plus for him to release those records, it stands to reason that he has something to hide in not doing so. assumption. got any evidence? No evidence, but let me say it again: "it stands to reason". That's enough for me. Do you disagree that it stands to reason that Kerry is withholding those records because he has something to hide? It would be a HUGE plus for him to follow suit with Bush and release them, so why not? After all, he's the one that based his campaign on that record. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #57 September 9, 2004 ah. so when your pulled over and you decline to be searched, you must have something to hide because simply allowing the search would be a HUGE plus to you in proving your innocence and getting you on your way in a timely manner.. so much for probable cause, and reason for that matter... he doenst have to, the law does not require it and that is all the reason he needs... everything else is pure conjecture and so completely worthless without substance to back it. People should really stop using the word 'logic' when they dont understand its requirements..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #58 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe media, of course, would never be able to follow such logic... Sure they would, if it were Bush holding back service records. It would be a top story every single day. Why? No one seems to care that he won't release records on how the energy policy was formed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #59 September 9, 2004 Quotethe leftists*** I'd love to get a definition of this term. Rather than a definition, how about a couple examples...Democrats & Republicans, Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #60 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe media, of course, would never be able to follow such logic... Sure they would, if it were Bush holding back service records. It would be a top story every single day. Bush said he's released all of his service records months ago. Then some more were released just yesterday under a FOI request. Why has Bush sealed his records as Governor of TX Why has Bush(43) sealed Bush(41)'s records as President and as Vice President? What has he got to hide?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #61 September 9, 2004 All good questions, but not the question that the thread is about... JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #62 September 9, 2004 QuoteWhat has he got to hide? Yes, Kallend what does Kerry have to hide? You don't know or care but there has to be something... It seems that only Bush has any obligation to disclose anything and when he does you scream he didn't do enough. Perhaps, you should apply logic to the situation instead of blind arrogance and make remotely consistent arguments. That is the failure to disclose complete information, let alone any, means that Kerry is a LIAR and asshat! -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #63 September 9, 2004 Quoteso when your pulled over and you decline to be searched, you must have something to hide because simply allowing the search would be a HUGE plus to you in proving your innocence and getting you on your way in a timely manner.. Bad analogy -- succumbing to a cop intent on searching you and influencing public opinion in order to get yourself elected are two entirely different things. Politicians naturally do what it takes to get themselves elected. Therefore, logically speaking , if Kerry thought he would have something to gain by releasing his records, he would do it, because it would help his efforts to get elected. This is what politicians do. Since he isn't releasing records, one can safely conclude that doing so would HURT his efforts to get elected. Maintaining his "right" not to release the records is not a factor here, or if it is, the guy is a moron. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #64 September 9, 2004 Are you truly incapable of discussing anything other than Bush? THis is a thread about Kerry. I know. I started it. Since you can't seem to comprehend anything not involving Bush, try this one out: Kerry and his campaign demanded that Bush release all records relating to his service. Bush signed the form doing so. Therefore, anyone who cares should be able to get the records from the DOD. Everyone not supporting Kerry is now demanding Kerry follow suit, sign ONE SIMPLE FORM and allow the DOD to release his records as well. He hasn't. WHY NOT?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #65 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteSure they would, if it were Bush holding back service records. It would be a top story every single day. Bush said he's released all of his service records months ago. Then some more were released just yesterday under a FOI request. Really, someone hit Bush with a FOIA request, or they went to the DOD? Are you not understanding the difference between the two entities? One is a man campaigning for office. The other is a behemoth bureaucracy. Try to distiguish them. BUSH SIGNED THE PAPER ALLOWING DOD TO RELEASE HIS RECORDS. HE DID THIS PARTLY AT THE URGING OF THE KERRY CAMPAIGN. WHY HASN"T KERRY DONE THE SAME?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #66 September 9, 2004 >BUSH SIGNED THE PAPER ALLOWING DOD TO RELEASE HIS RECORDS. He said he released all his records. That turned out to be a lie; when they released the latest round of records, the White House produced _their_ copies of the same records. It's clear what they were trying to hide. The interesting question is - what else are they hiding? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #67 September 9, 2004 The question of the thread is why is Kerry not releasing his... can anyone offer an answer, even speculation, without bringing up Bush? What is Kerry hidding? Maybe nothing, but his refusal to release them makes it appear that he is... JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #68 September 9, 2004 If you don't believe Bush, just FOIA the DoD. It worked for them. If you don't believe Kerry, well then fuck you very much, that's tough shit, because he won't sign it.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #69 September 9, 2004 > If you don't believe Bush, just FOIA the DoD. It worked for them. Yep. And after a long battle, they got him to release documents he had hidden, ones that showed he had disobeyed a direct order. Imagine him wanting to hide that during an election year! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #70 September 9, 2004 Are they still flipping this thread around and ranting about Bush? Geesh. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #71 September 9, 2004 Quote if Kerry thought he would have something to gain by releasing his records, he would do it, because it would help his efforts to get elected. This is what politicians do. Since he isn't releasing records, one can safely conclude that doing so would HURT his efforts to get elected. Maintaining his "right" not to release the records is not a factor here, or if it is, the guy is a moron. since you do not know the man's mind, that is in no way a 'safe' conclusion. It is an ignorant assumption based on your political view without any evidence to support it.. there is that logic thing again.....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #72 September 10, 2004 QuoteWhat I said was that there is probably something in the records he does not feel in nessasary for everyone to know about. Those who -choose- to move into glass houses better make sure their underwear are clean.... ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #73 September 10, 2004 Quotesince you do not know the man's mind, that is in no way a 'safe' conclusion. It is an ignorant assumption based on your political view without any evidence to support it.. there is that logic thing again..... Actually, it is far from it. There's no privilege against self-incrimination in the real world and if you assert it in a civil case (in Fla), there is a presumption that it would be negative. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #74 September 10, 2004 QuoteThere's no privilege against self-incrimination in the real world There absolutely is. It is not self-incriminating to decline a voluntary act. You do not HAVE to do anything that is NOT legally required. Anything not specifically illegal is legal, and doing so or not doing so is solely your choice, for any reason you wish from “the sky is blue today” to ‘I don’t feel like it’. Of course if you happen to be on the opposite political fence you’ll come up with all sorts of innuendo and baseless ‘reasoning’ why or why not someone makes the decisions they do.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #75 September 10, 2004 QuoteQuoteThere's no privilege against self-incrimination in the real world There absolutely is. Sorry, but absent the 5th Amendment regarding a criminal act, there's not. Legal or not is irrelevant. People presuming you have something to hide is the basis for most of the bullshit we hear about Bush's records. There, I gave you guys an argument. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
