kallend 2,146 #26 September 9, 2004 QuoteFor the last fucking time. Bush signed the form. If the DOD didn't know where to find them all, then (A) I'm not surprised, it is a monstrous bureaucracy, and (B) it's not Bush's fault. You act like Bush has had them the whole time and just hasn't put them out there. Why don't you get your story right, or at least get it straight, then try posting something, anything, other than BUSH LIED. So, kallend, direct question to you: Why hasn't Kerry signed the form to allow the release of all his records? How should I know? Do you think I'm Kerry's agent or something? From today's Chicago Tribune (which endorsed Bush in 2000 so don't dismiss it as "liberal"). "Meanwhile, the White House and the Bush campaign also downplayed questions raised by The Boston Globe on Wednesday that said the president fell short of commitments outlined in his agreement with the Air National Guard. The newspaper, citing 30-year-old documents released by the Pentagon this week, reported that Bush failed to register with a Massachusetts Guard unit upon his entry into Harvard Business School in 1973. In his race against Al Gore four years ago, a spokesman told the Globe that Bush completed his obligation with a Boston-area unit, an assertion the spokesman, White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett, acknowledged to the Globe was incorrect." in other words, the White House acknowledges Bush lied in 2000 "But when asked Wednesday during a briefing with reporters, White House press secretary Scott McClellan declined to directly answer questions about whether the president served in Boston, declaring, "If the president had not fulfilled his commitment, he would not have been honorably discharged." in other words, waffle "The military records were obtained under a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by The Associated Press even though Bush and the Pentagon insisted for months that the records did not exist. " in other words, Bush lied "The documents showed that while Bush said he was in Alabama training with a Guard unit in 1972, his home unit in Texas was defending skies over the Southern U.S. by keeping two jet fighters poised for launch within five minutes' notice. "When his unit was placed on a 24-hour alert mission to protect our country from surprise attack, why did George Bush not report for duty?" McAuliffe asked in a conference call with reporters."... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #27 September 9, 2004 QuoteI'm sorry, but I think it was GWB that didn't release his military records first way back in the 2000 election. If you want to accuse somebody of using this tactic . . . look in the mirror. Bzzzt - Why didn't you answer the original question?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #28 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuote Bush has released every single document relating to his service. This is simply incorrect. While they may have made an eventual -attempt- at releasing -some-, records were just recently discovered. To say that the GWB group released "every single document" is simply incorrect -- they didn't find a lot of records and more -did- exist. Who knows how many more exist that no one has found yet? Bzzzzt Still avoiding the original question. QuoteSimple question: Why won't Kerry sign the form releasing all his military records?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #29 September 9, 2004 Quoteblind ignorance and meaningless diversions, the wheels on the chair of all conservatives... BZZZT Still no answer - gheese - you'd think that as well as they knew their candidate - they could answer a simple question - or would that be damaging?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #30 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuote Mirrirs and spotlights Never metaphor you didn't like? BTW, it's "Smoke and Mirrors." If you're going to use a metaphor . . . try using the right one. Anyway, I'm not coming to anyone's defense here, simply stating facts. You might try that sometime. BZZZZZZT Still no answer to the original question.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #31 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuote Why won't Kerry sign the form releasing all his military records? Why don't you ask -him-? What are we, mind readers? Oh wait, no we must be magicians with all the Smoke and Mirrors. Bzzzt Almost answered it. But still avoiding. Hell - I'll even go for mild speculation at this point.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #32 September 9, 2004 You are being ridiculous. Quade has no more way of knowing why Kerry does or does not do anything than you have of knowing why Bush lies so much.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #33 September 9, 2004 QuoteOh, I gotta lotta snide comments I could make, but I'll refrain. I already used up my quota on Tuna. Anyway, my -guess- is that there is something he doesn't want everyone to know about. Ok, there I said it. Wanna gimme a cookie? But -what-? WHAT could he possibly not want to be released? Ooooooohhhh, if I was a conspiracy theory wacko, it'd be something really "good" like he was found guilty of cowardice or something, but that's just silly. Certainly something as "bad" as that would have gotten out over the course of his years and years of public service and attacks by people pissed off about things he said -after- he was out of the service. So what does that leave? My further guess -- medical records about his injuries. I'm NOT saying he didn't receive woulds in battle because those record have already been released, but if you look at them closely, you'll see he took shrapnel in his backside. I don't know about you but I wouldn't want my -butt- all over the pages of USAToday. Ah ha! Ding ding ding ding! We have an answer (but DAMN there was some contempt about it). So in retort - More than likely, there are some counseling sessions, and or repremands for one thing or another. Nothing earth-shattering - but damaging, none-the-less. Shouldn't the records be public though, Paul. SHOULD, in your opinion, they be released?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #34 September 9, 2004 Don't you find it tedious? Seriously. If you'd read the entire thread before spouting off line by line to (almost) every post somebody makes, I think you'd save yourself a lot of time.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #35 September 9, 2004 My point was made. I did read the post - It was interesting to me what it actually takes to get a kerry supporter to admit that there might be somthing amiss in their candidate. eddited to say that: I know Bush is lacking in several departments - I still support him because he has the right ideas.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #36 September 9, 2004 actually it was answered several times... reading issues again?? because he doesnt have to... for any other reason you'd have to go ask Kerry, i dont know him, i'm not going to speak for him... you might as well ask the forum why i'm not wearing socks today.. they'd have about as much information to answer that one for me... you'd think with all the time you spend here you'd have sorted out who was supporting who... but i suppose in the bipolar world you live in everyone who doenst support Bush must support Kerry..... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #37 September 9, 2004 Quote It was interesting to me what it actually takes to get a kerry supporter to admit that there might be somthing amiss in their candidate. I didn't say that there was something "amiss" with the candidate. What I said was that there is probably something in the records he does not feel in nessasary for everyone to know about. Aren't there parts of your life you'd rather not -everyone- on the planet know about? They don't have to be high crimes or anything, just something simple. Lemme ask you . . . can I see the results of the last pee test you took? How about your last HIVs test? Why not? Do you have something to HIDE? Probably not. It's just none of my business. My guess is that Kerry feels the same way.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #38 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuote It was interesting to me what it actually takes to get a kerry supporter to admit that there might be somthing amiss in their candidate. I didn't say that there was something "amiss" with the candidate. What I said was that there is probably something in the records he does not feel in nessasary for everyone to know about. Aren't there parts of your life you'd rather not -everyone- on the planet know about? They don't have to be high crimes or anything, just something simple. Lemme ask you . . . can I see the results of the last pee test you took? How about your last HIVs test? Why not? Do you have something to HIDE? Probably not. It's just none of my business. My guess is that Kerry feels the same way. Sure - whats your address, I'll have them sent over to you. No, I have NOTHING to hide. If I DID, though, I would have a problem sending them. So, I guess the question is a bit more involved. By your assumptions, and a bit of logic, there is a new question formed. What information is Kerry trying to hide that is potentially damaging to his candidacy?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #39 September 9, 2004 QuoteLemme ask you . . . can I see the results of the last pee test you took? How about your last HIVs test? If I were running for President, I would expect to be asked to release these, and in at least the case of the Piss test, would expect to release it... It is the highest office in the land, and the vetting is invasive... In Kerry's case, he put forward his service in Vietnam as a credential or basis of qualification to be President... with that, he should be expected to release, or allow to be released his records in their entirety... regardless of what is in them... He should not be worried about showing his ass, he has been doing that in the Senate for the last 20 years. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #40 September 9, 2004 QuoteBigger government with more federal controls, payed for (for a while) with higher taxes. Leftist think that the government knows what is best for the people because they (the people) are not as smart that them (leftist). They know how to spend my money better than me. I didn't know GWB was a leftist, but that description fits him perfectly. Highest gov't spending increases in history, largest cabinet created in history, does what he thinks is best (you call it conviction I think) regardless of what the people think. Yep, he's a leftist all right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #41 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteBigger government with more federal controls, payed for (for a while) with higher taxes. Leftist think that the government knows what is best for the people because they (the people) are not as smart that them (leftist). They know how to spend my money better than me. I didn't know GWB was a leftist, but that description fits him perfectly. Highest gov't spending increases in history, largest cabinet created in history, does what he thinks is best (you call it conviction I think) regardless of what the people think. Yep, he's a leftist all right. You forgot the "more controls" (TSA, Homeland security) bit.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #42 September 9, 2004 >What information is Kerry trying to hide that is potentially damaging to his candidacy? Or "What information is Kerry trying to hide that is potentially damaging to his privacy? " You know bad it would look if it turns up he caught a VD on tour? Its not damaging at all to his canididicy, but thats clearly not something that I'd run around telling everyone about. I'm willing to bet a fair number of people on this site have had a VD at some point... but none of them are rushing to tell everyone else about it. There is privilaged medical information that all patients should have the right to keep private. Thats why the Doctor/Patient privilage exists... to keep information private between trusted parties.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #43 September 9, 2004 QuoteThere is privilaged medical information that all patients should have the right to keep private. Thats why the Doctor/Patient privilage exists... to keep information private between trusted parties. He is running for President of the United States... not head of the Moose Lodge... He is claiming that his service in some way qualifies him to be President, he has made his service record an issue... JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #44 September 9, 2004 Quote>What information is Kerry trying to hide that is potentially damaging to his candidacy? Or "What information is Kerry trying to hide that is potentially damaging to his privacy? " You know bad it would look if it turns up he caught a VD on tour? Its not damaging at all to his canididicy, but thats clearly not something that I'd run around telling everyone about. I'm willing to bet a fair number of people on this site have had a VD at some point... but none of them are rushing to tell everyone else about it. There is privilaged medical information that all patients should have the right to keep private. Thats why the Doctor/Patient privilage exists... to keep information private between trusted parties. Never once have I asked for his medical records. I have not seen them asked for. Your assumptions are unfounded. He touts his military record as a merit that he should be elected on. Shouldn't that be put under scrutiny? Shouldn't we be able to see what it is that he is holding on-high? Shouldn't we be able to judge for ourselves what it is that he says is so good about himself? Surely you would not buy a car under the premise that the owner has maintenenced the car correctly without documentation and receipts.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #45 September 9, 2004 Quoteis claiming that his service in some way qualifies him to be President, he has made his service record an issue... No, he made the fact that he served an issue. Bush is trying to make his service record an issue. The fact that Kerry served is not in dispute. Bush on the other hand... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #46 September 9, 2004 Not that the question has anthing to do with Bush... They both served, and were both Honorably Discharged... One went to Vietnam, one didn't... One is running on his service record, one is not... One provided aid and comfort to the Enemy, one didn't (but that's another thread)... Let me ask you this... how does one claim one served without having a record to back up ones claims... service and service records go hand in hand... JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #47 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteBigger government with more federal controls, payed for (for a while) with higher taxes. Leftist think that the government knows what is best for the people because they (the people) are not as smart that them (leftist). They know how to spend my money better than me. I didn't know GWB was a leftist, but that description fits him perfectly. Highest gov't spending increases in history, largest cabinet created in history, does what he thinks is best (you call it conviction I think) regardless of what the people think. Yep, he's a leftist all right. Can't argue about some of this post. He has increased the government size. He needs to find his veto pen."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #48 September 9, 2004 QuoteJohn Kerry's mood around the office is sometimes atrocious. Often he comes in, walks right to his desk, and doesn't say hello to ANYONE! Moral is slipping. Is this shit supposed to be humorous? Or, is it some sort of statement about how dumb we all are talking politics? Whatever the intent, it really just turns out to be an annoying, spamlike waste of time scrolling past it. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #49 September 9, 2004 Service records.. sure release them. I don't know why he's not. But medical records should remain sealed.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #50 September 9, 2004 Quotebecause he doesnt have to... And since it would be a political plus for him to release those records, it stands to reason that he has something to hide in not doing so. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
