PhillyKev 0 #1 September 8, 2004 I love when the claim is made that Kerry only follows polls but Bush is different. Bush Now Would Give Intelligence Chief More Power QuoteUnder election-year pressure, President Bush said on Wednesday he supported giving "full budgetary authority" to a new national intelligence director after initially balking at the recommendation of the Sept. 11 commission. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #2 September 8, 2004 Yesterday in a Speach Kerry said the "W" in GWB stood for "Wrong" I say the "F" in JFK stands for Flip Flop. Now you will say W flip flops... I would not say that. THere is Flip flopping.... Example: "I actually voted for the 87billion before I voted aginst it" JFK In 1998 Telling Clinton Iraq was a clear and present danger and that ground troops were needed there. This after he voted against the first gulf war. THen he voted for this war, but later says he is the "Anti-War" canidate. One question for Kerry since he hasn't given his stance yet. Kerry, Where do you stand on Iraq? Not where DID you stand, but where do you stand? If elected what will you do in regards to Iraq? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #3 September 8, 2004 QuoteOne question for Kerry since he hasn't given his stance yet. Yes he has. Winning The Peace In Iraq Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #4 September 8, 2004 Can you check to make sure you copied the link correctly? I can't get the page to open. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #5 September 8, 2004 Yep, works fine. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_security/iraq.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #6 September 8, 2004 QuoteI love when the claim is made that Kerry only follows polls but Bush is different. Bush Now Would Give Intelligence Chief More Power QuoteUnder election-year pressure, President Bush said on Wednesday he supported giving "full budgetary authority" to a new national intelligence director after initially balking at the recommendation of the Sept. 11 commission. I meant this one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jazzjumper 0 #7 September 8, 2004 QuoteYes he has. Winning The Peace In Iraq QuotePersuade NATO to Make the Security of Iraq one of its Global Missions Hmmm, how would you persuade those members of NATO who refused to take part in the first mission...to enforce the 14 UN Resolutions and take the REAL burdeon of sacrifice in order to make it happen? QuoteInternationalize the Non-Iraqi Reconstruction Personnel in Iraq Uh, the current administration is doing that. Of course, France and Germany have both refused to forgive debt (the easiest way to help Iraq right now.) QuoteLaunch a Massive and Accelerated Training Effort to Build Iraqi Security Forces So how would that be different from what our forces are already doing right now? QuotePlan for Iraq’s Future LOL...man, we're doing that too. Everything listed that Kerry and Edward's would do, Bush and Co are already doing!!! So how is this better? Kerry's approach is laughable. Flip/flop/flip, then, yeah, I'd do what he is doing. No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #8 September 8, 2004 Ahhh...here you go. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mymod/hdln/rt/sty/*http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=3&u=/nm/20040908/pl_nm/security_intelligence_dc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #9 September 8, 2004 You didn't read the links on the bottom of that page, did you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #10 September 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteUnder election-year pressure, President Bush said on Wednesday he supported giving "full budgetary authority" to a new national intelligence director after initially balking at the recommendation of the Sept. 11 commission. So let me see if I'm understanding your point. Bush initially opposed the creation of this position. Under criticism from the left about how he never listens to anyone, he acts on the recommendation of the 9/11 Commission that this position be created and then decides that if we are going to have an Intelligence Director, that he should be given the power to do his job. This is what you are having a problem with? To do otherwise would be like Kerry being opposed to war and then refusing to fund it. Oh, wait a minute that is what he did. Wait... didn't he support the war and then refuse to fund it? Damn, I can't remember what his position was. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #11 September 8, 2004 John Kerry has been reported taking up to 17 items through the express lane. George Bush was seen taking 21 items through once! This shows their true character. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,131 #12 September 8, 2004 >This shows their true character. Not only that, but Kerry once drove straight through a light from a right turn only lane! The next day he made a right turn from THE VERY SAME LANE. How much of a flip-flopper can you be? Clearly he is completely unfit to be president. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #13 September 8, 2004 Absolutely right! I'm glad somebody understands. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #14 September 8, 2004 He opposed creation of the 9/11 commission. Then he lauded it. -- He opposed creation of this position. Then he embraced it. -- He opposed giving budgetary authority to this position. Now he proposes it. And to answer your question, I don't have a problem with it. It's called evaluating circumstances and making correct decisision after deliberation. I'm just trying to figure out how you guys can defend the above and then give an example of the same exact type of thing from Kerry and condemn it. Hell, you did it in your own post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #15 September 8, 2004 QuoteJohn Kerry has been reported taking up to 17 items through the express lane. George Bush was seen taking 21 items through once! I wonder when was the last time either of those guys did their own grocery shopping?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #16 September 8, 2004 The reasons and motivations are different. THe reason Kerry gets criticized for changing his stance is primarily due to the reasons for his changing positions. Look, everyone changes their mind, but what causes that is the concern. We all know GWB is a man of conviction. WHether you agree with him or not, when he makes his mind up he usually sees it to fruition. Kerry, however, has been know to change his mind on important issues NOT because of knew information, but instead because something may not be popular with his voting demographic. I look at Lieberman (D) as a much stronger canidate than Kerry, Because Lieberman is a man of conviction. Kerry was for this war... Up until Dean started winning primaries based on his opposition to the war. Then the flip-flopping began. I wouldn't mind if he changed opinions... he is entitled to that, but I think his reasons are not genuine, and overall I don't think he is a genuine person. I feel Kerry want to be Pres, because he wants to be President...it is about him. I feel GWB wants to be president because he thinks he can make the country and the world better. IMO. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #17 September 8, 2004 QuoteI feel Kerry want to be Pres, because he wants to be President...it is about him. I feel GWB wants to be president because he thinks he can make the country and the world better. IMO. Don't kid yourself. Both of them want the job because they want to be President. Unfortunately it's one of those jobs that probably shouldn't ever be given to anyone who actually wants it. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #18 September 8, 2004 QuoteI feel Kerry want to be Pres, because he wants to be President...it is about him. I feel GWB wants to be president because he thinks he can make the country and the world better. IMO. I feel Kerry wants to be president because he wants to be president AND thinks he can do some good. I think Bush wants to be president because he thinks he can do some good and because he's a born again former coke head alcoholic who replaced those addictions with the addiction of religion and thinks he is part of some vast universal destiny. That makes him dangerous, in my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #19 September 8, 2004 Isn't it funny how some liberals are so unoriginal that they take a saying that has been used to describe Kerry and use it for Bush? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #20 September 8, 2004 Isn't if funny how some conservatives are so unimaginative that they repeat a phrase created by RNC spin doctors without realising the description fits their own candidate equally as well? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #21 September 8, 2004 Let's see if the liberals come up with an original phrase. I doubt it. But hey, I'll give them a chance. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #22 September 8, 2004 I prefer to discuss issues and actions rather than coming up with catchy phrases and propaganda. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #23 September 8, 2004 QuoteI prefer to discuss issues and actions I've never seen you do that yet. Anytime someone talks about Kerry you play the mirror game. I have yet seen you discuss Kerry without using the word, "Bush" or something similiar in a thread. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #24 September 8, 2004 Kev, Tuna, Going back and forth with "am not!" and "are too!" doesn't really result in any fruitful discussion.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #25 September 8, 2004 QuoteKev, Tuna, Going back and forth with "am not!" and "are too!" doesn't really result in any fruitful discussion. Does to! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
