Q: What do you think would have happened if it was Kerry, not Clinton, having heart surgery?

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

I don't wish illness on anyone, and feel it's karmically dangerous even to be glad for Clinton, whom I hate very much, suffering heart disease...

But if I could put John Kerry in his place, I think I'd rather the current threat to liberty and the future of this country, as opposed to the former threat, were forced to go under the knife, if it meant he was that much less likely to be elected president.

Do you think that if Kerry had to have coronary bypass surgery, that would erode enough support to make Bush an almost certain win in November?

Add your comments as you see fit.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[Kennedy 0]

I have to admit, in my rambling day dreams, I think of much worse happening to enemies of liberty.

I feel bad about it, so that makes me feel better.

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[Frenchy68 0]

Doesn't that somehow, at least in a political point of view, amount to asking "who would you like" as opposed to "what would have happened"?
Clinton or Kerry?What's next? Reagan or Bush?
Not quite sure what that kind of speculation leads to...

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

[InflightSupv 0]

I think that the "left" hates Bush so bad that they would continue their irrational stance and still vote for Kerry. I think that they would vote for a monkey before Dubya. I don't understand why, its just what I've seen this year.

[wmw999 2,589]

Oh goodness -- I don't even hope that George Bush has open-heart surgery between now and November .

It would certainly hurt his chances, just as it would hurt Bush's. Of course, John Ashcroft lost to a dead man, so a heart bypass operation wouldn't necessarily ruin either's chances.

The unfortunate thing is that in each case, the other party would certainly exploit this.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Doesn't that somehow, at least in a political point of view, amount to asking "who would you like" as opposed to "what would have happened"?
Clinton or Kerry?What's next? Reagan or Bush?
Not quite sure what that kind of speculation leads to...

It's a question of do you think Kerry would be robbed of support if he was forced to undergo heart surgery. Most Americans, I figure, don't like the idea of a president being physically infirmed. It undermines confidence, and does not provide for a figurehead of strength.

If you want to speculate on how Bush's support would erode under similar circumstances, please feel free to start such a thread.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[Kennedy 0]

The only people I "hope" for to have heart surgery are those who need it, and I do hope that it is successful (even if a few not-so-loving thoughts do stray in from time to time).

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[TypicalFish 0]

Amazing. Simply Amazing.

I am sure you would react very positively to a post regarding Cheney having a heart attack.

But that's not even the point.

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[TypicalFish 0]

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It's a question of do you think Kerry would be robbed of support if he was forced to undergo heart surgery. Most Americans, I figure, don't like the idea of a president being physically infirmed. It undermines confidence, and does not provide for a figurehead of strength.

Bulls%$t, PJ. It's venom pure and simple. At least cop to it.

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[Frenchy68 0]

FDR did not seem to suffer from lack of support due to his infirmity. Then again, if you are asking whether Americans would vote for a candidate while he is still in the ER, I'd say probably not.
And if Bush crashes in his AF1 chopper tomorrow and turns into a vegetable, I think it may slightly hurt his chances. I may be wrong though...

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

[Kennedy 0]

If GWB goes veg, the Republican Party is SOL.

They don't have another good candidate to fill his shoes. Cheney couldn't run for the big seat. Powell won't do it. Rice can't do it. God knows Ashcroft wouldn't win. Who could replace Bush?

The Dems, on the other hand, well, one John could replace the other and people would barely notice.

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[Frenchy68 0]

They don't have another good candidate to fill his shoes. Cheney couldn't run for the big seat. Powell won't do it. Rice can't do it. God knows Ashcroft wouldn't win. Who could replace Bush?
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Come on, Kennedy. Don't tell me that you believe that Bush is THE ULTIMATE candidate the Republicans have. There's gotta be better, on both sides. Shouldn't we always strive for improvement? Or have we already reached perfection? Scary...

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[Kennedy 0]

I'm saying the Republicans don't have another candidate that could step into the presidential race, right now.

Can you show me I'm wrong? Suggest a few Republicans who could step up right now.

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[Frenchy68 0]

McCain would probably win it, if he wouldn't have to go through a primary... He would get the Republican votes (I doubt too many would switch to Kerry), and would grab quite a bit of the moderate Democrat votes.

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[Kennedy 0]

McCain doesn't sit well with the Republican base of support.

No candidate can win by getting some votes from the "moderates," even from both parties.

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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McCain doesn't sit well with the Republican base of support.

No candidate can win by getting some votes from the "moderates," even from both parties.

True, he doesn't sit well with me. He is not pro-gun. And he sponsored that abomination against the First Amendment that he tried to call "campaign finance reform."

He's as much a Republican as Zell Miller is a Democrat. I'm surprised he wasn't a keynote speaker at the dem convention, he's got his nose so far up their asses.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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It's a question of do you think Kerry would be robbed of support if he was forced to undergo heart surgery. Most Americans, I figure, don't like the idea of a president being physically infirmed. It undermines confidence, and does not provide for a figurehead of strength.

Bulls%$t, PJ. It's venom pure and simple. At least cop to it.

Dude, I opened with this: "I don't wish illness on anyone, and feel it's karmically dangerous even to be glad for Clinton, whom I hate very much, suffering heart disease... "

I don't really give a shit how much credibility I have with you. I know what I know, and I don't tend to come here and say one thing while I mean another. I don't feel comfortable wishing medical ills on other people, and so I don't do it.

That has nothing to do with the fact that I would not be upset if something I did not will on him took Kerry out of the race and sewed up a win for Bush, so that we'd have 4 more years of relative protection of our gun rights. (In case you haven't been tuned in, that's about the biggest issue I vote on right now.)

But if you detect a cynical desire on my part to see someone get sick, you're off base. My mom died of cancer in 2001 and I cannot in my heart wish something even half as bad as that on anyone. Shit, I don't even delight in Janet Reno's Parkinson's disease. Cripes, what is wrong with me?!

Now... car accidents I have no problem being happy about. (But not plane crashes. I abhor when something that flies crashes.)

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[narcimund 0]

John Kerry, the scum, put frogs in a girl's lunch once. He deserves a good spanking!

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[Frenchy68 0]

John Kerry, the scum, put frogs in a girl's lunch once. He deserves a good spanking!
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That was my girlfriend! (And am I the only one to pay attention to your posts in this world? Anyone? ANYONE?)

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[billvon 3,120]

Many of the far right wingers would pray for the surgeon to slip. That's about their level of morality.

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Many of the far right wingers would pray for the surgeon to slip. That's about their level of morality.

And you claim to know this how?

What do you think Whoopie Goldberg or Alec Baldwin would be praying for if Bush went into surgery? That's about the level of their morality.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[Kennedy 0]

How many of those brainless wonders have said they wish Bush chokes on another pretzel, and that this time it doesn't come out?

Besides the freaky zealot wackos, are there any famous/infamous people on the right stating that they wish ill to their opponents?

I seem to recall Charlton Heston trying to give basic lessons to his Hollywood "pals" when King ruled LA.
(of course, the poor schmucks couldn't actually buy a gun for self defense, because of the waiting periods they supported)

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[christelsabine 1]

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How many of those brainless wonders have said they wish Bush chokes on another pretzel

No, I never would say this, I just would offer him a fresh pretzel

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poor schmucks

A schmuck is what? A schmock?

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McCain doesn't sit well with the Republican base of support.

No candidate can win by getting some votes from the "moderates," even from both parties.

So if McCain were the nominee, who would the Republican votes go to? If GWB's health took a dive and he had to be replaced on the ticket, McCain would be a slam-dunk. Although Republicans might not want to vote for him, they wouldn't have much of a choice, and I think an awful lot of moderates would swing that direction to. I know I would.

Blues,
Dave

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I think that they would vote for a monkey before Dubya. I don't understand why, its just what I've seen this year.

Well at least the monkey would only fuck things up randomly, as opposed to Dubya who will fuck things up systematically.

Blues,
Dave

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