Zenister 0 #51 September 8, 2004 in my case, radar, radar exploitation platforms, perimeter security and other MASINT/SIGINT sensors, there is ALOT of electronics included in WRM for the army, and its more than just ammo.. it is all of the non perishable, heavy, hard to transport supplies to fight a two front war, supplies we've exhausted in this single 'security action' (could we at least declare it? damn..) Shorthanded? the Army, soldiers who are being used for jobs they are not, and have never really been trained for. We've sucked out and all the critical MOS's away from non-deployed units and attached them to deployed units, when they return 'home' their unit deploys and they are suddenly back out with little to no recovery time... we may have enough 11B and 71L (although i'm not sure about the 11b as i've seen a number of soldiers poorly trained in the basic infantry skills out patrolling ) but were are hurting for the less common, more technical critical skill specialties.. the AF never had the retention problems the Army does, they treat their people and their families MUCH better (i'm an AF brat) and so can deal with higher optempo much better than the army....Marines/Navy i have no direct info about as i havent worked with either in awhile... QuoteAre you saying the leadership of your service was giving bad info back to the planners? No, where i observed it the missions given to the leadership included tasks they werent properly equipped or trained for, but they did them anyway...imo the build up should have gone on about 2 months longer really... and we should have been planning, training and recruiting for this level and type of conflict for 2 years before we went to make up the shortfalls....unfortunately military readiness hasn’t been a priority since Regan.. other theaters? every other place in the world we have troops, Europe, Korea etc, readiness isnt something that matters only on the front, but absolutely we are neglecting Afghanistan IMO... QuoteToo bad the generals in charge of the Army aren't giving that feedback to the boss. i think in this case it is a matter of the generals telling the Boss what he expects the hear... I've been personally appalled at the way reports and briefings are 'spun' at higher echelons... I can only blame politics, which is a piss poor reason to screw the guy on the ground, but the Army has issues with delivering bad news up the chain, they achieve their goals, but the difficulties in doing so due to poor pre-planning and inadequate supply rarely seem to make to the flag level AARs "never trust an officer above Lt. Col, he's only thinking about his next job..." btw…which CAOC do you work at? I’m scheduled to rotate with our FE in Qatar in Jan/Feb depending (probably already be there if i hadnt broken myself) sometimes i hate being a 'godless contractor', I see all sorts of things i believe are wrong, but have no authority to correct them anymore... "shut up and color"____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #52 September 9, 2004 After reading the thread I feel if WE know so much then WE should put our name on the ballet.An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #53 September 9, 2004 QuoteStem cell research could cure it, if not for Bush. So could rubbing ginger-bread cookies on your ass, for all we know. Stem cell research looks promising, but it isn't the end all and be all of medical treatments. If stem cell treatments did cure diabeties we'd have people flocking across the borders in the record numbers to be cured of that awful condition. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #54 September 9, 2004 So could rubbing ginger-bread cookies on your ass, for all we know*** Dude, try to do that rubbing ginger-bread cookies on your ass... Doctors grow new jaw in man's back "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,112 #55 September 9, 2004 QuoteBut saying it is Bush's fault helps make it look like the dems should win the election. And when they are unable to change the stats - it would still be Bus's fault - but if it changes between now and the election - Bush will be at fault because he didn't do it sooner. Do you see a pattern forming? Yes - the pattern is that of a hubristic government sending the nation's young men into harms way for the wrong reasons. It happened 40 years ago, and it's happened again now. Kerry was absolutely right in his comments to Congress all those years ago. He was indicting the government, NOT HIS COMRADES IN ARMS. If you were a bit older and wiser you would see that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,112 #56 September 9, 2004 Here's a good article: www.startribune.com/stories/561/4971162.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #57 September 9, 2004 QuoteSo could rubbing ginger-bread cookies on your ass, for all we know. Well, it's a good thing that Bush didn't ban that yet then, isn't it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,112 #58 September 9, 2004 Quote QuoteStem cell research could cure it, if not for Bush. So could rubbing ginger-bread cookies on your ass, for all we know. Stem cell research looks promising, but it isn't the end all and be all of medical treatments. If stem cell treatments did cure diabeties we'd have people flocking across the borders in the record numbers to be cured of that awful condition. - Jim While medical researchers may not always be right, they are right about medical matters a whole lot more of the time than politicians. How will we ever know if stem cell treatments will cure diabetes if the researchers aren't allowed to find out? Wait for GWB to get a message from God? Next time I'm sick and the doctor writes me a prescription, I will take it. I suggest you try the cookies on the ass treatment next time you get sick.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #59 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteNice fantasy world - won't work that way though. But his failure in that regard is destroying the chance of potentially saving hundreds of thousands of lives a year. No, there's no guarantee, and there's no guarantee that invading Iraq made us any safer. But again, which has the POTENTIAL to save more people? 100% fatal to the fetuses they harvest them from, though....too bad for them, huh?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #60 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteBut saying it is Bush's fault helps make it look like the dems should win the election. And when they are unable to change the stats - it would still be Bus's fault - but if it changes between now and the election - Bush will be at fault because he didn't do it sooner. Do you see a pattern forming? Yes - the pattern is that of a hubristic government sending the nation's young men into harms way for the wrong reasons. It happened 40 years ago, and it's happened again now. Kerry was absolutely right in his comments to Congress all those years ago. He was indicting the government, NOT HIS COMRADES IN ARMS. If you were a bit older and wiser you would see that. And it happened in Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo...are those wrong too? Or only the ones that the current administration sends troops to?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #61 September 9, 2004 Quote100% fatal to the fetuses they harvest them from, though....too bad for them, huh? First, they're taken from an embryo, not a fetus. Second, they are going to die anyway. People to go fertility clinics, create a dozen embryos, implant a couple, give birth, and the extras are disposed of. Bush's ban does nothing to change that practice, it just means you can't get the stem cells from them first. Do you propose that those embryos be kept alive in a freezer indefinitely even though they will never be implanted? If that's your position, fine, get a law passed that does that. But banning stem cell research does as much to protect fetuses, as the assault weapon ban has done to reduce crime. It's a misplaced, misguided, useless, and damaging ban. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #62 September 9, 2004 QuoteAnd it happened in Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo...are those wrong too? Or only the ones that the current administration sends troops to? My cat's breath smells like cat food, and is as relevant. Nice try at saying "But Clinton did it" without actually using those words. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #63 September 9, 2004 You say they are NOT relevant - Why are they not?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #64 September 9, 2004 Then why aren't you blasting away about the lives we've lost in those places, then? Quote Or only the ones that the current administration sends troops to? Yup, that shoe seems to fit...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #65 September 9, 2004 QuoteThen why aren't you blasting away about the lives we've lost in those places, then? ! - Because there's nothing we can do about it now and the person who sent those troops in harms way is not running for president. 2 - We shouldn't have been in Somalia, we should have been in Bosnia because genocide was being commited and instability there was a direct threat to our NATO allies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,112 #66 September 9, 2004 QuoteThen why aren't you blasting away about the lives we've lost in those places, then? Quote Or only the ones that the current administration sends troops to? Yup, that shoe seems to fit... Bush (41) sent the US troops, 25,000 of them, to Somalia in 1992. Clinton didn't take office until 1993.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #67 September 9, 2004 QuoteWhile may not always be right, they are right about a whole lot more of the time than politicians. You're sounding awfully Libertarian there.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,112 #68 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteWhile may not always be right, they are right about a whole lot more of the time than politicians. You're sounding awfully Libertarian there. Yes. I'm in favor of minimal government. Our present administration created the biggest government spending the most taxpayer money in history. I don't understand why the self-styled "conservatives" around here haven't figured that out yet.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
