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If it ever makes it to the theaters -- I'll go see it.

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If it ever makes it to the theaters -- I'll go see it.

Hey, "Cutaway" never made it to the theaters. You saw it didn't you?

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"Cutaway" was a special case.

Anyway, what I'd really be interested in would be seeing the reactions of the audience and compare that to what I saw at Fahrenheit 911. If you didn't experience that, then you missed a large portion of what the film was about.

Movies in theaters with an audience have a completely different feeling than watching at home on even the "best" home theater.

If you didn't see the movie -at all- because you didn't agreed with its politics, then you've missed something interesting for a silly reason.

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"Cutaway" was a special case.

Anyway, what I'd really be interested in would be seeing the reactions of the audience and compare that to what I saw at Fahrenheit 911. If you didn't experience that, then you missed a large portion of what the film was about.

Movies in theaters with an audience have a completely different feeling than watching at home on even the "best" home theater.

If you didn't see the movie -at all- because you didn't agreed with its politics, then you've missed something interesting for a silly reason.

When I want to see a fictional movie, I will go to see one that is honest enough to admit it is fiction like LOTR.

Many people to this day will not swim in the ocean after seeing Jaws. The fact that a movie is able to influence people isn't in dispute. What is in dispute is whether it does so honestly. MM's fantasy doesn't rise to that level. Nor is it a documentary.

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amen...


far to many people let their personal interpretation of life and its meaning get in the way of the real experience of it........

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I'll go see it, too.
And then I'll claim to all the liberals that it doesn't matter that the source of it is biased against Kerry, or that they twisted facts or took speeches out of context, or edited and spliced disparate speeches to give a totally different impression.

I'll tell the liberals that it doesn't matter that people will be wrongly swayed by the misrepresentations, or that the movie is manipulative, because the viewers are smart enough to make decisions about what is fact for themselves, which is why they needed to see a movie that purports to do that for them in the first place.

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because they are for the most part sheep, and will believe whatever is told to them.....

your right in this case, it doesnt matter.... not when the populace can not be expected to actually think for themselves.......all that matters is who's propaganda machine worked longest and best for this election...

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"Cutaway" was a special case.

Anyway, what I'd really be interested in would be seeing the reactions of the audience and compare that to what I saw at Fahrenheit 911. If you didn't experience that, then you missed a large portion of what the film was about.

Movies in theaters with an audience have a completely different feeling than watching at home on even the "best" home theater.

If you didn't see the movie -at all- because you didn't agreed with its politics, then you've missed something interesting for a silly reason.

Have you seen "The Passion of the Christ", yet? If not, why not? If so, what was your opinion of the audiences reactions?

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I had (and still have) no desire to see "The Passion".

I have nothing against Mel Gibson or even the reported brutality of the film -- I'm just totally indifferent to it. Simply didn't flip the little switch in my head that says "That looks interesting. I gotta go see that."

I really would like to see this new movie that started this thread. I'll even go into it with an open mind. Obviously Kerry pisses off people in a way I still don't understand and I'd -like- to be able to understand their point of view.

I have a good friend at the DZ that was a gunner in a chopper in Vietnam. Great guy. I told him that since I wasn't old enough and wasn't there, -I- couldn't hold anything against Kerry for going and then protesting against it. My friend said he could and I believe he has every right to. He got shot down a couple of times and lost a few friends there, so, who the heck am I to deny him his feelings. I just want to understand them.

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-I- couldn't hold anything against Kerry for going and then protesting against it. My friend said he could and I believe he has every right to.

The history books say around 9 million were called up and only 2 million served. Most people got out of going if they could. There was a high proportion of poor and blacks that went, because they couldn't or wouldn't get out of serving.

They say the US governments of the day lied to the people about how badly the war was going. That huge numbers of civilians were slaughtered and that vast areas of Vietnam was destroyed by bombing. That many very young and inexperienced US soldiers died unnecessarily and those that survived returned to a country that did not support them or the war any more.

If a guy gets called up, goes and fights, and comes back and says its all wrong, why is that bad? - Didn't most people end up thinking the war was wrong? With hindsight wasn't it obviously wrong?

Also, how can people criticize Bush et al when it looks from the numbers like most people that could avoid it did avoid it?

This subject is totally confusing to non-Americans.

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No it is not confusing to just non americans. It is confusing to non-service experience people.

When you pledge an oath as a commisioned officer, he has plenty of laws to follow through. Coming back and declaring "I'm a war criminal, committed attrocities and so have all the US servicemen over there" just to gain notoriety is wrong. The oath is a pledge of allegiance against enemies foreign and domestic, to obey the orders of those appointed over you, not just when you feel like.

What he as an officer should have done is seek a court martial of those doing the war crimes, as an officer it was his duty, if it ever happened. I still do not comprehend why he never was indicted for his crimes. He does not deserve to be CIC.

To this date, even Jane Fonda realized that she harmed many fellow americans down there, in particular the POW's, she has long apologized since then, not Kerry, who not only was appalled about his own service (he after all demonstrated that he wanted to get rid of his medals) but now wants to run using something he already despised.

Is that is really somthing hard to understand?

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If you didn't see the movie -at all- because you didn't agreed with its politics, then you've missed something interesting for a silly reason.

I have never considered ANYONES convictions "Silly".

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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If you didn't see the movie -at all- because you didn't agreed with its politics, then you've missed something interesting for a silly reason.

I have never considered ANYONES convictions "Silly".

He's not saying my convictions are silly. He's saying that if the reason I haven't seen it is because I disagree with it's politics, that is a silly reason. I agree with Quade on this point, however it isn't the reason I haven't seen it.

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If you didn't see the movie -at all- because you didn't agreed with its politics, then you've missed something interesting for a silly reason.

I have never considered ANYONES convictions "Silly".

He's not saying my convictions are silly. He's saying that if the reason I haven't seen it is because I disagree with it's politics, that is a silly reason. I agree with Quade on this point, however it isn't the reason I haven't seen it.

I disagree - I think he meant that it was unacceptable to not watch the opinions of this person because of your convictions. Your convictions in this case being the reasons, hence "Silly".

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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What makes you think the "history books" are telling you the truth? Many of them were written by liberal professors who were protesting the war when they were undergrads.

Do they mention the thousands of South Vietnamese that were slaughtered by the Viet Cong and NVA? 5,000 were found in Hue after the 1968 Tet Offensive. Note that an entire US advisor team was also executed. They were found with their hands tied behind their backs.

Do they mention how the North Vietnamese were thinking of ending the war after 1968, but were persuaded by the US protests to hold out to see what they could get?

Do they mention the Viet Minhs slaughter of all political opponents after WWII.

Do they mention the North Vietnamese "sacrificing" the Viet Cong so they would not be a political force at the end of the war?

Do they mention the 100,000 NVA troops killed by the Chinese after the US withdrew?

I didn't think so.

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Jim

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I like the testimonial of the guy who says he would have "beat the steam" out of Kerry if he'd been there when he was chunking his (friend's) medals. "Maybe that's what he needs."


HAHA - couldn't agree more. Like to watch that too.

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"When I want to see a fictional movie, I will go to see one that is honest enough to admit it is fiction like LOTR."



Even Lord of the Rings is an artists interpretation of the events that shaped the life of Tolkien. The Boer war, WWI and WWII are all well represented in this "fictional tale".
Democracy is giving the voters the choice of which politicians lies to believe.

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Kerry is going to get his ass handed to him on election day .

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