Kennedy 0 #1 September 4, 2004 QuoteAlan Keyes supports ... reparations?! Larry Elder September 2, 2004 Illinois Republican candidate Alan Keyes recently proposed exempting blacks -- for a generation or two -- from paying federal income taxes! Slavery, argues Keyes, "was an egregious failure on the part of the federal establishment." Who argues with that? But despite slavery, Jim Crow and racism, the progress of American blacks is simply astounding. Black America, if divided into a separate country, ranks No. 16 in Gross Domestic Product, ahead of Australia, Turkey, Thailand, Argentina, the Netherlands, Taiwan and South Africa. Black economic progress increased tremendously, says economist Thomas Sowell, well before so-called "level the playing field" government policies and programs. In fact, on this 40th anniversary of Lyndon Johnson's "War on Poverty," Sowell says the income gap between blacks and whites closed faster "pre-war" than "post-war." "The economic rise of blacks began decades earlier," Sowell stated, "before any of the legislation and policies that are credited with producing that rise. The continuation of the rise of blacks out of poverty did not -- repeat, did not -- accelerate during the 1960s. "The poverty rate among black families fell from 87 percent in 1940 to 47 percent in 1960, during an era of virtually no major civil rights legislation or anti-poverty programs. It dropped another 17 percentage points during the decade of the 1960s and one percentage point during the 1970s, but this continuation of the previous trend was neither unprecedented nor something to be arbitrarily attributed to the programs like the War on Poverty. "In various skilled trades, the incomes of blacks relative to whites more than doubled between 1936 and 1959 -- that is, before the magic 1960s decade when supposedly all progress began. The rise of blacks in professional and other high-level occupations was greater in the five years preceding the Civil Rights Act of 1964 than in the five years afterwards." In "America in Black and White," authors Stephan and Abigail Thernstrom agree that the black middle class expanded well before "affirmative action." The Thernstroms said, " . . . The growth of the black middle class long predates the adoption of race-conscious social policies. In some ways, indeed, the black middle class was expanding more rapidly before 1970 than after. . . . Many of the advances black Americans have made since the Great Depression occurred before anything that can be termed 'affirmative action' existed. . . . In the years since affirmative action, (the black middle class) has continued to grow, but not at a more rapid pace than in the preceding three decades, despite a common impression to the contrary." Under Ronald Reagan -- who cut the top tax rate from 70 percent to 28 percent -- black income, business development and business growth exploded. According to National Review, "From the end of 1982 to 1989, black unemployment dropped 9 percentage points (from 20.4 percent to 11.4 percent), Hispanic unemployment dropped 7.3 percentage points (from 15.3 percent to 8.0 percent), while white unemployment dropped by only 4.0 percentage points. . . . A black entrepreneurial class flourished. According to the Census Bureau, the number of black-owned businesses increased from 308,000 in 1982 to 424,000 in 1987, a 38 percent rise. At the same time, the total number of firms in the U.S. rose by only 14 percent. Receipts by black-owned firms more than doubled, from $9.6 billion to $19.8 billion. . . . From 1980 to 1990, the median income of black households grew 31 percent above inflation, compared to 19 percent growth for white households." Under President Clinton, despite a tax increase, the black middle class continued its expansion. Between 1992 and 1997, there was a 25.7 percent increase in black-owned firms and a 32.5 percent increase in their gross sales. The NAACP periodically accuses "Hollywood" of engaging in a "blackout." But in 2002, the Screen Actors Guild reported that 15.5 percent of all theatrical and TV roles went to blacks -- more than the percentage of the population of blacks in America. The Directors Guild of America recently reported that 6 percent of directors on 2003-04 season TV series were black, a 200 percent increase since 2000-01. Back in 1963, Ebony magazine, a black monthly, ran a series called, "If I Were Young Today." Each month, a black high-achiever offered his or her advice to young blacks. Paul Williams, the "architect to the stars" who designed Los Angeles International Airport Theme Building, said: "Whatever one does as a profession or livelihood, he should endeavor to read the current magazines pertaining to his work. One must keep pace with progress and what the other fellow is thinking and doing. In order to do this he must read -- read -- read!!! He should strive to become a specialist and not just another architect, engineer or salesman." None of those offering advice even hinted at a need for race-based preferences. The road to success is simple, if not easily applied -- hard work, sacrifice, and above all, the refusal to think like a victicrat. You know, the same formula used by Alan Keyes.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #2 September 4, 2004 In that case, perhaps someone should propose reparations for the North American Indian. I dont think anyone would argue that the blacks were very badly treated, but I think the Indians were treated worse. They weren't forced into slavery...they were massacred, men , women and children. The only Indians that came out ahead after it was all over was those who found oil on their reserves. Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #3 September 4, 2004 Some of the Indians are doing quite well with casinos. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #4 September 5, 2004 QuoteSome of the Indians are doing quite well with casinos. Haven't they been able to open and operate casinos directly because they are -- as a type of reparation -- allowed to act as sovereign states on their reservations? Aren't they exempt from being taxed on that stuff, and on liquor and cigarettes? I'm not totally sure about this stuff, but I think it's true. What are the details? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sinkster 0 #5 September 5, 2004 yep, indian sold cigarettes are a great way to beat those ridiculous taxes. three cheers for indian reservations! hip hip hooray! /wonders if there is indian web hosting Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KATO33 0 #6 September 6, 2004 In that case, perhaps someone should propose reparations for the North American Indian. I dont think anyone would argue that the blacks were very badly treated, but I think the Indians were treated worse.*** Agreed one of the biggest arguments I ever got into was with a guy of native american descent. I suggested that any Fight Blacks take up for non-discrimination or fair treatment native american should be on the front lines. His position was "aww hell leave well enough alone.....I'm doing ok so F*** it". Blue Skies Black Death Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #7 September 7, 2004 So do we want to build the whole "the only race in the human race" thing, or do we want to make the divisions that much deeper, and draw more solid lines between us that don't need to be there?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #8 September 7, 2004 QuoteSo do we want to build the whole "the only race in the human race" thing, or do we want to make the divisions that much deeper, and draw more solid lines between us that don't need to be there? THANK YOU!!!!!!!! I was waiting for someone to say it... What irks me is that the term "reparations" is commonly referred to American History and slavery...I don't see other countries jumping up and down trying to appease a few weirdos who believe that they are owed monetary reparations for their ancestors suffering...... Most blacks that I speak to say that it is bullshit... How do you put a price tag on what someones suffering that took place a hundred or even several hundred years ago?!? ~R+R~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #9 September 7, 2004 THANK YOU!!!!!!!! I was waiting for someone to say it... This sure won't help him get elected. I can't believe a black conservative candidate would bring this bias/ slanted crap up so close to an election. It will cost him.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #10 September 7, 2004 Keyes did'nt even live in Ill till a few weeks ago, he was nominated by the Il republicans to run and then set up residency there after that. He's trying anything to get votes since all polls show him losing by a landslide and an avalance at the same time.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #11 September 7, 2004 Maybe I could get the English Queen to pay reparations for some of my family being kicked out of Scotland as a result of crown policyand being forced to come to the "Americas"say 3 or 4 million quidthat should be enough to soothe my ruffled feathersMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #12 September 7, 2004 Quote He's trying anything to get votes since all polls show him losing by a landslide and an avalance at the same time. No, he's not doing that well!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #13 September 8, 2004 QuoteMaybe I could get the English Queen to pay reparations for some of my family being kicked out of Scotland as a result of crown policyand being forced to come to the "Americas"say 3 or 4 million quidthat should be enough to soothe my ruffled feathers What's about my feathers? Could you kindly include a poor German into your efforts? Only few millions would be enough for me... And you know, we have the right to ask an old member of our British family dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #14 September 8, 2004 QuoteMaybe I could get the English Queen to pay reparations for some of my family being kicked out of Scotland as a result of crown policyand being forced to come to the "Americas"say 3 or 4 million quidthat should be enough to soothe my ruffled feathers There hasn't been an English queen since 1066 (and even then she was of doubtful heritage). The current queen is a Battenberg. In fact the Scots had more recent monarchs than the English (until Queen Anne in 18th Century) so maybe YOU should pay reparations.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #15 September 8, 2004 You heard it Here ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #16 September 8, 2004 Quote There hasn't been an English queen since 1066 (and even then she was of doubtful heritage). The current queen is a Battenberg. Do not be so strict with our ancestors, the Mountbattens. She still is called The Queen and everybody knows who she is. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #17 September 8, 2004 Of for shit's sake. Saying "the Queen of England" is the same as saying "the English Queen," you bleeping blanking bleeper!!! If you want to nip pick then his analogy would read "the british government should pay me reparations." Not a bad idea, if you ask me. Afterall, I trace my lineage to the MacGregors. Talk about a bunch of people getting the shit end of the stick. Let's see, land in lower Scotland, repatriation, pain and suffering, inflation, yada yada yada.... yeah a few million would be a good way for the Brits to say "I'm sorry." That, or an all expense paid family reunion in Hawaii. That's the ticket. Get the family from US and Aus together in the middle,a s far from England as possible. Who's up for lawsuits?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #18 September 8, 2004 Never let facts stand in your way, do you. Now, what about that RECORD DEFICIT?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #19 September 8, 2004 It's called fixation. It's a problem. Seek help.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #20 September 8, 2004 QuoteQuote There hasn't been an English queen since 1066 (and even then she was of doubtful heritage). The current queen is a Battenberg. Do not be so strict with our ancestors, the Mountbattens. She still is called The Queen and everybody knows who she is. Yes, she is an useless piece of old garments, very rich and boring."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #21 September 8, 2004 QuoteYes, she is an useless piece of old garments, very rich and boring How did you know! She ever visited Argentinia lately? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #22 September 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteYes, she is an useless piece of old garments, very rich and boring How did you know! She ever visited Argentinia lately? Has Bush been to Koln, lately? You seem to have an awful lot of opinions on him, afterall.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #23 September 8, 2004 Quote Has Bush been to Koln, lately? You seem to have an awful lot of opinions on him, afterall Where did I talk about your president? Do not remember. Whenever he wants to visit Cologne, he will be welcome. We are a friendly city, thats's for sure! dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #24 September 8, 2004 Ahem, Argentina is not really that rich. Was, on the early 20's late 30' but not now."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
