Michele 1 #1 September 2, 2004 And is really on "fahrrrr." This is an interesting speaker, inasmuch as he is a democrat giving the keynote address at the RNC. Tres interesting...and lighting things up. If you can, you should watch. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #2 September 2, 2004 Get em' Zell! Good speech! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #3 September 2, 2004 I dunno about it being a "good" speech, but it sure took Kerry to task... What was interesting to me was the fact he's still a dem, although how much he'll be welcomed into the party now is debatable. Cheney's on now, so I'm gonna go see what he's got to say. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #4 September 2, 2004 QuoteWhat was interesting to me was the fact he's still a dem, although how much he'll be welcomed into the party now is debatable. Given that he's pretty much said he's retiring from politics, and he's the most popular politician (of either party) in much of the Southeast, I doubt that (a) he cares much, or (b) either party would reject him. Have you read his book?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #5 September 2, 2004 Hi, Tom. No, I haven't read his book; I probably should though. As for him not caring, I have to agree. From my experience, when someone stops caring about public opinion, they tend to speak their mind, more directly and more openly. There's nothing to lose, you know? Far more impactful than Ron Reagan speaking at the DNC, imho. Great answer to that event, I think. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 September 2, 2004 I only got a chance to listen to it on radio. On TV did he look as rabid as he sounded?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #7 September 2, 2004 QuoteWhat was interesting to me was the fact he's still a dem, although how much he'll be welcomed into the party now is debatable. Zell did an interview on Fox a few nights ago. At one point in the conversation he was asked why he didn't change parties and become a Republican (this happened after his admission that he was essentially disgusted by the Democratic party). Zell's response (paraphrased) "I was born a Democrat and I'll die a Democrat!". This was followed by a small rant about his feeling that the Democratic party has lost its focus in the last 35 to 40 years. No matter your feelings about his politics, this guy is interesting. I didn't know he had a book, but now that I do, I think I'll be buying it. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #8 September 2, 2004 QuoteOn TV did he look as rabid as he sounded? He looked determined, confident, and mad as hell. You might be able to find the video here tomorrow. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 September 2, 2004 Man, just listening to the audio I actually had to check the radio station numbers to make -sure- that I was listening to NPR and not some version of Phil Hendrie. Seriously, he -sounded- like he was frothing at the mouth and just a -little- nuts.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #10 September 2, 2004 Quote...just a -little- nuts. Just remember that Miller speaks pretty clearly for a significant chunk of the American electorate. If you think he's nuts, you might be disturbed by the number of people nodding their heads in agreement. The man did not get an 85% approval rating by accident.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,121 #11 September 2, 2004 >Just remember that Miller speaks pretty clearly for a >significant chunk of the American electorate. Perhaps, but which speech? From 2001: ----------------------------------------------------------------- It is good to be back in Georgia and to be with you. I have been coming to these dinners since the 1950s, and have missed very few. . . . . My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders – and a good friend. He was once a lieutenant governor – but he didn't stay in that office 16 years, like someone else I know. It just took two years before the people of Massachusetts moved him into the United States Senate in 1984. In his 16 years in the Senate, John Kerry has fought against government waste and worked hard to bring some accountability to Washington. Early in his Senate career in 1986, John signed on to the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Bill, and he fought for balanced budgets before it was considered politically correct for Democrats to do so. John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment. Business Week magazine named him one of the top pro-technology legislators and made him a member of its "Digital Dozen." John was re-elected in 1990 and again in 1996 – when he defeated popular Republican Governor William Weld in the most closely watched Senate race in the country. John is a graduate of Yale University and was a gunboat officer in the Navy. He received a Silver Star, Bronze Star and three awards of the Purple Heart for combat duty in Vietnam. He later co-founded the Vietnam Veterans of America. He is married to Teresa Heinz and they have two daughters. As many of you know, I have great affection – some might say an obsession – for my two Labrador retrievers, Gus and Woodrow. It turns out John is a fellow dog lover, too, and he better be. His German Shepherd, Kim, is about to have puppies. And I just want him to know … Gus and Woodrow had nothing to do with that. Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome Senator John Kerry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 September 2, 2004 Quote Just remember that Miller speaks pretty clearly for a significant chunk of the American electorate. Not saying he doesn't, but that still doesn't mean he didn't sound just a little nuts tonight on the radio. Lots of fairly resonable people can sound nuts on the radio. Radio has the almost the same problem as the internet in that it loses a bit in the translation since you can't see facial expressions. The classic example of the differences between radio and TV is the Nixon / Kennedy debate.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #13 September 2, 2004 That guy was AMAZING! I heard that several Democratic members of Congress spontaneously combusted during that speech. Blue skies, --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #14 September 2, 2004 QuoteI only got a chance to listen to it on radio. On TV did he look as rabid as he sounded? Well, he was no Howard Dean, if that's what you mean. He had a firebrand, statesman-like intensity to him, yessir. I was glad to see it. Means he believes what he's saying -- and it was stuff that is good to believe. Blue skies, --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jazzjumper 0 #15 September 2, 2004 QuoteOn TV did he look as rabid as he sounded? Yes he did, but does that mean his facts are in error? He hit the Dems in the kisser, straight with the facts. Kerry is in such trouble. No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #16 September 2, 2004 Zell's book is fairly interesting and a good, quick read. Not so much a slam on the demoKKKratic party as it is a political autobiography of sorts. I'm not paying attention to the conventions, as I think they've outlived their usefulness. The tidbits I saw from his speech were quite impressive. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #17 September 2, 2004 QuotePerhaps, but which speech? From 2001: ----------------------------------------------------------------- That doesn't sound like a speech. It's a nice introduction of the next speaker. Have you ever heard anyone say anything negative doing so? -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #18 September 2, 2004 QuoteGiven that he's pretty much said he's retiring from politics, and he's the most popular politician (of either party) in much of the Southeast, I doubt that (a) he cares much, or (b) either party would reject him. So the honesty can come out. No ties. Nothing to lose by speaking his mind. Does'nt care what either party does in reference to him in the future. What a great choice for speaker! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mirage63 0 #19 September 2, 2004 QuoteI only got a chance to listen to it on radio. On TV did he look as rabid as he sounded? No he didn't. He looked like he was upset, that he believed what he was saying and that he was offended at the direction that the party he has been a part of his whole life has headed. A much more important speaker than Ron Regan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,121 #20 September 2, 2004 >That doesn't sound like a speech. It's a nice introduction of the next >speaker. Have you ever heard anyone say anything negative doing so? Nope. Have you ever heard an anti-republican-president speech at the RNC? It's clear that Miller has no problem flip-flopping when it suits his needs. It leads one to believe that Zell would be happy to give a blazingly anti-Bush speech if he had been asked to speak at the DNC. Not that there's anything wrong with that - it happens all the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #21 September 2, 2004 QuoteNope. Have you ever heard an anti-republican-president speech at the RNC? It's clear that Miller has no problem flip-flopping when it suits his needs. Bill, what reason does Zell to have to flip-flop? What potential gain is there? The man is going to retire in January. QuoteIt leads one to believe that Zell would be happy to give a blazingly anti-Bush speech if he had been asked to speak at the DNC. Not that there's anything wrong with that - it happens all the time. You really think so? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,121 #22 September 2, 2004 >Bill, what reason does Zell to have to flip-flop? I have no idea why he did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #23 September 2, 2004 Quote QuoteOn TV did he look as rabid as he sounded? He looked determined, confident, and mad as hell. You might be able to find the video here tomorrow. - Jim Yep, reminded me a lot of Buchanan's speech in '92, you know the one that many attribute to losing the election for HW Bush because it showed the vitriolic nature of the parties campaign. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #24 September 2, 2004 Quote>Bill, what reason does Zell to have to flip-flop? I have no idea why he did. I'm pretty sure Miller wrote a book about that. Speculating as to his motives is silly, when he's gone to great lengths to explain his outlook, in published form, available to all.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #25 September 3, 2004 Yep, reminded me a lot of Buchanan's speech in '92, you know the one that many attribute to losing the election for HW Bush because it showed the vitriolic nature of the parties campaign. ------------------ What's weird & scary is that now Buchanan seems too moderate for the current neo-con administration! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
