I am sickened

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Vinny the Anvil
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Looks like this is turning out to be a full blown campaign...

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It would be quite worrisome if these were coordinated events on the part of the rebels. If they can conduct such operations with great frequency the Russki's are going to be in a world of hurt. We all know Comrade Putin's history and what sort of actions might result.

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Yup, but it’s also likely that the Chechens are gonna find themselves in an equally big world of hurt. Terror campaigns damage Western countries because we have rules we have to play by and our leaders have to worry about getting elected the next time round.

Russia’s just likely to bomb the crap out of Chechnya in response to this sort of tactics. Where we respond with arrests, intelligence and surgical strikes, Russia’s likely to respond with a tank Regiment.

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f*&king disgusting. I don't see how the terrorists can stoop any lower.

Hasn't it crossed their minds that threatening to slaughter a bunch of schoolchildren might not be the best thing to gain sympathy in the world's eyes??

f*&king evil morons.

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myself and my friends ( all of us born in some part of Russia ) have been arguing this for a long time.

Is letting Checnya go a possible solution ? Let them be like Cuba - embargoed by all who surround it, and be self sufficient ? I for a second thought that that might do it, cuz logically it would seem that that will stop all the terrorist ploys. Now, lets go back a few years - what was going on in Afganistan that has won its sovergnity a decade back ? Most profits came from growing drugs ( coke ??? ), transporting weapons, and al-Queda training. They were left alone, and yes, there wasn't that many attacks as there are now, but just 9/11 was a few magnitudes more than anything anybody was thinking might happen out of letting the radicalists live their life. So I ( and everybody I have discussed this with ) have figured that there really isn't much that can solve this problem in the forceeble future. ( Well, short of complete genocide - and nobody agrees with that ). Educating the poor SOBs and giving them something to look forward to, arresting and getting rid of the corrupt element and people who take religion and make a cult or a following of their PERSONAL beliefs - that is a long term solution. I personally don't think it's possible to eradicate the problem, but it's possible to contain it.

As far as comrade Putin goes - I think pretty soon you will see some radical changes towards the chechen or arab looking people in all major city. Even currently these people have no biz in the big cities - the local punks let them know that. When I was in Israel in 2000, anybody who was a palestinian needed to have a permit to show up at the city. There were roadblocks at every entrance, and cars were stopped with ALL arab looking people and questioned. Yes, that's pretty drastic - but look at what has been hapenning there for years.

now let me hear the flames :)

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You know, about 6 years ago, I actually had some sympathy for the Chechens... then their resistance was overtaken by more radical islamic arabs, who are drawn to any excuse to kill non-muslims. Since then... 2001 or so ... they have become more of the increasingly large pile of dogshit that plagues our world.

In reading the article, I think it is sad... and in the long-run, self-defeating... that the parents of the kids are immediately blaming Putin and demanding he give into the demands. Yes, I can understand wanting the hostages out at all costs... but 100% of the justified anger needs to be directed at this form of radical islam. An event such as this should be enough to have the world want to destroy this form of zealotry wherever they find it.

Disgusting.

Oh, hello again!

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You know, about 6 years ago, I actually had some sympathy for the Chechens... then their resistance was overtaken by more radical islamic arabs, who are drawn to any excuse to kill non-***
I agree with you. Except that 6 years ago, it was the exact same "Moujahedeen" that were there. It's just our perception of their actions that has drastically changed since 9/11.

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You know, about 6 years ago, I actually had some sympathy for the Chechens... then their resistance was overtaken by more radical islamic arabs, who are drawn to any excuse to kill non-Muslims***

I agree with you. Except that 6 years ago, it was the exact same "Moujahedeen" that were there. It's just our perception of their actions that has drastically changed since 9/11.

The fighters from Afghanistan moved to a number of different places after Russia withdrew its troops. Many of them want nothing more than to -continue- waging war against all non-Muslims.

However, the Chechen resistance has become more like terrorists and less like patriot-soldiers. He was right in saying there was a fundamental change just before them millenium.

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Except that 6 years ago, it was the exact same "Moujahedeen" that were there. It's just our perception of their actions that has drastically changed since 9/11.

Actually, prior to 2000-2001... it was mainly Chechen muslims in a fight with the Russian gov't for an independent state. Since then their ranks have been filled with "arab" fighters that had nothing better to do, many of whom came from Afghanistan. You actually used to be able to see a timeline on their now defunct website, kavkaz.com or qoqaz.net.

There was a definite change in their motivation and strategy as a result of the "arab" muslim presence.

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Parents of the seized children recorded a videocassette appeal Putin to fulfill the terrorists' demands, Khabalova said. The text of the appeal was not immediately available.

As much as I sympathize with these parents, I cannot agree that demands of butchers and psychopaths like these kidnapers should EVER be met in an attempt to liberate hostages. It is unequivocal: when you do that, you tell them to kidnap again the next time they want something -- because they know you'll give it to them, "to save the children!.

And then some of the parents were criticizing the government for not keeping their kids safe. First of all, capitulating to kidnapers will not keep anyone safe in the future; it will endanger them. Second of all, what do they think they government should have been doing, keeping schools under military guard at all times? They would have bitched about that, had it been the policy.

I guess you can write off the parental reactions as hysterics. You don't go to the people who are emotionally affected by an event for advice or a plan on how to handle the event, that much is clear.

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You know, about 6 years ago, I actually had some sympathy for the Chechens... then their resistance was overtaken by more radical islamic arabs, who are drawn to any excuse to kill non-muslims. Since then... 2001 or so ... they have become more of the increasingly large pile of dogshit that plagues our world.

Yes. I'm about over the notion that it is bigoted to say that ISLAM -- its abuse and distortion, I suppose, since everyone says it's a "peaceful" religion -- is the big problem in the world today.

Even practiced in its "peaceful" ways, it is my understanding that it is a religion of inequality (look at how they subjugate women) and dogmatic fundamentalism and restrictiveness. I would even say "backwardness." And when you get people who will go gladly to death fighting to kill "infidels," I think we have reached a point where the world should simply not tolerate radical Islam -- should stamp it out because it is harmful to the entire rest of the world. Why are we mincing around not dealing with this constant deadly threat? I honestly don't see anything wrong with obliterating a bellicose people from the face of the planet, since such a move would be done toward ensuring peace for the rest of us who are not waging a guerrilla war against people who are different just because they don't share our religion. (I myself have NO religion.)

This has to stop, and it sure as hell won't stop with "educating them and showing them a better way," because they insist that their way is the ONLY way. And it won't stop if we give them their own place to live, because they will still see an affront to Allah that their neighbors are unbelievers! And so they will still feel that their god and their religion drives them to exterminate us.

The only way this will stop is when people who WANT to live peacefully and who don't make a practice of intruding on others' lives to kill or change them ERADICATE the ones who DO make a practice of those things. It's called self-defense, people. It's called ensuring your own future.

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UPDATE:

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God be with the parents of those kids. These scumbags are the lowest of the low. Sometimes I think cruel and unusual punishment is justified - and these a-holes make me a staunch supporter of drawing and quartering.

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Yup, but it’s also likely that the Chechens are gonna find themselves in an equally big world of hurt. Terror campaigns damage Western countries because we have rules we have to play by and our leaders have to worry about getting elected the next time round.

Russia’s just likely to bomb the crap out of Chechnya in response to this sort of tactics. Where we respond with arrests, intelligence and surgical strikes, Russia’s likely to respond with a tank Regiment.

You're funny!

Lets have a look at this...

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Russia’s The USA's just likely to bomb the crap out of ChechnyaIraq in response to this sort of tactics.nothing much at all. Where we respond with arrests, (without trail) Mis intelligence and surgical decapitation strikes, Russia’s USA's likely to respond with a tank Regiment. an entire invasion and continuing ocupation.

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I honestly don't see anything wrong with obliterating a bellicose people from the face of the planet,

Are you honestly trying to tell me these are sick terrorists while simultaneously advocating the Genocide of a BILLION people?

Really?

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For what its worth guys, the Russians have been bombing the crap out of Chechenya for quite some time, a pretty decent report on the history of these troubles can be found here..
http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/Chechnya.asp

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One thing that the RIFWs haven't figured out is that the Russians will kill them, and they really don't care how many innocents get killed in the process. Remember the Moscow theater?

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[Tonto 1]

Well... You were 100% right on that one.

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It's the year of the Pig.

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I just checked out the photo essay on FOX's website. Now I think I'm more fucking angered than sickened. I simply cannot believe that anyone possessing the smallest minutia of humanity could harm a child in any manner.

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