christelsabine 1 #26 September 2, 2004 .50 caliber target rifles: "These high-power weapons of war can destroy a helicopter from a mile away!" RC aircraft: "These precision-guided remotely-operated aircraft can deliver a lethal payload of high explosives sufficient to wipe out an elementary school classroom full of children!" Isn't that nice, here comes John Rich again with the absolute necessary information, what it needs "to wipe out an elementary school classroom full of children!" You are the man, the man with the knowledge! Calibres, explosives: Every thread has its direct connections to those details. You will find them, no doubt. Disgusting, especially on present circumstances. Every dollar spent on a useless feelgood security "precaution" is a dollar less that is available for real security. John Rich is right, strange as that may seem *** OK, tried hard but: understoood. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #27 September 6, 2004 QuoteJohn Rich is right... Oh my, that quote from you is one I'll have to remember. Can I bring it back up and remind you of it in the future when you're disagreeing with me on something? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #28 September 6, 2004 QuoteIsn't that nice, here comes John Rich again with the absolute necessary information, what it needs "to wipe out an elementary school classroom full of children!" Disgusting, especially on present circumstances. My message was posted on Sept. 1st. The Russian school children were not killed until days later. Shame on you for presuming that I was intentionally using their death for some kind of political point. You should research the facts before jumping to conclusions against me. You seem to be the person obsessed with explosives and guns. Every time you see my name in some other discussion, you are they one to bring them up. You really should try and get some other hobby besides bashing John Rich for defending gun ownership rights. Or if you're going to make that your hobby, at least come to the forum armed with the facts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #29 September 6, 2004 I'm just surprised they're not investigating US. We all own parachute systems capable of gliding over 20 mi. if we open them high enough, not to mention what a terrorist with a winsuit could do on a nighht dive. That and our easy access to all those twin turbos. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #30 September 6, 2004 Quote Shame on you for presuming that I was intentionally using their death for some kind of political point. You should research the facts before jumping to conclusions against me. Please, do not talk about what I presume, OK? You simply cannot know. But I never would presume something dirty like "....using their death (of children) ...." Oh, go away with that, John Rich. That's absolutely not my style and surely not yours! I wrote: "Under these circumstances..." and my post on that was expressing my opinion of missing some kind of taste/feeling in this moment, the horror with the children had just begun, it was in my eyes tasteless to use such an example. BTW: Even w/o this awful incident in Beslan, I would consider such an "illustration" regarding a school class as tasteless, as well! Explosives and guns? Not my obsession. Yours? Christel dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #31 September 6, 2004 Here is a story that may portend what you could be in for in the future: News Story Where two teenage campers were murdered, gun owners are being visited and asked to account for their guns and their whereabouts. Simply because they happen to be on a government list of gun owners, they have become murder suspects. Likewise, should someone ever use an RC aircraft in a serious crime, I hope that you and all your club members are prepared to account for all of your aircraft, and your whereabouts. Welcome to the government-suspicion club, where everyone is guilty, until they prove themselves innocent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #32 September 6, 2004 QuoteWe all own parachute systems capable of gliding over 20 mi. Wow, my system can do this? Me too? Holy Moses, what a bunch of chances will I have Quotef we open them high enough, not to mention what a terrorist with a winsuit could do on a nighht dive. That and our easy access to all those twin turbos Where's a will, there's a bush... How do I have to understand that one? I'm artless dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,131 #33 September 7, 2004 >Guns are demonized and accused of being able to do things >they can't. RC aircraft are next. I don't think the guns themselves are demonized. Plenty of people go to air shows and see F-16's, and F-16's are surely capable of creating far more death and destruction than a Glock. Yet people do not fear the F-16's that buzz around San Diego all day, because they aren't afraid that a military pilot will have too many beers and destroy an elementary school. Same with RC aircraft; people aren't afraid of Predators, they are afraid of a terrorist with a 1/4 scale DC-3 chock full of C-4 and BB's - even though Predators are _designed_ to be dangerous RC aircraft, and the Tower Hobbies DC-3 isn't. People are afraid of other people, not guns or R/C airplanes. That's the danger in using fear as a political weapon; once you convince people that terrorists are likely to use assault weapons to kill you, it's an easy step to " . . . so let's keep them from getting their hands on any assault weapons" and you have another ineffective assault weapons ban. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #34 September 14, 2004 QuoteWe have to look out for people who spend a lot of money on R/C airplanes, people who have large airplanes capable of carrying payloads, and people who have lots of R/C airplanes. Sounds like most of our members. Also sounds like RON. Then tell them on me. I am not breaking any laws by owning them. I have nothing to fear from them."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #35 September 14, 2004 QuoteThen tell them on me. I am not breaking any laws by owning them. I have nothing to fear from them. Are you telling me that you don't break ANY laws. There's absolutely nothing that the FBI could dig up about you that could lead them to believe that you MIGHT be breakign any laws? Do you really want a gov't agency with a broad history of corruption and violations of civil rights digging deeply into your life because you have an innocent hobby? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #36 September 14, 2004 QuoteAre you telling me that you don't break ANY laws. There's absolutely nothing that the FBI could dig up about you that could lead them to believe that you MIGHT be breakign any laws? Do you really want a gov't agency with a broad history of corruption and violations of civil rights digging deeply into your life because you have an innocent hobby? Oh I am sure if anyone digs hard enough you can find a problem with anyone. But Kallend has his panties in such a twist about losing his model rockets, I would not be suprized if he already didn't call them. At any rate I don't have any C4 around my house so I feel pretty safe."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 644 #37 September 14, 2004 QuoteAt any rate I don't have any C4 around my house so I feel pretty safe yes but the question is do you have an Ammonium nitrate?Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #38 September 14, 2004 or bleach - do you have any bleach? What about Dry Ice? Dry Ice is BAD - MMMMMMMmmmmmkayyyI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #39 September 14, 2004 Quoteyes but the question is do you have an Ammonium nitrate? Nope. Besides an R/C airplane...hell a real airplane say an otter would not be able to carry enough to be a big deal."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #40 September 14, 2004 QuoteGot a letter from the FBI today... So, Kallend, it has been several weeks since you got this letter. Would you care to share with us what your response is going to be? I would be sure to include the fact that the things the FBI considers to be "suspicious" are things which are common to many innocent RC flyers. I'm sure as an experienced RC flyer, you probably have a lot more problems identified which you can point out to the FBI about their scheme. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #41 September 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteGot a letter from the FBI today... So, Kallend, it has been several weeks since you got this letter. Would you care to share with us what your response is going to be? I would be sure to include the fact that the things the FBI considers to be "suspicious" are things which are common to many innocent RC flyers. I'm sure as an experienced RC flyer, you probably have a lot more problems identified which you can point out to the FBI about their scheme. The letter was turned over to the club president, who read it to the members at the last meeting. The consensus is that every member is a terrorist supect according to the criteria given. A good laugh was had by all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #42 September 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteyes but the question is do you have an Ammonium nitrate? Nope. Besides an R/C airplane...hell a real airplane say an otter would not be able to carry enough to be a big deal. Every dollar spent on phony feel-good "security" is a dollar wasted that can't be used for real security.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #43 September 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteAre you telling me that you don't break ANY laws. There's absolutely nothing that the FBI could dig up about you that could lead them to believe that you MIGHT be breakign any laws? Do you really want a gov't agency with a broad history of corruption and violations of civil rights digging deeply into your life because you have an innocent hobby? Oh I am sure if anyone digs hard enough you can find a problem with anyone. But Kallend has his panties in such a twist about losing his model rockets, I would not be suprized if he already didn't call them. At any rate I don't have any C4 around my house so I feel pretty safe. So how's the big Pitts doing? I bet it can carry a load of ANFO.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #44 September 14, 2004 QuoteEvery dollar spent on phony feel-good "security" is a dollar wasted that can't be used for real security. you seem to think that this is just an issue now? The Brady Bill was a waste of time and money as well."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #45 September 14, 2004 QuoteSo how's the big Pitts doing? Throtle servo went out on landing...not enough power to climb well, but to much to land. So I ahd to fly it around till it ran out of gas (20 min) and then dead stick it.... A Pitts does not dead stick well. But it was fine. QuoteI bet it can carry a load of ANFO. I would not bet on it. It might be able to lift 10 more pounds, but it would be out of CG."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #46 September 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteEvery dollar spent on phony feel-good "security" is a dollar wasted that can't be used for real security. you seem to think that this is just an issue now? The Brady Bill was a waste of time and money as well. Did I argue otherwise?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #47 September 14, 2004 QuoteDid I argue otherwise? No, but you argue that Bush is wasting time and money on unneeded BS..But it is clear that the Government has been doing BS like this for hundreds of years. to blame Bush is silly...The problem is Government."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #48 September 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteDid I argue otherwise? No, but you argue that Bush is wasting time and money on unneeded BS..But it is clear that the Government has been doing BS like this for hundreds of years. to blame Bush is silly...The problem is Government. True, but Bush has taken it to exponentially high new levels. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #49 September 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteDid I argue otherwise? No, but you argue that Bush is wasting time and money on unneeded BS..But it is clear that the Government has been doing BS like this for hundreds of years. to blame Bush is silly...The problem is Government. 1.1 MILLION more Government workers since 1999. Bush takes credit for the HUGE expansion of Government (and associated Government problems).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #50 September 14, 2004 QuoteTrue, but Bush has taken it to exponentially high new levels. Really? Bush did it all huh? Wow he does have some power."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
