christelsabine 1 #26 August 31, 2004 Quote Because as I was getting to ready to board the plane at LGA aiport in NY that morning at 8:40, and we were stopped and evacuated and I had to walk through queens only to over a hill and see the TT burning... THen seeing the military might circling over head, I turned to my fiance' and said... "Thank GOD Gore wasn't elected, because I know he wouldn't have the balls to go after those that did this." Probably, I misunderstand something: In same moments when you saw the TTs burnig, your first idea was "Thank God, Gore wasn't elected......" Weird... And means you already knew, only GWB will be able "...to go after those who did this." Weird. At this dreadful day, I saw the report in n-TV, nearly life report (2nd impact) but, of course not like you saw it. My first idea was: OMG! The people! what about the people .... No need to explain further what everybody knows. But ideas about the president (or chancellor)? Never! Where am I wrong? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #27 August 31, 2004 QuoteThen we sent in less troops than their are cops in NYC. And I wonder who is better trained for their specific job? I'm willing to bet the troops that were sent were kinda specialized...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #28 August 31, 2004 QuoteThat's how. My job didn't dictate my first thoughts about the humans that were suffering. Just a different mindset, I suppose. My job was to defend you and everybody else here. It certainly wasn't about the money. From my experience, if you're attacked, you'd better be thinking about the next step before you get yourself wiped out. You can't just sit around licking your wounds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #29 August 31, 2004 Yup, because my first response was anger... Like so many other people. I also felt Gore was the weaker hearted of the two canidates that ran (And I voted for Gore I never expected a war everyone thought things were fine here in the US). I was very glad that GWB was in office, because I was confident that the assholes who did this would soon pay. Oh.... BTW, you try to gather up the military force and move them over to Afganistan in under 2mo .... Good luck !!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #30 August 31, 2004 Quote We know what Bush will do, and even if you don't agree with it, knowing is more comfortable for voters than not knowing. That's more comfortable, for sure! There is a saying here: "A devil you know, anyhow is better than the one, you've got to learn to know.." dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #31 August 31, 2004 Quote"Thank GOD Gore wasn't elected, because I know he wouldn't have the balls to go after those that did this." That's funny, because I thought "Oh Christ, GWB is going to try for a 'quick and decisive response'" it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #32 August 31, 2004 QuoteMy job was to defend you and everybody else here. My job is to make sure that my company has enough money to cover your losses when you lose everything. Don't try to make it sound like your job is more important and humanitarian than mine.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #33 August 31, 2004 Quote Oh.... BTW, you try to gather up the military force and move them over to Afganistan in under 2mo .... Good luck Correction: Not "we" are trying to gather up... The NATO is sending another 5000 soldiers to Afghanistan. Good luck to them! dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #34 August 31, 2004 QuoteQuoteYes...I believe it. I know I was thinking something along those lines when it happened. I said the same thing to my roommate. This was right after the first plane hit and right before the second one hit. Yes I was worried for the folks in NYC, I had 8 friends (Aggies) that worked in that area (they were ok, thank god), but I knew there was nothing I could do for anyone worrying. You're saying that right after the first plane hit, when the rest of us thought it was some terrible accident, you not only knew that it was a terrorist attack, but also that GWB would lead an effective response? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #35 August 31, 2004 QuoteYou're saying that right after the first plane hit, when the rest of us thought it was some terrible accident, you not only knew that it was a terrorist attack, but also that GWB would lead an effective response? Yes, I knew it was a terrorist attack. That was my first thought. How does a passenger plane hit the WTC? After the second plane, did anyone have any questions that it was terrorism? As for Bush's response, I was proud he was our president when he spoke to the country and came to visit NY. He and Giuliani made all of us in NY at the time feel some measure of comfort at the response from the country and the world.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #36 August 31, 2004 Initial news reports were saying that a small passenger plane hit the towers. Reports on FOX were saying it was no larger then a 6-8 passenger plane for a while (I skipped out of class to watch on TV). Then they changed the story to "possibily a larger plane" about that time plane two came into view and hits the second tower. How did a plane hit the Empire State Building in the 30's?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #37 August 31, 2004 QuoteMy job is to make sure that my company has enough money to cover your losses when you lose everything. Don't try to make it sound like your job is more important and humanitarian than mine. You're welcome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #38 August 31, 2004 So it was good speach huh... shucks wish I heard it. Anyone know where I could hear it again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Treejumps 0 #39 August 31, 2004 I know that I was thinking that, along with, thank god that limp wristed mealy mouthed yellow down the back Al Gore is not. Anyone who thinks that Gore would have been the guy to have in charge through that ordeal is kidiing themsleves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #40 August 31, 2004 QuoteAnyone who thinks that Gore would have been the guy to have in charge through that ordeal is kidiing themsleves. What would have been different now if he would've been president? There are even arguments that it may not have happened at all if Gore was president (I'm not arguing that one, I'm just saying...) You will never know if it would've been better or worse with the alternative. Trying to say that you do know for a fact...well, then you are kidding yourself.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #41 August 31, 2004 I'm sure you could probably download a copy of it from the GOP website. Giuliani was just great. The guy is a great orator, but without seeming condescending. McCain is a popular politician, but Giuliani's delivery, and the way he made his case, showed him to be the sharp New York City prosecutor he was. Yeah, Giuliani has some pretty heavy baggage, but nobody has been able to make an issue of it. With Giuliani on the Bush Bandwagon it seems likely that the "undecided"s will swing Bush. I know that Kerry/Edwards must have some hideous October Surprise in store, but by then Kerry may be out of the race completely. Interested to see what Arnold has to say tonight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #42 August 31, 2004 False Memory Syndrome How many of you remember seeing the first plane hit the towers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #43 August 31, 2004 QuoteInitial news reports were saying that a small passenger plane hit the towers. Reports on FOX were saying it was no larger then a 6-8 passenger plane for a while (I skipped out of class to watch on TV). Then they changed the story to "possibily a larger plane" about that time plane two came into view and hits the second tower. How did a plane hit the Empire State Building in the 30's? First of all, if you wewre a witness to it like many of us...we knew it wasn't a "6-8" passenger plane. Secondly, the ATC sistem in the 30's was hardly that of 2001. I just want to remind you there were no computers then. Also it was cloudy when the bomber hit the ESB, and there are no proximity detectors on planes in the 30's ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #44 August 31, 2004 Yeah, except that I was in NY and saw the gigantic fire and destruction. Not to mention that I was on the phone with a friend at the WTC who said it was a big passenger jet. QuoteHow did a plane hit the Empire State Building in the 30's? Low clouds.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #45 August 31, 2004 Quote Secondly, the ATC sistem in the 30's was hardly that of 2001. I just want to remind you there were no computers then. Also it was cloudy when the bomber hit the ESB, and there are no proximity detectors on planes in the 30's The conditions which allowed the B-25 to hit the Empire State Building in 1945 still exist today and it's still a possibility. There is no magic box in any aircraft that I know of that can remove this as a possibility. CFIT happens.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #46 August 31, 2004 QuoteQuote Secondly, the ATC sistem in the 30's was hardly that of 2001. I just want to remind you there were no computers then. Also it was cloudy when the bomber hit the ESB, and there are no proximity detectors on planes in the 30's The conditions which allowed the B-25 to hit the Empire State Building in 1945 still exist today and it's still a possibility. There is no magic box in any aircraft that I know of that can remove this as a possibility. CFIT happens. No, there is no "Magic Box" however there are proximity detector to warn pilots. Also, I am in the industry of ATC at NY Tracon (N90) It is not exactly easy in this day and age to fly into the ESB. There are hight restrictions over the City as well for EWR and LGA approach putting them well above any building in NY. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #47 August 31, 2004 I didn't say it would be easy -- only possible. How many accidents have we seen that seemed absolutely unbelievable? How many airplanes do we know about that have landed at the wrong airport? What if they were flying an approach to a different airport and there just happened to be a building in the way? It's definitely within the realm of possibility. http://www.planecrashinfo.com/unusual.htm http://www.thirdamendment.com/wrongway.htmlquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #48 August 31, 2004 I believe this is the link to the speech right here. Thanks Duece! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #49 August 31, 2004 Quote I believe this is the link to the speech right here I took the pleasure to print this speech for friends, to sit relaxed and enjoy: Already the first sentence made me ROLF: Welcome to the capital of the world Megalomania or what ? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #50 August 31, 2004 QuoteWelcome to the capital of the world Megalomania or what ? Naw, hyperbole. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
